there is no god?

[falcon9]

I never claimed to possess any "spiritual sense", leastwise not anything that is unique to me -- and by that I mean that I believe there is a spiritual attribute of being human in as much as there is the physical and psychological.

A 'belief' that there is some "spiritual sense" or "attribute" is not equivalent to the existence of such a sense.  Especially when no substantive evidence is offered to support such a belief.  Then again, aren't beliefs that which has no supportive evidence?

Mr Maher should not be considered as authoritative on things dealing with God or spirituality, regardless of what amount of wisdom people wish to attribute to him.  The reasonable person would immediately detect that he is extremely biased against religion to such a degree that any statements he puts forth on the matter should be considered as suspect by default.

Although I noticed the subtopic of Mr. Maher's stance on the matter, I can recognise the reasoning employed, (notwithstanding considering him as an 'authority' on the subject, anymore than a catholic bishop would be an unbiased 'authority' of the subject of theology).  That said, there is an inherent degree of bias in arguing 'for' unsubstantiated beliefs held by the one arguing for them which isn't neessarily present in those who are requesting some substantiation of such claims.  The difference being that I'm not claiming to have some aambiguous sense which allows me to perceive bulls***; I'm using logic and reasoning there.

[webmasterdn]

Believing in something good is what kept this society sane. Yet that's not working well these days with soo many violence. God was supposed to be a symbol of hope. Like how for kids it's Santa Clause.

[abdyer2001]

lol, with this topic the comparison of god and santa claus fits well.. 

[Abrupt]

I never claimed to possess any "spiritual sense", leastwise not anything that is unique to me -- and by that I mean that I believe there is a spiritual attribute of being human in as much as there is the physical and psychological.

A 'belief' that there is some "spiritual sense" or "attribute" is not equivalent to the existence of such a sense.  Especially when no substantive evidence is offered to support such a belief.  Then again, aren't beliefs that which has no supportive evidence?

Mr Maher should not be considered as authoritative on things dealing with God or spirituality, regardless of what amount of wisdom people wish to attribute to him.  The reasonable person would immediately detect that he is extremely biased against religion to such a degree that any statements he puts forth on the matter should be considered as suspect by default.

Although I noticed the subtopic of Mr. Maher's stance on the matter, I can recognise the reasoning employed, (notwithstanding considering him as an 'authority' on the subject, anymore than a catholic bishop would be an unbiased 'authority' of the subject of theology).  That said, there is an inherent degree of bias in arguing 'for' unsubstantiated beliefs held by the one arguing for them which isn't neessarily present in those who are requesting some substantiation of such claims.  The difference being that I'm not claiming to have some aambiguous sense which allows me to perceive bulls***; I'm using logic and reasoning there.

Is it your intention to be rude in your above reply or is it just so natural to you that you don't even realize it?  Also, for the second time I didn't claim to have "some ambiguous sense" so in addition to using "logic and reasoning" why don't you also use your eyes and read what I post instead of imagining some post does not exist.  I have overly strained myself to be civil with you, yet you press at nearly every opportunity to be pompous and rude and that isn't a quality that someone who is truly interested in intelligent debate would display.

[falcon9]

Is it your intention to be rude in your above reply or is it just so natural to you that you don't even realize it?

In this particular instance, I was being intentionally "rude", (or, 'abrupt'), in order to emphasize the difference between sensory information which has evidential basis and theoretically ambiguous senses.  Additionally, the false dichotomy of comparing biases was exasperating enough to cause a slight annoyance. I have a great deal of patience however, it isn't 'infinite'.

Also, for the second time I didn't claim to have "some ambiguous sense" so in addition to using "logic and reasoning" why don't you also use your eyes and read what I post instead of imagining some post does not exist.

I did indeed read your posts wherein you proposed an ambiguous sense, (termed a "spiritual sense", still undefined).  The reasoning used was that you posited a theoretical "sense" and further suggested that this "sense" allows you to perceive 'something' which those without that hypothetical "sense" cannot.  This is directly from your posts, not my 'imagination'.  Message ID$449189 & ID#449183.

I have overly strained myself to be civil with you, yet you press at nearly every opportunity to be pompous and rude and that isn't a quality that someone who is truly interested in intelligent debate would display.

Having also made the effort to be civil in responding to some of your posts, (the vegetarian thread, for instance), instead of pressing "at nearly every opportunity to be pompous and rude", I disagree with your assessment.  Conversely, when there are points of contention, I have posted the content of my dissent in the form of a debate.  Subjectively-biased characterizations such as "pompous and rude" nominally reflect more of a personal opinion than fact however, I did state that a moment of exasperation elicited an instance of what can be deemed to be rudeness.  This is not indicative of constituting "nearly every opportunity to be pompous and rude", however.

As for the context of this 'debate'; no objective evidence has been presented to support a hypothetical "spiritual sense" thusfar.  Have you got any or, was this intended to be solely a 'thought experiment'?

[ashleyxatrocity]

For those that do not believe at all, I propose to you an experiment - of sorts.  Make a request either in your head or vocal, it doesn't matter.  Call it a prayer, or not, again it doesn't matter.  You need to be sincere in this request, but you don't have to prostrate yourself or utter biblical passages.  Ask something along the lines of "If there is a God, would you reveal yourself to me?".

Done. Nothing out of the ordinary has occurred. I've had people tell me to do it before and I obliged them, but still...nothing.

[falcon9]

For those that do not believe at all, I propose to you an experiment - of sorts.  Make a request either in your head or vocal, it doesn't matter.  Call it a prayer, or not, again it doesn't matter.  You need to be sincere in this request, but you don't have to prostrate yourself or utter biblical passages.  Ask something along the lines of "If there is a God, would you reveal yourself to me?".

Done. Nothing out of the ordinary has occurred. I've had people tell me to do it before and I obliged them, but still...nothing.

So, what we've got as results which, (even without tabulating _all_ participants in the sample), either inaccurately attribute 'any' results to a hypothetically supernatural source or, no attributible results.  The rational conclusion drawn from such a sampling is that a sample of those who can accurately, (with substantive evidence in lieu of 'faith'), attribute the results of the 'experiment' to some deity are glaringly absent. 

[iniquitousdoll]

There is no God. All the wonders around us are accidental.
No Almighty hand made a thousand-billion stars.
They made themselves.
No power keeps them on their steady course.
The earth spins itself to keep the oceans from falling off, towards the sun.

Infants teach themselves to cry when they are hungry or hurt.

A small flower invented itself so that we could extract digitalis, for sick hearts.
The earth gave itself day and night, tilted itself so that we get seasons.

Without magnetic poles, man would be unable to navigate the trackless oceans of water and air,
but they just grew there.
How about the sugar thermostat in the pancreas?
It maintains a level of sugar in blood sufficient for energy.
Without it, all of us would fall into coma and die.
Why does snow sit on mountain-tops, waiting for the warm spring sun to melt it, at just the right time for young crops in the farm below to drink?

A very beautiful accident?
The human heart will beat for 70 to 80 years, without faltering.
How does it get sufficient rest between beats?
A kidney will filter poison from the blood, and leave good thing alone. How does it know one from the other?
Who gave the human tongue flexibility to form words, and a brain to understand them, but denied it to all other animals?
Who showed a womb how to take the love of two people, and keep splitting tiny ovum until,
in a time,a baby would have the proper number of fingers, eyes,�ears and hair in all�the right places, and come into the world when it is strong enough to sustain life?
There is no God?......Really?

I hope you write professional becaue if you do I would read what you write, but I believe that there is a god for all to pray to for help in all that we do every day and night on this earth.

[eman27]

You don't believe in God and that's perfectly fine but I have a wonderful God and He is amazing!!!

[falcon9]

You don't believe in God and that's perfectly fine but I have a wonderful God and He is amazing!!!

I doubt you can back up your claim, can you?

[remediagirl]

God loves us all whether we believe in him or not. 

[falcon9]

God loves us all whether we believe in him or not.   

Is that why Mary didn't sue for child support?

[dguernsey1]

Some of you are so PUFFED UP on what you think is human knowledge..God is omnipresent ..He was, is and always will be. How about..."GOD" acually created the big bang himself....ummm, what a concept..

[dguernsey1]

i would welcome the one with the senses to detect to create a show that would prove anything.. the existence of the ark.  woman being created from the rib of the first man..  i would love to see that persons perspective.. but dont look for that to happen anytime soon...

Try watching some history channle  or nat geo! There ARE real facts, and proof!

[dguernsey1]

You don't believe in God and that's perfectly fine but I have a wonderful God and He is amazing!!!

I hope your not referring to me....the weiter....this post is about my belief, love and faith in god!