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sigmapi1501

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ONE reason and I may change my mind.
« on: December 14, 2011, 06:44:06 pm »
I happen to believe that it is gross that gay couples are not allowed to get married.

If anyone can tell me a good reason, WITHOUT REFERENCING "THE BIBLE", I might try and see things your way. 

Your religious beliefs are fine. We have separation of church and state in America. Should churches be forced to allow Gay marriages? Absolutely not in my opinion. But why are there laws against it?

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Re: ONE reason and I may change my mind.
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2011, 07:24:15 pm »
I happen to believe that it is gross that gay couples are not allowed to get married.

If anyone can tell me a good reason, WITHOUT REFERENCING "THE BIBLE", I might try and see things your way. 

Your religious beliefs are fine. We have separation of church and state in America. Should churches be forced to allow Gay marriages? Absolutely not in my opinion. But why are there laws against it?

I wouldn't object to them having the ability to get some legal union with a name other than 'marriage' that bestowed upon them the same considerations that a marriage receives but I am entirely against the idea if they insist on uses the term 'marriage'  It disgusts me at the extent people are trying to go to pervert our traditions and beliefs and simply for their own petty demands of some imagined inequality.  If anyone applied honest scrutiny it would be readily apparent that there is no inequality, only an inability for those petty ones to meet the minimum requirements for the test they so adamantly wish to now redefine because of their innate disqualifications.

Drop the term marriage for this and I will not stand in the way (even though I don't particularly support it).  Insist that the name is absolutely necessary though and you will draw my ire and will reveal what the true purpose of the demand is about.
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Re: ONE reason and I may change my mind.
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2011, 09:50:45 pm »
So the reason two loving people can't be married is that it grosses you out?

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Re: ONE reason and I may change my mind.
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2011, 11:40:01 pm »
I don't have a reason why to same sex people should not marry.  You don't what a reson  on the bible, but when you get married the person marring you uses the bible to marry you if you look at it that way than then they shouldn't use it to get married
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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2011, 01:14:58 am »
So the reason two loving people can't be married is that it grosses you out?

If you are speaking to me I never used the term 'gross', but you did, so don't try to pin me as the villain based upon your prejudices or desired to feel discriminated against.  Marriage has nothing at all to do with love, strictly speaking, so you cannot qualify it as any sort of test.  If two men or two women want to get 'smaried' or 'irramed' or 'farried' or whatever other word you want to call it other than 'married' I would not object, although you wouldn't find me advocating actively for it.  I don't like to see words become generic as they become stripped of any value in so doing.  My car is a car and my truck is a truck and if they could be used interchangeably then the value and distinction of them is greatly lessened.
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« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2011, 09:57:23 am »
I think marriage is completely unnecessary, but there are some people, both straight and gay, who believe its something special. If straight people can get married, gay people should be allowed to do it as well.

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« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2011, 02:44:30 pm »
i don't agree with the gay people can get married it is not there fault the world we live in can not get there heads wrapped around the thing about marriage or even kids in a gay relationships  there to many people that should get out of the stone age and come into the real world and i am not gay but i do have a number of friends that are

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« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2011, 05:31:41 pm »
I think it's ridiculous that this same sex marriage is still illegal. You can't deny someones rights because of their sexuality. Besides, the only logic that can be used to defend the laws prohibiting gay marriage is quoting the bible; and the mixing of politics and religion is illegal because of religious freedom in the US.

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« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2011, 06:41:24 pm »
Well this subject's sometime's not an easy topic for everybody. My understanding is that everybody has a choice to love anyone they choose. If you don't agree with the same gender relationships, that's ok cause you don't have to be like them. Just stay away from these kind of people. I think if they want to get married then let them. That doesn't mean some people don't like it. I hope this help's! :wave:
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« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2011, 06:43:35 pm »
Government should stay out of the people's private lives. One of the reasons America's in the *bleep* hole is because congress can't focus on what is important like the economy.If we didn't have this predj against Gay/lesbians, we could have gotten started working on the economy earlier.Government stay out citizens' private lives. They have no right to dictate who a person can love or not love straight or gay.As for bible refs, there many evidence of gay interactions in the bible. We like to think that everything in life is black & white w/out any gray in betwn. In a world of antigay/gay phobic people, why would some1 wake up 1day & decide to be Gay?I don't think being gay or not is a choice.There's research indicating that an increase#of gays were reported who were conceived or born during WW2. Suggesting that during development the stresses of the time could have altered chemicals.Switches that are suppose to stop didn't stop estrogen/hormones set out continue on when it's suppose to have shut off. This is also true in nature.EX: A type of fish; if the male fish dies out, the alpha female will literally turn into a male fish.Star fish, the male carries the eggs but should the female die the male starfish will b/come female. So, I think gay, straight,lesbian,or bi:every1 should have the right to marry.Marriage is a priv. not a right as some straight people tend to abuse it as they please.Like that *bleep* Kim K. how many hrs did her (Million $$$$)marriage last? :bootyshake: :male: :female: :female: :male: :female: :male: :male: :female: :female: :wave:

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« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2011, 06:49:08 pm »
Because I absolutely enjoy playing devil's advocate, here goes.  I can see a couple logical arguments against it - 1) Legalizing gay marriage messes up the way insurance, taxation, and other legal processes work.  2) It changes the actual definition of marriage, which is defined as being between a man and a woman.

That being said, I agree with you that it should be legalized.

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« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2011, 08:26:53 pm »
I dont have a reason it annoys when people say that having gay people get married will ruin the sacredness of marriage but how sacred is it to us straight people anyway have the marriages in divorce ,several people get married for money,status, or cause of thier children.Why are people against love if two people love each other then who cares
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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2011, 09:40:52 pm »
Marriage has nothing at all to do with love so remove that from any argument you make.  You can love without marriage and sometimes it is even easier to do so as marriage involves many other aspects.  You can marry without love.  The only instances I know of relating love to marriage, particularly, are religious and since most of you disqualify that as an argument you disqualify your reasons by discrediting your own supporting arguments.  If love is the only qualifier then I want to marry the concept of "a challenge" as I love a challenge.

Once again I do not support gay marriage (since it impossible by the definition of marriage as pointed out by sdecaro558), just as I don't support flying submarines or short ranged long ranged bombers, or any other manner of terms that don't fit the definition that is trying to be applied to them.  If you want to have some form of gay union and call it something other than marriage then have at it.
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Re: ONE reason and I may change my mind.
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2011, 11:52:07 am »
Because I absolutely enjoy playing devil's advocate, here goes.  I can see a couple logical arguments against it - 1) Legalizing gay marriage messes up the way insurance, taxation, and other legal processes work.  2) It changes the actual definition of marriage, which is defined as being between a man and a woman.

as for number 1.. how so?

Number 2... Here is webster's definition:
a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage>

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« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2011, 12:35:54 pm »
I believe that the reason that the term "marriage" is being pushed is because that with the current domestic partnership laws that we have right now insurance companies and other companies that provide benefits can essentially deny people coverage because they are not "married". It is much easier to discriminate against a smaller population based on language. The benefits of a domestic partnership and a marriage are supposed to be equal but due to loopholes caused by the antiquated language of our laws it is not equal and largely due to the very vocal opinions of the religious sect this outright discrimination is sadly allowed to continue. I'm sure that if the language of the law was changed so that domestic partnerships were IN TRUTH equal to marriage with  regard to benefits that the push for the wording would be dropped because it would cease to be significant.

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