Lets Be Honest About Praying

[falcon9]

These remain unsupported, (and therefore, false), claims.

AMEN.....abrupt.........AMEN......Prayer is powerful....I know from experience alone...

I have seen how powerful prayer is, too.  I've experienced answers to prayers, myself.   

James 5:16

King James Version (KJV)

16 "Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

[jcribb16]

These remain unsupported, (and therefore, false), claims.

AMEN.....abrupt.........AMEN......Prayer is powerful....I know from experience alone...

I have seen how powerful prayer is, too.  I've experienced answers to prayers, myself.   

James 5:16

King James Version (KJV)

16 "Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

Were you there when these prayers were asked and answered?  No.  Do you understand, as a believer, how powerful prayer is?  No.  Then you are incorrect for calling them false claims.  You can deem them that, since you are definitely entitled to your opinions, but unless you can say you were there and saw no proof, then what you are saying is simply an assessment, not an assertion.  You have no verifiable fact that I did not receive an answer to prayer, including how it was prayed for, and how it was answered.  So, with that, I refute your "false" claim and do not accept it as proof.

[falcon9]

Were you there when these prayers were asked and answered?  No. 

Was any verifiable evidence presented to support the claim?  No.  Then it's an empty/false claim.

Do you understand, as a believer, how powerful prayer is?  No. 

"Belief", (a contention which specifically Lacks evidence), is not equivalent to a contention supported by tangible evidence rather than a specious attribution to supernatural 'causes/effects'.

... unless you can say you were there and saw no proof, then what you are saying is simply an assessment, not an assertion.

Once again, clinging irrationally to such a logical fallacy does not advance a rational refutation, (perhaps it is believed to advance an irrational one, however).  To reiterate that point; you xtians are the ones making the INITIAL claim that "prayer" is in any way effective.  Those who challenge such initial claims by requesting evidence to support them are not required to 'prove a negative assertion'.

You have no verifiable fact that I did not receive an answer to prayer, including how it was prayed for, and how it was answered.  So, with that, I refute your "false" claim and do not accept it as proof.

Obviously, you do not have a form grasp of logic or how rational arguments work, (as shown by your use of irrational arguments and logical fallacies).

[jcribb16]

Were you there when these prayers were asked and answered?  No. 

Was any verifiable evidence presented to support the claim?  No.  Then it's an empty/false claim.

Do you understand, as a believer, how powerful prayer is?  No. 

"Belief", (a contention which specifically Lacks evidence), is not equivalent to a contention supported by tangible evidence rather than a specious attribution to supernatural 'causes/effects'.

... unless you can say you were there and saw no proof, then what you are saying is simply an assessment, not an assertion.

Once again, clinging irrationally to such a logical fallacy does not advance a rational refutation, (perhaps it is believed to advance an irrational one, however).  To reiterate that point; you xtians are the ones making the INITIAL claim that "prayer" is in any way effective.  Those who challenge such initial claims by requesting evidence to support them are not required to 'prove a negative assertion'.

You have no verifiable fact that I did not receive an answer to prayer, including how it was prayed for, and how it was answered.  So, with that, I refute your "false" claim and do not accept it as proof.

Obviously, you do not have a form grasp of logic or how rational arguments work, (as shown by your use of irrational arguments and logical fallacies).

Your deflection isn't working on me.  Since you do not have a form grasp of the power of prayer as a believer, you are trying to speak of something you are not familiar with.  You are on the "outside" of things with that, and so there is no way you can, yourself, rationally argue about prayer.  Unless you experience it yourself, and accept it as proof, you will never know with certainty how prayer does work.  I have experienced it myself - and you can refute that all you want - it does not change the fact that I did, indeed, experience answers to prayers, especially when based upon specific requests that only He could answer.  Of course, that's not proof for you, nor logical for you, because you were not there to see any of it.  And as an unbeliever, you choose not to accept that.  But for me, it did and does happen, and it is, indeed, logical and true.

[falcon9]

Were you there when these prayers were asked and answered?  No. 

Was any verifiable evidence presented to support the claim?  No.  Then it's an empty/false claim.

Do you understand, as a believer, how powerful prayer is?  No. 

"Belief", (a contention which specifically Lacks evidence), is not equivalent to a contention supported by tangible evidence rather than a specious attribution to supernatural 'causes/effects'.

... unless you can say you were there and saw no proof, then what you are saying is simply an assessment, not an assertion.

Once again, clinging irrationally to such a logical fallacy does not advance a rational refutation, (perhaps it is believed to advance an irrational one, however).  To reiterate that point; you xtians are the ones making the INITIAL claim that "prayer" is in any way effective.  Those who challenge such initial claims by requesting evidence to support them are not required to 'prove a negative assertion'.

You have no verifiable fact that I did not receive an answer to prayer, including how it was prayed for, and how it was answered.  So, with that, I refute your "false" claim and do not accept it as proof.

Obviously, you do not have any form of grasp of logic or how rational arguments work, (as shown by your use of irrational arguments and logical fallacies).

Your deflection isn't working on me.

The refutation wasn't a "deflection" since it directly refuted your logical fallacy. Conversely, your own attempts to deflect attention away from your failure to provide evidence to support your contentions/claims regarding "prayer" remain speciously-empty declarations. 

You are on the "outside" of things with that, and so there is no way you can, yourself, rationally argue about prayer.  

This is essentially contending that, unless one allows themselves to become mind-blinded by 'faith', one cannot determine that faith-based nonsense such as "prayer" is irrational.  That's your irrational position in a literal 'nutshell'.

[kjones22]

Yes, I do pray from pple when I tell them i'm going to but it's hard to keep praying from someone one day and keep praying  for them because everyday we come across someone in need of prayer.

[mpedersen]

My only opinion on praying is that WAY to many people do most of their praying on Sunday... which is supposed to be "god"'s day off. Imagine the Monday he/she comes into the office too... lol

[hiscountrygirl09]

That's a tough one. I say my prayers every night and I ask for guidance and sometimes it feels like it helps and others I just throw in the towel. I'm personally on the fence about this one. I do believe in a higher power and that I will have to answer to him one day but now i just seek advice from the wise people in my life and that always helps.

[graveyardmaiden]

You cant be a parasite christian.( u cant expect to get to heaven by someone else s prayers) u can only get to heaven if u pray believe repent and get baptized . Dont feel bad that u dont pray for them every day cause god knows the desires of ur heart. The thing u should be worried about is making disciples  for jesus and strengthening the kingdom of god. God loves you regardless if u miss a day of prayer prayer is the way we talk to jesus/ god. 

[falcon9]

You cant be a parasite christian ... The thing u should be worried about is making disciples  for jesus and strengthening the kingdom of god. 

It is unreasonable to believe that evangelical xtians can use this site to proselytize without opposition to proselytizing superstitious religious beliefs. While such evangelizing is not prohibited by FC, neither are posts opposing it, (there's no 'free pass' which disallows opposition).

“You can not convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it is based on a deep-seated need to believe.”
-– Carl Sagan

[visvern]

  i never say it because i did not believe it. pray all you want it does no good anyway.

[Abrupt]

You cant be a parasite christian ... The thing u should be worried about is making disciples  for jesus and strengthening the kingdom of god. 

It is unreasonable to believe that evangelical xtians can use this site to proselytize without opposition to proselytizing superstitious religious beliefs. While such evangelizing is not prohibited by FC, neither are posts opposing it, (there's no 'free pass' which disallows opposition).

“You can not convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it is based on a deep-seated need to believe.”
-– Carl Sagan

I have seen few posts that could be remotely considered as proselytizing and I would doubt you could find any to source in your claim.  What I have seen, though, is your repeated attacks upon those of religious beliefs that you do not espouse.  You are so intolerant of any beliefs that are not the same as yours that you would attempt to cause increased or prolonged agony and suffering upon those that you know are in need or in pain or in turmoil.  This is made clearly evident in prayer requests where you feel an irrational compulsion to -- instead of offering kind words or sympathy -- cause them to dwell on the possibilities of a continued suffering.  Your irrational use of ad hominem to attempt to discredit any posts or comments by those that do not share your beliefs is frequently evident -- and you do this regardless of whether the subject matter even involves religions content or not (and this act alone shows your prejudice and bias and not some simple position of 'opposition).  You are so blinded by your beliefs that you cannot even see just how you actually are what you accuse others of and this is psychologically known as 'denial'.

[falcon9]

I have seen few posts that could be remotely considered as proselytizing and I would doubt you could find any to source in your claim. 

That's because you are blinded by your religious faith.  There are literally hundreds of such religious proselytizing posts archived on FC.

You are so blinded by your beliefs ...

Only the irrational illogic of a mind-blinded religious fundie would try to redefine logic and rationality as "beliefs".

”When I point out fallacies in religious logic, adherents tell me that the human brain cannot comprehend G-d. They also tell me that G-d created the human brain. G-d is clearly inept.”
--– Matthew Benjamin Smith

[jcribb16]

You cant be a parasite christian ... The thing u should be worried about is making disciples  for jesus and strengthening the kingdom of god. 

It is unreasonable to believe that evangelical xtians can use this site to proselytize without opposition to proselytizing superstitious religious beliefs. While such evangelizing is not prohibited by FC, neither are posts opposing it, (there's no 'free pass' which disallows opposition).

“You can not convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it is based on a deep-seated need to believe.”
-– Carl Sagan

I have seen few posts that could be remotely considered as proselytizing and I would doubt you could find any to source in your claim.  What I have seen, though, is your repeated attacks upon those of religious beliefs that you do not espouse.  You are *so intolerant of any beliefs that are not the same as yours that you would attempt to cause increased or prolonged agony and suffering upon those that you know are in need or in pain or in turmoil.  *This is made clearly evident in prayer requests where you feel an irrational compulsion to -- instead of offering kind words or sympathy -- cause them to dwell on the possibilities of a continued suffering.  Your irrational use of ad hominem to attempt to discredit any posts or comments by those that do not share your beliefs is frequently evident -- and you do this regardless of whether the subject matter even involves religions content or not (and this act alone shows your prejudice and bias and not some simple position of 'opposition).  You are so blinded by your beliefs that you cannot even see just how you actually are what you accuse others of and this is psychologically known as 'denial'.

The *bold/underlined parts are written by you so much better than how I could have worded them. 

[falcon9]

The *bold/underlined parts are written by you so much better than how I could have worded them. 

Those words of his constitute falsehoods/lies since I have posted non-religious/non-prayer 'positive' suggestions along with other posts indicating a disregard for specious intercessory magical rituals, ("prayers").