Faith

[SurveyMack10]

I would say that you have been very clear and straightforward with your response here.

Your opinion isn't surprising in this context, especially given your suspension of debating another subject in another thread.

I'll just say that 2 others, Falconer and Jordandog, have already hinted at how you two have gone round and round until it's ceased to be a debate.  I said what I did to SurveyMack, backing her up that she was agreeing to disagree with you, gave her reasons, and looked to be trying to let it go. I was also agreeing with Falconer and Jordandog that, in my words, "enough is enough."  You, however, came right back at her and continued this merry-go-round.  I don't care to get into with you about your response in regards to my opinion, because I don't care to get on the merry-go-round with you about just exactly what you were trying to imply.

I agree with this completely. I feel like no matter how many times I try to end the conversation and keep it on a somewhat mature note another issue gets drug up so that it will continue, and I know that if I leave any matter hanging and dont refute the attacks then the next time we are even in a debate I will be accused of "dodging." And the random attack at you just now was totally unwarranted especially considering all you did was say that my post was clearly stated.

I wish I had initially responded as you did here by clearly saying you did not want to enter into the conversation!

[SurveyMack10]

I would say that you have been very clear and straightforward with your response here.

Your opinion isn't surprising in this context, especially given your suspension of debating another subject in another thread.

I'll just say that 2 others, Falconer and Jordandog, have already hinted at how you two have gone round and round until it's ceased to be a debate.  I said what I did to SurveyMack, backing her up that she was agreeing to disagree with you, gave her reasons, and looked to be trying to let it go. I was also agreeing with Falconer and Jordandog that, in my words, "enough is enough."  You, however, came right back at her and continued this merry-go-round.  I don't care to get into with you about your response in regards to my opinion, because I don't care to get on the merry-go-round with you about just exactly what you were trying to imply.

Also, we are not required to debate anything with anyone...just because we post an opinion doesn't mean we have to justify it to anyone else. So the remark made about a subject on another thread really isn't relevant and I wish I had been as wise as you by realizing that some conversations/confrontations will never end...

[jcribb16]

I would say that you have been very clear and straightforward with your response here.

Your opinion isn't surprising in this context, especially given your suspension of debating another subject in another thread.

I'll just say that 2 others, Falconer and Jordandog, have already hinted at how you two have gone round and round until it's ceased to be a debate.  I said what I did to SurveyMack, backing her up that she was agreeing to disagree with you, gave her reasons, and looked to be trying to let it go. I was also agreeing with Falconer and Jordandog that, in my words, "enough is enough."  You, however, came right back at her and continued this merry-go-round.  I don't care to get into with you about your response in regards to my opinion, because I don't care to get on the merry-go-round with you about just exactly what you were trying to imply.

Also, we are not required to debate anything with anyone...just because we post an opinion doesn't mean we have to justify it to anyone else. So the remark made about a subject on another thread really isn't relevant and I wish I had been as wise as you by realizing that some conversations/confrontations will never end...

True, but when the debate first started between the two of you, you had no idea where it was headed at that point.  You were just debating, giving opinion, and rebutting - nothing wrong with that!

[SurveyMack10]

I would say that you have been very clear and straightforward with your response here.

Your opinion isn't surprising in this context, especially given your suspension of debating another subject in another thread.

I'll just say that 2 others, Falconer and Jordandog, have already hinted at how you two have gone round and round until it's ceased to be a debate.  I said what I did to SurveyMack, backing her up that she was agreeing to disagree with you, gave her reasons, and looked to be trying to let it go. I was also agreeing with Falconer and Jordandog that, in my words, "enough is enough."  You, however, came right back at her and continued this merry-go-round.  I don't care to get into with you about your response in regards to my opinion, because I don't care to get on the merry-go-round with you about just exactly what you were trying to imply.

Also, we are not required to debate anything with anyone...just because we post an opinion doesn't mean we have to justify it to anyone else. So the remark made about a subject on another thread really isn't relevant and I wish I had been as wise as you by realizing that some conversations/confrontations will never end...

True, but when the debate first started between the two of you, you had no idea where it was headed at that point.  You were just debating, giving opinion, and rebutting - nothing wrong with that!

True! But I have been in debates with this person before so I should have known better haha, fool me twice shame on me! I just get caught up and it gets to a point where there are so many hateful things being said that it's hard not to be hateful back, and that really isn't what I want to do here.

[falcon9]

Once again, just because I choose to put faith in the existence of God does not mean I'm claiming it as fact.

Then the remaining inherent implication is that your "faith" is in something with no factual existence.

[jcribb16]

I would say that you have been very clear and straightforward with your response here.

Your opinion isn't surprising in this context, especially given your suspension of debating another subject in another thread.

I'll just say that 2 others, Falconer and Jordandog, have already hinted at how you two have gone round and round until it's ceased to be a debate.  I said what I did to SurveyMack, backing her up that she was agreeing to disagree with you, gave her reasons, and looked to be trying to let it go. I was also agreeing with Falconer and Jordandog that, in my words, "enough is enough."  You, however, came right back at her and continued this merry-go-round.  I don't care to get into with you about your response in regards to my opinion, because I don't care to get on the merry-go-round with you about just exactly what you were trying to imply.

Also, we are not required to debate anything with anyone...just because we post an opinion doesn't mean we have to justify it to anyone else. So the remark made about a subject on another thread really isn't relevant and I wish I had been as wise as you by realizing that some conversations/confrontations will never end...

True, but when the debate first started between the two of you, you had no idea where it was headed at that point.  You were just debating, giving opinion, and rebutting - nothing wrong with that!

True! But I have been in debates with this person before so I should have known better haha, fool me twice shame on me! I just get caught up and it gets to a point where there are so many hateful things being said that it's hard not to be hateful back, and that really isn't what I want to do here.

As long as I've known you, I know that isn't your intention.  Those things sometimes kind of jump out at you and have you ensnared before you know it.  Even so, I haven't seen anything ugly spewing from you!

[falcon9]

Once again, just because I choose to put faith in the existence of God does not mean I'm claiming it as fact.
I never said God's existence was fact. It is my choice to put my faith in his being real.
I don't owe you any proof of his existence, because I never claimed his existence was a fact.

As previously stated several times, (and just as often ignored by you); either your belief is in something which is real or, unreal.  Recently however, you directly claimed that your "belief itself IS God".  These are your unaltered words.  Prior to that interesting and unsupported claim, you'd claimed that your belief had nothing to do with whether or not "god was real" and that you were trying to shift emphasis onto your "belief" being real, (by way of stating that this is your belief and therefore, that your belief was real ... a good example of circular reasoning but, I disgress).  Taken together, these claims of yours are that, since your "belief is real and the belief itself IS God" = a claim that god is real.


Now, you've already done that dance around to avoid the inherent alternatives that, either your "belief" is in something real/extant or, it is in something unreal/imagined.  Whether you explicitly state this or not, those are the subsequently inherent alternatives implicit in your contention.

 

[jcribb16]

And I still notice he hasn't let go and moved on, lol!  Some people just enjoy going in circles, I guess.

[falcon9]

I'll just say that 2 others, Falconer and Jordandog, have already hinted at how you two have gone round and round until it's ceased to be a debate.

It ceased to be a "debate" the moment 'SurveyMack10' ceased debating; I'd been debating up to and through her diversions, (as the record of posts upthread shows).  Although we both participated in her initiated diversions, I did keep bringing the originally disputed point back to the fore; namely, her contended opinion that "atheism is a belief system".  That contention has been shown to be devoid of substantiating evidence and therefore, empty.

I said what I did to SurveyMack, backing her up that she was agreeing to disagree with you, gave her reasons, and looked to be trying to let it go. I was also agreeing with Falconer and Jordandog that, in my words, "enough is enough."  You, however, came right back at her and continued this merry-go-round.

More accurately, I declined to "agree to disagree" and reiterated that she failedd to support her contended assertion.

I don't care to get into with you about your response in regards to my opinion, because I don't care to get on the merry-go-round with you about just exactly what you were trying to imply.

I'll tell you this much, no "random attack" was made nor, implied.  The intent was that, as a xtian believer, you'd have a strong inclination to agree with another one, (rather than with an opposing viewpoint), and that bias is inherent.

[SurveyMack10]

I would say that you have been very clear and straightforward with your response here.

Your opinion isn't surprising in this context, especially given your suspension of debating another subject in another thread.

I'll just say that 2 others, Falconer and Jordandog, have already hinted at how you two have gone round and round until it's ceased to be a debate.  I said what I did to SurveyMack, backing her up that she was agreeing to disagree with you, gave her reasons, and looked to be trying to let it go. I was also agreeing with Falconer and Jordandog that, in my words, "enough is enough."  You, however, came right back at her and continued this merry-go-round.  I don't care to get into with you about your response in regards to my opinion, because I don't care to get on the merry-go-round with you about just exactly what you were trying to imply.

Also, we are not required to debate anything with anyone...just because we post an opinion doesn't mean we have to justify it to anyone else. So the remark made about a subject on another thread really isn't relevant and I wish I had been as wise as you by realizing that some conversations/confrontations will never end...

True, but when the debate first started between the two of you, you had no idea where it was headed at that point.  You were just debating, giving opinion, and rebutting - nothing wrong with that!

True! But I have been in debates with this person before so I should have known better haha, fool me twice shame on me! I just get caught up and it gets to a point where there are so many hateful things being said that it's hard not to be hateful back, and that really isn't what I want to do here.

As long as I've known you, I know that isn't your intention.  Those things sometimes kind of jump out at you and have you ensnared before you know it.  Even so, I haven't seen anything ugly spewing from you!

Well thank you I really appreciate that! Sometimes I read over stuff and I think I shouldn't have said that, but in the moment it came out haha

[falcon9]

I feel like no matter how many times I try to end the conversation and keep it on a somewhat mature note another issue gets drug up so that it will continue, and I know that if I leave any matter hanging and dont refute the ...

You've been unable to refute the challenges made to your unsupported assertions. Snide remarks about 'maturity' notwithstanding; how "mature" is it to make unsubstantiated assertions in the Debate + Discuss forum and then 'leave that matter handing' when challenged to support your claims?  At the very least, it is extremely disingenuous of you.

... then the next time we are even in a debate I will be accused of "dodging."

Those weren't simply accusations of your dodging supporting your own claims, no evidence exists in these threads of your substantiating your empty declarations.  You have however, attempt to recast them as "opinions" in the forlorn hope that any nonsense whatsoever can be concealed beneath that 'banner'.

And the random attack at you just now was totally unwarranted especially considering all you did was say that my post was clearly stated.

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Quote from: jcribb16 on Today at 08:33:01 am:

"I would say that you have been very clear and straightforward with your response here."


Your opinion isn't surprising in this context, especially given your suspension of debating another subject in another thread.


Hardly an "attack", random or otherwise. You're posts resemble that of a very defensive person.

[SurveyMack10]

And I still notice he hasn't let go and moved on, lol!  Some people just enjoy going in circles, I guess.

It's unbelievable!

[SurveyMack10]

Once again, just because I choose to put faith in the existence of God does not mean I'm claiming it as fact.
I never said God's existence was fact. It is my choice to put my faith in his being real.
I don't owe you any proof of his existence, because I never claimed his existence was a fact.

As previously stated several times, (and just as often ignored by you); either your belief is in something which is real or, unreal.  Recently however, you directly claimed that your "belief itself IS God".  These are your unaltered words.  Prior to that interesting and unsupported claim, you'd claimed that your belief had nothing to do with whether or not "god was real" and that you were trying to shift emphasis onto your "belief" being real, (by way of stating that this is your belief and therefore, that your belief was real ... a good example of circular reasoning but, I disgress).  Taken together, these claims of yours are that, since your "belief is real and the belief itself IS God" = a claim that god is real.


Now, you've already done that dance around to avoid the inherent alternatives that, either your "belief" is in something real/extant or, it is in something unreal/imagined.  Whether you explicitly state this or not, those are the subsequently inherent alternatives implicit in your contention.

 

Once again, just because I choose to put faith in the existence of God does not mean I'm claiming it as fact.
I never said God's existence was fact. It is my choice to put my faith in his being real.
I don't owe you any proof of his existence, because I never claimed his existence was a fact.

[SurveyMack10]

Once again, just because I choose to put faith in the existence of God does not mean I'm claiming it as fact.

Then the remaining inherent implication is that your "faith" is in something with no factual existence.

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Welp, I never claimed God's existence was a proven fact.

[falcon9]

Also, we are not required to debate anything with anyone...

The forum is entitled Debate+Discuss, not Baseless Opinionating+Whinging.  However, while it is true that participates are not _required_ to debate or discuss, it is not true that publically posted unsupported assertions are required to go unchallenged.  Don't like that state of affairs?  Don't post unsupported assertions with the unrealistic expectation that they won't be challenged.

...just because we post an opinion doesn't mean we have to justify it to anyone else.  

Again, attempting to recast your empty assertion as an "opinion" does not relieve a public post from being challenged in the D+D forum.