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[falcon9]

Who really and honestly cares?

Apaprently you do, otherwise you'd ignore the responses you cannot refute.
 

You are the one making the big deal out of all of the "religious" posts, anyway - it apparently soothes your ego to do so, so whatever.

You and other religious adherents are the ones initiating the offensive religious proselytizing posts.  I'm one of those who respond by opposing such propaganda because it's an attempt to mind-blind others.  This has nothing to do with my "ego" since it concerns others, (as such does not mind blind me).

I don't care if you believe me or not

If so, why reply in order to inform me that you don't care?  You could simply sit there and not care, whether anyone else knows it or not.

... you don't have to read them in the first place.  You choose to come in; you choose to "not" ignore; you choose to provoke; and then you whine with your remarks over all of it because you think it's offensive.  

You're apparently "confused" since you don't have to read dissenting posts however, you choose to when you could use the ignore function instead of whining about being "provoked" after you/other religious adherents INITIALLY posted the offending material.  You're manifestly hypocritical; I didn't initiate the offensive religious propaganda posts - you and your faith-blinded ilk did/do.

[jcribb16]

Who really and honestly cares?

Apaprently you do, otherwise you'd ignore the responses you cannot refute.
 

You are the one making the big deal out of all of the "religious" posts, anyway - it apparently soothes your ego to do so, so whatever.

You and other religious adherents are the ones initiating the offensive religious proselytizing posts.  I'm one of those who respond by opposing such propaganda because it's an attempt to mind-blind others.  This has nothing to do with my "ego" since it concerns others, (as such does not mind blind me).

I don't care if you believe me or not

If so, why reply in order to inform me that you don't care?  You could simply sit there and not care, whether anyone else knows it or not.

... you don't have to read them in the first place.  You choose to come in; you choose to "not" ignore; you choose to provoke; and then you whine with your remarks over all of it because you think it's offensive.  

You're apparently "confused" since you don't have to read dissenting posts however, you choose to when you could use the ignore function instead of whining about being "provoked" after you/other religious adherents INITIALLY posted the offending material.  You're manifestly hypocritical; I didn't initiate the offensive religious propaganda posts - you and your faith-blinded ilk did/do.

You know, I really do feel sorry for you.  Yet at the same time, you are so humorous with your attempts to reverse things around and play the "victim" because you don't like posts about God.  If I wanted to "ignore" your posts, I would.  I don't care to ignore - that would make you so happy, wouldn't it?  You don't care to ignore either, or you wouldn't be answering back to me or to others.  And not choosing to keep posting responses back to me would make things just a tad boring - seems like many aren't up as late as you or I, and you would be kind of all by your little lonesome self on here.  I also enjoy posting in several other topic threads and working towards that bonus that FC is so kind to offer us for reaching a certain amount.  You just help to progress my count up - thanks for that, by the way!   

[falcon9]

You know, I really do feel sorry for you.

Your faux-pity is rejected as uneeded.
 

Yet at the same time, you are so humorous with your attempts to reverse things around and play the "victim" ...

I've never attempted to reverse your faux 'victimhood' stance and take it on.  What I have done is oppose your initial religious proselytizing and the religious propaganda of other blind faithers.

If I wanted to "ignore" your posts, I would.  I don't care to ignore ...

Then you are also choosing to complain about reading posts you could ignore; that's not rational.
 

You just help to progress my count up - thanks for that, by the way!   

You're welcome; at least you aren't ungrateful about that as your fellow religious adherents are when replying to me helps their post count too.

[jcribb16]

You know, I really do feel sorry for you.

Your faux-pity is rejected as uneeded.
 

Yet at the same time, you are so humorous with your attempts to reverse things around and play the "victim" ...

I've never attempted to reverse your faux 'victimhood' stance and take it on.  What I have done is oppose your initial religious proselytizing and the religious propaganda of other blind faithers.

If I wanted to "ignore" your posts, I would.  I don't care to ignore ...

Then you are also choosing to complain about reading posts you could ignore; that's not rational.
 

You just help to progress my count up - thanks for that, by the way!   

You're welcome; at least you aren't ungrateful about that as your fellow religious adherents are when replying to me helps their post count too.

I didn't expect you to accept my pity, but it's there all the same.  Has there ever been anything that has happened to cause you to dislike God posts so much?  Seriously, I am curious.  Usually people who are so adamant against anything to do with God, have had a bad experience, or have seen something horrible, or have blamed anything bad that has happened "in the name of religion" on every Christian believer, as a whole.  Believers are people like everyone else, suffer many of the same things, hurt, have pain, work, laze around, read books, take trips, talk to the neighbors, get together with family and friends, and so much more.  Why, to you, are they so irrational and wrong because they believe in something you disbelieve? 

[falcon9]

Has there ever been anything that has happened to cause you to dislike God posts so much?

Yes; the various inquistions, crusades, witch-burnings and general genocide which were based upon exactly the same superstitious religious beliefs as held by the propagandizers of such today. 

Usually people who are so adamant against anything to do with God, have had a bad experience, or have seen something horrible, or have blamed anything bad that has happened "in the name of religion" on every Christian believer, as a whole.  

Those tormented and killed outright in the name of the same religious beliefs as religious adherents today claim to hold did have a "bad experience" with xtianity. This is something which I will do everything possible to not allow happen again; which is why I oppose the perpetration of such religious superstitions.

Why, to you, are they so irrational and wrong because they believe in something you disbelieve? 

To reiterate; blind religious faith isn't rational because it expressly manifests despite a lack of evidence.  Apparently, there are xtians who revel slef-righteously in that very lack of evidence, (since religious "faith" doesn't require evidence, hence the phrase "a leap of faith").

[jcribb16]

Has there ever been anything that has happened to cause you to dislike God posts so much?

Yes; the various inquistions, crusades, witch-burnings and general genocide which were based upon exactly the same superstitious religious beliefs as held by the propagandizers of such today. 

Usually people who are so adamant against anything to do with God, have had a bad experience, or have seen something horrible, or have blamed anything bad that has happened "in the name of religion" on every Christian believer, as a whole.  

Those tormented and killed outright in the name of the same religious beliefs as religious adherents today claim to hold did have a "bad experience" with xtianity. This is something which I will do everything possible to not allow happen again; which is why I oppose the perpetration of such religious superstitions.

Why, to you, are they so irrational and wrong because they believe in something you disbelieve? 

To reiterate; blind religious faith isn't rational because it expressly manifests despite a lack of evidence.  Apparently, there are xtians who revel slef-righteously in that very lack of evidence, (since religious "faith" doesn't require evidence, hence the phrase "a leap of faith").

First, thank you for your honesty.  I do appreciate your taking the time to explain that.  You have to remember, though, that people, themselves, are human, and with many of them who called themselves "Christians" back then, some went way overboard in their thinking, and instead, acted like they thought they were God, themselves, choosing to cause death, trials, and the things you mentioned.  They do not represent God the Father, Jesus Christ (His son) and took it upon themselves to commit the murders they did.  They will be punished by God.  God says, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay," and He will punish them.  They may have already been punished, we don't know exactly what happened to each and everyone of them, afterwards, and in their personal lives, nor do we know what God's punishment will be - other than the eternal place of torment.

I do not agree with what they did, do not approve nor support their choices - they are responsible and accountable for their involvement in that.  What you are doing, in your way, of trying to stop things like that from happening again, are definitely wise and noble on your part.  I am doing the same thing, as well.  But when you go after every believer in God who posts a Bible verse, for example, just to share with others who also enjoy them, it does not mean they are of the same Christianity sect, mind, mold, or thinking of those past hateful bigoted murderers.  Jesus, Himself, only promotes "loving your neighbor as yourself," "taking care of the elderly, the sick, the children, the infirm, the dying," "helping people who need help and ask for help, such as food, work, transportation, money, clothes, etc.," "treating others as you would want to be treated," "showing kindness to others," - I could go on and on, but this is commanded by Christ, in the New Testament, to do.  And that's exactly what most Christians try their hardest to do. 

Those ones like from Westboro Church, and people like that, don't have the love of Christ in their hearts - they are poisoned with their own desires, hate, and loathing, of their own goals, that are not of God.  It is people like them, and churches like that, who give genuine and loving Christians the bad name, and one of the reasons so many genuine Christians are mocked, hated, ridiculed, etc., like they are.  That is wrong for them to be mistreated and blamed for the stupid insane things that those murderers and troublemakers (back then and today) did and do. That's why all "Christians" should not and cannot be placed in the same "box" - many are calling themselves "Christians" in name only, but are false and full of hate and out to do nothing but what "they" want to do, not what Christ wants Christians and anyone else to do, and that's to show compassion to ones who need it, help those who need it, and love everyone as themselves.

Again, thank you for sharing your honest views and feelings about this.

[falcon9]

First, thank you for your honesty.  I do appreciate your taking the time to explain that. 

You're welcome, although I've mentioned these same reasons previously.

You have to remember, though, that people, themselves, are human, and with many of them who called themselves "Christians" back then, some went way overboard in their thinking, and instead, acted like they thought they were God, themselves, choosing to cause death, trials, and the things you mentioned.  They do not represent God the Father, Jesus Christ (His son) and took it upon themselves to commit the murders they did. 

Yet, anyone who declares themselves to be xtian apparently is one.  As such, they are inherently following the same religious beliefs as those who commited attrocities in the name of that same religion.  I understand that people are human and not quite the same as other humans however, those who espouse the same religious beliefs are putting themselves within teh same religious paradigm which resulted in the inquisitions, crusades and witch-hunts.

They will be punished by God. 

That's a religious belief which I don't hold.
 

They may have already been punished, we don't know exactly what happened to each and everyone of them, afterwards, and in their personal lives ...

There's no way to know what exactly happened to those involved however, it also isn't possible to know that they were punished.

I do not agree with what they did, do not approve nor support their choices - they are responsible and accountable for their involvement in that. 

Although you don't agree with the choices they made based upon their religious beliefs, you do effectively share those same beliefs.  You are accountable for your beliefs and actions while others are accountable for theirs.

What you are doing, in your way, of trying to stop things like that from happening again, are definitely wise and noble on your part.  I am doing the same thing, as well.  But when you go after every believer in God who posts a Bible verse, for example, just to share with others who also enjoy them, it does not mean they are of the same Christianity sect, mind, mold, or thinking of those past hateful bigoted murderers.

I haven't asserted that all xtians are of the same religious sect or variety of xtianity.  What I have asserted is that, as xtians in general, the same general religious beliefs are shared, (otherwise, it wouldn't be a 'religion').

Those ones like from Westboro Church, and people like that, don't have the love of Christ in their hearts - they are poisoned with their own desires, hate, and loathing, of their own goals, that are not of God.

Yet, the Westboro baptists consider themselves as xtian as the next xtian.  Further, they base their religious stance on the same material as other xtians do, (biblical sources).
 

It is people like them, and churches like that, who give genuine and loving Christians the bad name, and one of the reasons so many genuine Christians are mocked, hated, ridiculed, etc., like they are.  That is wrong for them to be mistreated and blamed for the stupid insane things that those murderers and troublemakers (back then and today) did and do. That's why all "Christians" should not and cannot be placed in the same "box" - many are calling themselves "Christians" in name only, but are false and full of hate and out to do nothing but what "they" want to do ...

Again, I'm not talking about the somewhat 'different' xtians themselves but, the xtian belief system from which some actions are disdained by other xtians trying to distance themselves from xtians.

Again, thank you for sharing your honest views and feelings about this.

Yep.

[JediJohnnie]

Romans 10:8-13

“The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,”that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.  As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”

For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

 

[falcon9]

That one hasn't worked out well for you, fundie.

As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”

[jcribb16]

Romans 10:8-13

“The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,”that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.  As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”

For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

 

[jcribb16]

2 Corinthians 4:4


"The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God."  (NIV)

[falcon9]

"The god of this age has blinded the minds of  ... "

... those of 'faith' in that g-d.  That's why it's called "blind faith."

[jcribb16]

"The god of this age has blinded the minds of  ... "

... those of 'faith' in that g-d.  That's why it's called "blind faith."

The "god of this age" is not God, the Father.  It is the works of Satan that is deliberately deceiving (deceptively) the minds of those who do not choose to believe in God.

[falcon9]

The "god of this age" is not God, the Father.  It is the works of Satan that is deliberately deceiving (deceptively) the minds of those who do not choose to believe in God.

That would be another of one of those unsubstantiated religious beliefs which is based upon other, unsubstantiated religious beliefs.

[jcribb16]

2 Timothy 4:3


"For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear."  (NIV)