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Re: daily Bible inverse
« Reply #735 on: September 03, 2012, 06:29:00 pm »
"History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it."
-- Robert Heinlein

"If we go back to the beginning we shall find that ignorance and fear created the gods; that fancy, enthusiasm, or deceit adorned or disfigured them; that weakness worships them; that credulity preserves them, and that custom, respect and tyranny support them in order to make the blindness of men serve its own interests."
-- Baron d'Holbach, The System of Nature

"I'd rather have a mind opened by wonder than one closed by [religious] belief."
-- Gerry Spencer
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Re: daily Bible verse
« Reply #736 on: September 04, 2012, 02:31:33 pm »
 Demonstrating the plausibility of such thinking (that faith in God is a "crutch") is the writing of Freud himself who once said, “The bad part of it, especially for me, lies in the fact that science of all things seems to demand the existence of a God.”

Atheist Professor/Philosopher Thomas Nagel once said, “I want atheism to be true and am made uneasy by the fact that some of the most intelligent and well-informed people I know are religious believers. It isn't just that I don't believe in God and naturally hope that I'm right in my belief. It's that I hope that there is no God! I don't want there to be a God; I don't want the universe to be like that.”

English scholar C. S. Lewis is one such person. Lewis is famous for saying, "There was no more reluctant convert in all of England than myself, that I was literally dragged kicking and screaming into the faith," which is hardly a statement that one would expect from a person engaged in a wish-fulfillment fantasy.

The Bible states that humankind is in rebellion against God and naturally pushes Him away instead of desiring Him, and that such rejection is the reason the wrath of God comes upon them. The reality is people naturally do everything they can to suppress the truth about God, which is something Paul wrote about: “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools” (Romans 1:18–22). The fact that God is clearly evident in creation to all, as stated in Paul’s words, is also summed up by C. S. Lewis, who wrote, “We may ignore, but we can nowhere evade, the presence of God. The world is crowded with Him.”

Freud himself admitted that religion was “the enemy,” and this is exactly how God depicts humankind before being spiritually enlightened—as the enemies of God. This is something Paul also acknowledged: “For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life” (Romans 5:10, emphasis added).

Such a statement of faith being a "crutch," speaks to the prideful nature of man and epitomizes the type of people rebuked by Jesus in the book of Revelation: )“You say, ‘I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing,’ and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked.” (Revelation 3:17.

Instead of affixing a “crutch” label upon the Christian, the wish-fulfillment claims of atheists, only act as an indictment against them and showcase their desire to reject God and His claim to their lives, which is exactly what the Bible says fallen humankind does. But to these same people, God asks that they recognize their true desires and offers Himself in the place of the false hope of humanism that they cling to.

Portions from GotQuestions.org.

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Re: daily Bible inverse
« Reply #737 on: September 04, 2012, 02:45:41 pm »
~quoted material from GotQuestions.org~

"Demonstrating the plausibility of such thinking (that faith in God is a "crutch") is the writing of Freud ... "

Freud's writing demonstrate no such "plausibility".  Religious faith, (belief without evidence), is a more of a permenent plaster cast than a crutch.

"Such a statement of faith being a "crutch," speaks to the prideful nature of man ..."

No, it speaks to the dependence religious adherents have upon empty faith, (belief without evidence), precisely because there is no valid evidence to support blind faith.

"Instead of affixing a “crutch” label upon the Christian, the wish-fulfillment claims of atheists ..."
 

Exactly which "wish-fulfillement claims" are being made by atheists?  All of the religious "wish-fulfillment claims" thusfar are being made by the religious adherents, not by 'atheists'.  Blind faith remains the 'rubber crutch' of religious adherents because such remains without the substantive support of evidence and the label fits.

Portions from GotQuestions.org.

The proselytizing site you're using as cannon fodder can't defend itself here.  If you're not going to do so, you're merely propagandizing religious beliefs and that's disingenuous.
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Re: daily Bible verse
« Reply #738 on: September 04, 2012, 06:09:43 pm »
Luke 18:9-14

To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable:  “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.  The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector.  I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
 
 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
 
 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”


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Re: daily Bible inverse
« Reply #739 on: September 04, 2012, 06:19:06 pm »
"Humanity has the stars in its future, and that future is too important to be lost under the burden of juvenile folly (of religion) and ignorant superstition."
-- Isaac Asimov
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Re: daily Bible verse
« Reply #740 on: September 04, 2012, 07:04:16 pm »
God is Good all the time.

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Re: daily Bible inverse
« Reply #741 on: September 04, 2012, 07:04:52 pm »
There is no valid evidence for such a specious religious claim.

God is Good all the time.
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Re: daily Bible verse
« Reply #742 on: September 04, 2012, 07:34:56 pm »
Demonstrating the plausibility of such thinking (that faith in God is a "crutch") is the writing of Freud himself who once said, “The bad part of it, especially for me, lies in the fact that science of all things seems to demand the existence of a God.”

Atheist Professor/Philosopher Thomas Nagel once said, “I want atheism to be true and am made uneasy by the fact that some of the most intelligent and well-informed people I know are religious believers. It isn't just that I don't believe in God and naturally hope that I'm right in my belief. It's that I hope that there is no God! I don't want there to be a God; I don't want the universe to be like that.”

English scholar C. S. Lewis is one such person. Lewis is famous for saying, "There was no more reluctant convert in all of England than myself, that I was literally dragged kicking and screaming into the faith," which is hardly a statement that one would expect from a person engaged in a wish-fulfillment fantasy.

The Bible states that humankind is in rebellion against God and naturally pushes Him away instead of desiring Him, and that such rejection is the reason the wrath of God comes upon them. The reality is people naturally do everything they can to suppress the truth about God, which is something Paul wrote about: “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools” (Romans 1:18–22). The fact that God is clearly evident in creation to all, as stated in Paul’s words, is also summed up by C. S. Lewis, who wrote, “We may ignore, but we can nowhere evade, the presence of God. The world is crowded with Him.”

Freud himself admitted that religion was “the enemy,” and this is exactly how God depicts humankind before being spiritually enlightened—as the enemies of God. This is something Paul also acknowledged: “For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life” (Romans 5:10, emphasis added).

Such a statement of faith being a "crutch," speaks to the prideful nature of man and epitomizes the type of people rebuked by Jesus in the book of Revelation: )“You say, ‘I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing,’ and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked.” (Revelation 3:17.

Instead of affixing a “crutch” label upon the Christian, the wish-fulfillment claims of atheists, only act as an indictment against them and showcase their desire to reject God and His claim to their lives, which is exactly what the Bible says fallen humankind does. But to these same people, God asks that they recognize their true desires and offers Himself in the place of the false hope of humanism that they cling to.

Portions from GotQuestions.org.





Well said.   I have most of them but I love they way you put it all together.   If we Christians are wrong we have nothing to lose but it we are right Atheist have all to lose.

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Re: daily Bible verse
« Reply #743 on: September 04, 2012, 07:55:05 pm »
Pascal's Wager is based upon faulty logic.  This is typical of xtian non-reasoning.  Religious blind faith is self-deluding and that leads to other false conclusions in this life.

If we Christians are wrong we have nothing to lose but it we are right Atheist have all to lose.
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Re: daily Bible verse
« Reply #744 on: September 04, 2012, 09:09:06 pm »
But all is well for the godly man. Tell him, "What reward a you are going to get!"  Isaiah 5:10 (The Living Bible)
God grant me the Serenity to accept the things I cannot change
the courage to change the things I can
and the wisdom to know the difference  :angel11:

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Re: daily Bible verse
« Reply #745 on: September 04, 2012, 09:17:54 pm »
"The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers."
-- Denis Diderot

"Physics isn't a religion. If it were, we'd have a much easier time raising money."
-- Leon Lederman
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Re: daily Bible verse
« Reply #746 on: September 05, 2012, 09:30:15 am »
This is not a bible verse, just a personal observation.  I believe true Wisdom comes from knowing God.

Knowledge teaches one how to make a Living.............Wisdom teaches one how to make a Life.
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Re: daily Bible inverse
« Reply #747 on: September 05, 2012, 11:45:20 am »
That's not an "observation", it's a religiously-biased opinion based upon 'faith'.  Since faith is belief without evidence, such an opinion is without basis.  There is no evidence that "wisdom" has anything to do with a religious opinion which itself, lacks evidence.

This is not a bible verse, just a personal observation.  I believe true Wisdom comes from knowing God.
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Re: daily Bible verse
« Reply #748 on: September 05, 2012, 02:00:36 pm »
Got to get out of the today and into the big picture, today hasn't been joyous, but praise Him in the storm.

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Re: daily Bible inverse
« Reply #749 on: September 05, 2012, 02:02:41 pm »
"Faith is the fatigue resulting from the attempt to preserve God's integrity instead of one's own."
-- Matt Berry
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