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[jcribb16]

My my my the racist shows its face. From many of your post I felt a certain thing about you and now with these latest post I think you have surfaced. Jcribb you hide behind verses and quotes, but more and more you show your true identity.

I am not racist and I'm sorry if you interpreted it that way.  I do not condone slavery, either, but was trying to show him why God allowed slavery, under stipulations, as a way for the poor to survive.  I meant nothing racist about anyone - remember, slavery in the Bible, the Old Testament, wasn't based on race, period.  It was based on the poor to help them. 

You are beginning to show your biased side as well.  I'm sorry for that, for I thought you were doing quite well with standing up for God's Word and God.  You even have Psalm 23 as a side reference, which identifies you as a Christian. 

Liking Psalms 23 doesn't mean I'm a Christian because Christians do not own that passage nor do they own the bible. I'm a Baptist and we too read the bible. I chose to keep my beliefs to myself because once people decided to flood the forums with all this Christian stuff it took a turn for the worst because I myself think that Christians don't know when to stop trying force they religion upon others. If you read some of my post you would see that. There's no sense in keeping up things when some don't agree with you and yes its our choice to disagree and not have Christian religion stuffed down our throats. You don't see me making 30 threads of Baptist related things because I choose to not force my religion upon others who may not believe in it. I share it elsewhere where people and I can discuss with others who believe in my religion. This is what you call making peace among your fellow FC members. Now if Christians can do that you wouldn't see yourself filling up threads with your Christian related posts that seem to just go on and on and it just never gives. I mean really give it break.

I am a Baptist, as well.  I am not "flooding" this forum with threads; there are a great many posters who are making threads - it all adds up.  There are many who make threads, apparently not understanding that they can include their posts within a same thread.  Some are frustrated because of personal insults; then get scolded for making a call out thread.  Though I don't agree with call out threads, I can still feel their frustration.

Another thing, are you really saying that there is constant cramming down the throats of religion in here?  Maybe some do, but I don't think that cramming is the right word - they just want to share things and talk about it with others.  What makes it start looking mean is the constant opposition, though allowed, that extends the threads into quarreling.  I made a recent thread for November Blessings - people who like it or don't like it will and will not comment.  You can ignore it since it seems to bother you.  It does NOT mean I am cramming my religion - I'm not inviting anyone personally to the Lord - I am sharing my thoughts and views, and in that one thread, my thanks and blessings in my life.  I am not the one following most every single religious thread and I'm not seeing the cramming you are speaking of - they are sharing their verses and views.  

Other posters are tired of "atheistic" views being crammed down their throats if you want to look at it that way.  Of course, those who dis-believe, will deny this and with many they are absolutely right - they are not cramming but sharing their thoughts and views.  There are a couple who do indeed oppose and make it extremely obvious, to the point of making people angry.  So you are okay with that but not Christians standing up for their beliefs to the opposition?

People can post pretty much what they want in here, you included, and me included.  I'm sorry you seem to blame me for all of the threads being posted and what you think is cramming salvation pushes, but you are mistaken and need to go and lay the blame other than at my door.  

The moderator hasn't told me not to make threads, and has not told me to hush sharing my views.  Nor has he to you and others.  So what is the real issue here?  If you don't like me and that's the real issue, then so be it.  We know and expect to not be liked by all, and vice versa.  Give yourself a break - we've been told to use the Ignore Button - maybe that's part of your solution, maybe not, but I'm not out after you, personally, and won't sit back and just let you roll over me with mis-guided assumptions and accusations laid at my door that are not correct.  Thank you.

[falcon9]

i just wanted to enforce truth.

Not only can "truth" not be "enforced" but, there is no valid evidence to support contentions that any religious belief is the "truth", (the belief itself does not constitute valid evidence due to being based upon the non-evidence of religious faith because that's circular non-reasoning and therefore, irrational).  Further, there is no extant evidence that "truth" is irrational.

[jcribb16]

My my my the racist shows its face. From many of your post I felt a certain thing about you and now with these latest post I think you have surfaced. Jcribb you hide behind verses and quotes, but more and more you show your true identity.

I am not racist and I'm sorry if you interpreted it that way.  I do not condone slavery, either, but was trying to show him why God allowed slavery, under stipulations, as a way for the poor to survive.  I meant nothing racist about anyone - remember, slavery in the Bible, the Old Testament, wasn't based on race, period.  It was based on the poor to help them. 

You are beginning to show your biased side as well.  I'm sorry for that, for I thought you were doing quite well with standing up for God's Word and God.  You even have Psalm 23 as a side reference, which identifies you as a Christian. 

Liking Psalms 23 doesn't mean I'm a Christian because Christians do not own that passage nor do they own the bible. I'm a Baptist and we too read the bible. I chose to keep my beliefs to myself because once people decided to flood the forums with all this Christian stuff it took a turn for the worst because I myself think that Christians don't know when to stop trying force they religion upon others. If you read some of my post you would see that. There's no sense in keeping up things when some don't agree with you and yes its our choice to disagree and not have Christian religion stuffed down our throats. You don't see me making 30 threads of Baptist related things because I choose to not force my religion upon others who may not believe in it. I share it elsewhere where people and I can discuss with others who believe in my religion. This is what you call making peace among your fellow FC members. Now if Christians can do that you wouldn't see yourself filling up threads with your Christian related posts that seem to just go on and on and it just never gives. I mean really give it break.

I'm pretty sure Baptists are Christians.I'm not sure what your trying to say here,but Christians have a right to post their beliefs here.It's only Falcon and people of his ilk that have caused tempers to flare from not being able to live and let live.

I hear a lot about "the  Christian religion stuffed down our throats",but if we didn't have atheists shoving their beliefs (complete with arrogant,condescending attitude) in Biblical & Prayer threads,I think most of us would be content to share our faith peacefully in these threads

Thank you for saying this!

[jcribb16]

Maybe this will help......



 

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Why did God condone slavery?
DateFriday, July 6, 2012 at 7:47AM

QUESTION: Defend this! Exodus Chapter 21, verse 20: “If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.”

Not only does God condone slavery, but he is also completely comfortable with the concept of beating your slaves, as long as you don't kill them.

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ANSWER: It is not that God condones slavery or any other sort of evil. He does not condone, but rather, permits and tolerates. We should recognize first that God’s intention is not necessarily to make Satan’s world a better, happier place. Jehovah fully intends to get rid of the whole rotten system and replace it with an entirely new world where evil does not exist. In the meantime God has provided laws and principles and allowed for civil authorities to moderate evil, but these are merely temporary and stopgap measures.

In the case of the scripture cited, slavery was part of civilization from the beginning. It was a necessary evil. Some people simply did not have the means and ability to carve out there place in a harsh world and were forced to become slaves in order to survive or pay off debts owed. In the Israelite society, though, God put in place laws that regulated slavery. And the very fact that God held a slave owner guilty if he killed his slave indicates that, as strange as it may seem to us now, the slave had rights and God viewed them as a human. God also did not allow for perpetual slavery of an Israelite. That is why he instituted Jubilees that freed slaves and families from perpetual servitude.

God also decreed that harvesters must leave behind everything that fell to the ground in order that the poor might glean the fields and orchards. Such a provision was a social saftey net that was intended to prevent the poor from becoming abject slaves.

Regarding the "ANSWER" given - I totally agree with you and see you enjoy a site I like to use, too.  At least the poor were given the opportunity to better themselves and take care of their state or poorness to get through rough times.  We both agree, apparently that though God did NOT condone slavery, he did allow it for the poor to have a chance to survive.  Thank you for adding this! 

[jcribb16]

So far i am disappointed with Jcribb for not giving kudos to Gods organization for that write up on slaves.I thought it was very well presented and biblical too.I dont expect Falconer2 to agree with it but the way it was presented surely shows Jehovah is a JUST God.

I just got on a little bit ago and have been responding in order, starting a couple of pages back.  I did indeed respond to it.  The point Falconer has the main issue with is the slavery itself.  I don't agree with it either, but was only trying to clarify why God allowed it to help the poor survive, and originally from the fact that sin had entered the picture, which was not part of God's perfect plan - free will took the sin route.  Thanks for posting what you did.

[falcon9]

I am not "flooding" this forum with threads;

That's a bit disingenuous since there is a great deal of archived evidence that you are "flooding" the forum threads with evangelical religious posts.

there are a great many posters who are making threads - it all adds up.  There are many who make threads, apparently not understanding that they can include their posts within a same thread.

That's true however, you omitted the part where you've added posts to such threads, thus contributing to the "flooding" of evangelical religious posts to the forums.

Some are frustrated because of personal insults; then get scolded for making a call out thread.  Though I don't agree with call out threads, I can still feel their frustration.

Once again, that is a false characterization since dissenting viewpoints have focussed upon opposing the specious religious contentions made rather than primarily upon those making them.  Further, some of those "calling-out" threads have been supported by you through posting in agreement and 'egging them on'.

Another thing, are you really saying that there is constant cramming down the throats of religion in here?  Maybe some do, but I don't think that cramming is the right word - they just want to share things and talk about it with others.

What religious evangelists may 'call' "just wanting to share" remains religious evangelism, rephrased.  

What makes it start looking mean is the constant opposition, though allowed, that extends the threads into quarreling.  I made a recent thread for November Blessings - people who like it or don't like it will and will not comment.  You can ignore it since it seems to bother you.  It does NOT mean I am cramming my religion - I'm not inviting anyone personally to the Lord - I am sharing my thoughts and views, and in that one thread, my thanks and blessings in my life.

Once again, there's no provision on FC for unopposed "sharing" of religious evangelism.  If such evangelism is permitted by FC, so too are opposing viewpoints.
 

I am not the one following most every single religious thread and I'm not seeing the cramming you are speaking of - they are sharing their verses and views.

It may very well be that religious blind faith also blinds those holding it to reason since the concept of 'no provision for unopposed religious evangelism/proselytization exists on FC, (which therefore allows for dissenting viewpoints, whether characterized as "following most every single religious thread" or not).

Other posters are tired of "atheistic" views being cra ...

Viewpoints expressed in oppositional response to initially-posted religious opinions do not constitute "atheistic views" being forced upon anyone, (because, once again, there is no provision for unopposed religious evangelism/proselytization on FC).

Of course, those who dis-believe, will deny this and with many they are absolutely right - they are not cramming but sharing their thoughts and views.  There are a couple who do indeed oppose and make it extremely obvious, to the point of making people angry.

Opposing is not "cramming".  Your false characterizations are religiously-biased, false and tedious.

...won't sit back and just let you roll over me with mis-guided assumptions and accusations laid at my door that are not correct.

Yet, you'll apparently continue to post "misguided assumptions and accusations" about other FC members rather than argue points of contention which you and other religious adherents raise, (and mischaracterize dissenting oppositional posts in a manner constituting outright lies).

[falcon9]

Though such a 'threat' is probably metaphorical, it remains indicative of the blatant religious evangelism being 'forced' upon members of a non-religious independent contractor business site's forums.

Sometimes when you speak with Falconer2 you need to bring some extra dynamite.....LOL!!Every once in awhile i run outta blasting caps.

[falcon9]

The guy is a creep and a troublemaker...i havent spoken to him in over a week now and i suggest you put my posts hidden to him as well or get rid of him!!!

'Flaming' another member of FC, (with the "creep and a troublemaker" insults), and then requesting that FC "get rid of" the one you're insulting is extremely hypocritical, (as well as ignorant).

Isnt it obvious to you guys yet???
If this isnt trolling what is?I dont feel like getting badgered in the dark here.PLEASE GET RID OF HIM

Any member of FC who chooses to reply to a 'publically-posted' post has the option to do so.  Replying to posts isn't "trolling", (which has a different definition than 'unliked content').  'Demanding' that FC "get rid" of a member who is not violating FC policies or rules is a blatant demand for censorship.

[tclark15]

Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen" King James version  Keep the faith for without it it's imossible to please God.

[falcon9]

i CANT READ YOUR POSTS BUT I AM GOING TO DO MY DAMNEST TO GET RID OF YOU

That is a direct threat and it's been reported as such, (since FC does not ban for not violating their policies or rules).  Conversely, you have previously violated FC posting policies on at least three previous occasions and have been temporarily banned, (by way of posting at least two "calling-out" threads), only to return and do it again and again.  Therefore, threatening another FC member with an unspecified campaign to "get rid of" them/me is specious.

[falcon9]

"Now faith is the substance ..."

No, "faith" has no "substance" since it is a belief without substantive evidence.

[falcon9]

Fusion Cash...it has been over a week now Falcon9s posts are hidden from me...he constantly has commented on mine.

False.  I have occasionally, (not "constantly"), replied to the content of posts made by you, not to you by 'nym, (except where you've threatened or, posted egregious lies).

I have ignored it completely.He puts up Fundie threat...

That's because you are a self-proclaimed jw fundie who has posted threats.  Logic is not your friend.

...im sorry but this guy has got to go...it isnt fair i get badgered in the dark.Doesnt discernment tell you this guy is a troublemaker?He trys to play by the rules but uses them to his advantage when the trouble starts with him.

Requesting that FC moderators ban someone for Not breaking FC's rules or policies is irrational.  Conversely, the one requesting such has violated FC's policies by posting more than one "calling-out" thread which makes such a censorous demand hypocritical.

Whats it gonna take?The least you can do is hide my posts from his.I dont feel like being threatned by him ...

The assertion that I've "threatned" the member who has just issued a threat against me, (to "get rid" of me), is specious.  No such "threats" have been posted by me and therefore, the accuser lies outright.
 

Get rid of him.

Get bent.

[Falconer02]

I guess you didnt read or agree with what i wrote a few posts back.....but ahhhhh....i did predict you wouldnt.I put it up to show God was Just and also Jcribb was trying to tell u that as well and i just wanted to enforce truth.

I did, but apparently you did not read the previous posts in this argument. Everything mentioned in your article is still an argument to explain why slavery was justified when a civilized person knows it is never justified. The problem you fail to see is this--

It is not that God condones slavery or any other sort of evil. He does not condone, but rather, permits and tolerates

Permitting and/or tolerating slavery in any form is extremely immoral. For the 20th time now, believers keep beating around the bush of trying to explain how their god is moral and just while this god sits back and allows slavery to happen. There's no way of getting ontop of the moral high ground when one attempts to explain how slavery is justified (no matter the time period).

In the meantime God has provided laws and principles and allowed for civil authorities to moderate evil, but these are merely temporary and stopgap measures.

Slavery is inexcusable and thus allowing, permitting, or tolerating it (while having the knowledge, authority, or power to stop it) is malevolence. Right here you admit that.

It was a necessary evil. Some people simply did not have the means and ability to carve out there place in a harsh world and were forced to become slaves in order to survive or pay off debts owed.

A "necessary evil" + a god allowing/tolerating it w/o explaining alternate logical methods = immoral and imperfect god.

[Falconer02]

His permission of wickedness has also been for a reason.

I assure you your 'reasons' for your god doing this are not logical as we've been over it in the past and you failed to defend such actions.

Malice- The intent, without just cause or reason, to commit a wrongful act that will result in harm to another

If you stayed awake at the meetings you might have learned that.

If you had any ounce of morality or logic, you'd see the problem with your argument. Obviously your beliefs stray from moral reasonings. Perhaps it's a good thing I did as I reject your immoral justifications.

[Falconer02]

Man has killed himself over and over in wars...now u wanna blame God...............GEEEEEEEEEESSHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

I cannot blame mythological gods over real-life actions because they do not exist. Again, you are incorrect.