daily Bible verse

[falcon9]

- Norman Vincent Peale
- Sir William Osler    
- Gail Devers    
- St. Thomas Aquinas

What, lacking sufficient wherewithal to thump on your own, it becomes necessary to drag more thumpers in to support such proselytizations?

                    

[jcribb16]

"A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five."
Groucho Marx

[falcon9]

"A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five."
Groucho Marx

That might account for the lack of such understanding from the thumpers; lack of access to five year-olds, (unless they've already proselytized and brain-washed them in one of the most harmful and insidious methods of propaganda employed historically and currently by xtians).

"The Bible as we have it contains elements that are scientifically incorrect or even morally repugnant. No amount of 'explaining away' can convince us that such passages are the product of Divine Wisdom."
-- Bernard J. Bamberger

[jcribb16]

People in here are enjoying, or trying to enjoy, daily Bible verses.  A couple want to refute the Bible isn't true or accurate.  I respect your opinion with that.  But many of us do believe it's true and have evidence it's true.  You don't have to accept it as truth - it's your right to disagree.

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/b_proof.shtml
("How do you know the Bible is true?")

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml
("Science and the Bible, with consistency between both")

[falcon9]

People in here are enjoying, or trying to enjoy, daily Bible verses.  A couple want to refute the Bible isn't true or accurate.

No, several people have refuted the various 'bibles' by pointing out the numerous inconsistancies contained within them.  More to the point, those people who do not enjoy religious proselytization have objected to it.
 

I respect your opinion with that.  

Numerous previous, (and archived), posts made by "jcribb16" provide evidence contrary to the current assertion.

But many of us do believe it's true and have evidence it's true.  You don't have to accept it as truth - it's your right to disagree.

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/b_proof.shtml
("How do you know the Bible is true?")

"It is the only religion that can prove itself, and a main source of that proof is the Bible."
This is a illogical circularity of using the premise to support that premise, (e.g., 'the bible is true because the bible says the bible is true').

Summarily, such members who desire to proselytize their religious beliefs by requoting various 'bibles' have the same 'freedom' to do so as those who object to this have to object.  There is however, no incontrovertible evidence that the contents of 'the bible' are "true", despite beliefs, (which means, that for which there is no evidence), to the contrary.  Simply put; the act of "believing" something is "true" doesn't make it so.

[jcribb16]

The Proof of Textual Evidence

Both the Old and New Testaments are strongly supported by manuscript evidence (the evidence of early hand written copies). The famous Dead Sea Scrolls are one example of the Old Testament evidence. These documents came from the “library” of a settlement founded at Qumran before 150 B.C. and abandoned about 68 A.D. Some of the manuscript copies were made during that period, and some were written earlier (third century BC) and brought to the settlement. Ignoring spelling-oriented (orthographic) changes and similar small differences, the Dead Sea Scrolls match the Hebrew text behind today’s Old Testament, in spite of the passage of over 2,000 years (where one would expect errors to creep in).

Over 20,000 known manuscripts document the New Testament text. This makes the New Testament the most reliable document of antiquity (a document written before the printing press). These manuscripts vary in size from a part of a page to an entire Bible (Old and New Testaments). The earliest New Testament manuscripts date from the second century (100-199) AD These manuscript copies were written in different languages by people of different nationalities, cultures, and backgrounds. In spite of all those differences between them, the New Testament texts all agree. (That is, those differences that we do observe between these hand written documents are occasional changes in the spelling of names or isolated cases of missing or changed words. Still, since we have so many copies, it is obvious to anyone but the hardened skeptic can that they all represent the same text.)
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/b_proof.shtml

[falcon9]

"The Proof of Textual Evidence:

Both the Old and New Testaments are strongly supported by manuscript evidence (the evidence of early hand written copies). The famous Dead Sea Scrolls are one example of the Old Testament evidence." 
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/b_proof.shtml

The xtian site's writer's of that article are misrepresenting what "evidence" consists of. Having any, (or many), copies of the same documents whose basis lacks evidence attributed to content simply means that several copies of a collection of texts exist, (not that those copies of copies represent accurate content).  It was common practice to copy and re-copy several ancient texts by hand, well before the printing press, (and after - the "Gutenberg bible" was the first book printed using moveable-type, for instance).

The Dead Sea Scrolls also contain much content which no extant versions of either "testament" do, ("Apocryphal" or "Pseudepigraphical" manuscripts (known documents from the Second Temple Period like Enoch, Jubilees, Tobit, Sirach, additional psalms, etc., that were not ultimately canonized in the Hebrew Bible, which comprise roughly 30% of the identified scrolls).

The point is that just because I have a manuscript copy of a sci-fi book, for instance, that does not serve as "evidence" that the contents of either that manuscript or, book copies of it contain accurate content.

"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations."
-- attributed to Buddha
 

[JediJohnnie]

Matthew 7:7-8

Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.


 

[jcribb16]

Unlike mythology, the Bible has a historical framework. Its characters are real people living in verifiable locations during historical events. The Bible mentions Nebuchadnezzar, Sennacherib, Cyrus, Herod, Felix, Pilate, and many other historical figures. Its history coincides with that of many nations, including the Egyptian, Hittite, Persian, Babylonian, and Roman empires. The events of the Bible take place in geographical areas such as Canaan, Syria, Egypt, Mesopotamia, and others. All this certifiable detail refutes the idea that the Bible is mere mythology.


Unlike mythology, the Bible has many confirmations in sciences such as biology, geology, astronomy, and archaeology. The field of biblical archaeology has absolutely exploded in the last century and a half, during which time hundreds of thousands of artifacts have been discovered. Just one example: at one time, skeptics used the Bible’s references to the Hittite civilization as “proof” that the Bible was a myth. There was never any such people as the “Hittites,” according to the science of the day. However, in 1876, the first of a series of discoveries was made, and now the existence of the ancient Hittite civilization is well documented. Archaeology continues to bolster the Bible’s historicity. As Dr. Henry M. Morris has remarked, “There exists today not one unquestionable find of archaeology that proves the Bible to be in error at any point.”

Unlike mythology, the Bible is written as history. Luke wrote his Gospel as “an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us . . . just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses.” Luke claims that he had “carefully investigated everything from the beginning” and so wrote “an orderly account . . . so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught” (see Luke 1:1-4). Did Luke include miracles in his account? Yes, many of them. But they were miracles verified by eyewitnesses. Two thousand years later, a skeptic might call Luke’s account a “myth,” but the burden of proof rests with the skeptic. The account itself is a carefully investigated historical document.

Unlike mythology, the Bible contains an astounding number of fulfilled prophecies. Myths do not bother with prophecy, but fully one third of the Bible is prophecy. The Bible contains over 1,800 predictions concerning more than 700 separate subjects found in over 8,300 verses. The Old Testament contains more than 300 prophecies concerning Jesus Christ alone, many with amazing specificity. Numerous prophecies have already been fulfilled, and they have come to pass precisely as foretold. The mathematical odds of someone making this number of predictions and having every one of them come to pass are light-years beyond the realm of human possibility. These miraculous prophecies could only be accomplished with the supernatural guidance of Him who sees the beginning from the end (Isaiah 46:9-10).

Unlike mythology, the Bible has transformed a countless number of lives. Yet many people allow the views of others—who have never seriously studied the Bible—to shape their own opinions. Each of us needs study it for ourselves. Put it to the test. Live by the Bible’s precepts and experience for yourself the dynamic and transforming power of this amazing Book. Apply its teachings on forgiveness and see how it can mend a broken relationship. Apply its principles of stewardship and watch your financial situation improve. Apply its teaching on faith and feel a calming presence in your heart even as you navigate through a difficult trial in your life. The Bible works. There is a reason Christians in various countries around the world risk their lives daily to expose others to the life-giving truth of this remarkable Book.

Ultimately, many who reject God and His revealed Word do so because of pride. They are so invested in their personal beliefs that they refuse to honestly weigh the evidence. To accept the Bible as true would require them to think seriously about God and their responsibility to Him. To accept the Bible as true might require a change of lifestyle. As Erwin Lutzer stated, “The truth is, few people have an open mind, especially about matters of religion. . . . Thus, perverted doctrines and prejudices are easily perpetuated from one generation to another.”

Millions die every year having bet their eternal souls that the Bible is not true, hoping against hope that it is nothing but a book of mythology, and that God does not exist. It is a risky gamble, and the stakes are very high. We urge everyone to read the Bible with an open mind; let it speak for itself, and may you find that God’s Word is truth (John 17:17).




GotQuestions.org

http://www.gotquestions.org/search.php?zoom_sort=0&zoom_query=proof+that+the+Bible+is+real&search.x=77&search.y=16



   

[falcon9]

"Unlike mythology, the Bible has a historical framework." {excerpted from a biased xtian website*}

Many fictional works have been set in historical times.  Such a framework does not confer accuracy on the content of such works.

"Unlike mythology, the Bible is written as history."*

Actual history and "written as history" are not the same things; implicitly conflating two different concepts is disingenuous.

"Unlike mythology, the Bible contains an astounding number of fulfilled prophecies."*

On the contrary, no such evidentiary examples of this claim have been produced.  Such extant claims which attempt to 'force-fit' events occuring subsequently to proposed and alleged "prophesies" do not constitute legitimate evidence since they fail evidentiary tests, (hearsay, verbal or written, is not 'evidence').  Such claims remain unsupported by tangible, contextual evidence.

"Unlike mythology, the Bible has transformed a countless number of lives. Apply its teachings ... Apply its principles ... Apply its teaching on faith ... There is a reason Christians in various countries around the world risk their lives daily to expose others to the life-giving truth of this remarkable Book."*

All of that substantiates promoting overt proselytizing and constitutes evidence supporting such a assertion.

*http://www.gotquestions.org/search.php?zoom_sort=0&zoom_query=proof+that+the+Bible+is+real&search.x=77&search.y=16

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false,
and by rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger (4? BC - 65 AD)

[jcribb16]

Isaiah 26:3

"Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee."  (KJV)


Isaiah 40:31

"But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint."  (KJV)

[falcon9]

Isaiah 40:31
"But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint."  (KJV)

'While eagles may soar, weasels don't get sucked into jet-engines.'

[jcribb16]

1 Peter 5:10

10 "But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you." 

[debidoo]

  It is truly so encouraging to see people posting bible verses and talking about their beliefs.  This is a tough life it seems to me sometimes and some days I feel like I am holding on by a thread but it is a thread that is attached to our Father.  I sincerely do not understand how people make it through life without having that assurance that there is someone looking out for us that cares about us.  Thanks folks and be BLESSED 

[falcon9]

1 Peter 5:10