daily Bible verse

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King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
"That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perishes, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honor and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:"  I Peter 1:7

 New International Version (©1984)
"These have come so that your faith--of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire--may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed."     

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
"Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,"   

 New International Version (©1984)
"Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring--not only to those who are of the law but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all."   

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
"He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;"

New International Version (©1984)
"Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God,"

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King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
"That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perishes, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honor and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:"  I Peter 1:7

 New International Version (©1984)
"These have come so that your faith--of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire--may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed." 

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
"Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,"   

 New International Version (©1984)
"Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring--not only to those who are of the law but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all." 

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
"He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;"

New International Version (©1984)
"Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God,"

"Faith is believing what you know ain't so."
-- Mark Twain

“Faith is believing in things when common sense tells you not to.”
-- George Seaton
 
“Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense.”
-- Voltaire

"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many
people suffer from a delusion, it is called Religion."
-- Robert M. Pirsig

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Luke 6:31

“The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the simple unconscious
expedient of discouraging rational inquiry.”
-- Richard Dawkins

I find a rational sense of inquisitiveness as a requirement of faith, at least in my case.  Faith isn't simply attending some religious place of worship and accepting what one is told, it requires an active participation and understanding (according to the person this can be different).  Everything isn't meant for everyone.  

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I find a rational sense of inquisitiveness as a requirement of faith, at least in my case.  Faith isn't simply attending some religious place of worship and accepting what one is told, it requires an active participation and understanding (according to the person this can be different).  Everything isn't meant for everyone.  

Yet, "faith" remains a belief in that for which there is no evidence, (which isn't exactly "rational").  In fact, according to severral religious precepts, there seems to be a requirement to believe, despite the lack of evidence to support such faith.  Again, that's not rational; it partially describes an irrational thought process.

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Those who have faith need no explanation, for those who
      have no faith, no explanation is possible.

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Fear knocked at the door and faith answered.  No one was
        there.
                                                                             - Old English Proverb 

Those who have faith need no explanation, for those who
      have no faith, no explanation is possible.

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Fear knocked at the door and faith answered.  No one was
        there.
                                                                             - Old English Proverb
 

Fear ends where faith begins.

All I have seen teaches me to trust the Creator for all I have
     not seen.
                                                                          - Ralph Waldo Emerson   

I would rather err on the side of faith than on the side of doubt.
                                                                             - Robert Schuller   

Faith is reacting positively to a negative situation.
                                                                                 - Dr. Robert Schuller   

Without faith a man can do nothing; with it all things
        are possible.
                                                                             - Sir William Osler

Optimism is the faith that leads to achievement.  Nothing can
       be done without hope and confidence.
                                                    - Helen Keller
 

I remember a line from the movie, "The Miracle on 34th Street" that said, "Faith is believing in things that common sense tells you not to." 

If some are sure of what they are believing in or hoping for, then some are certain of what they do not see.  How much faith, though, would they have to allow it into the reality of their lives?  Faith and action work together because faith is a verb, and action is an important part of faith.

 Many will rely on faith when others disagree with whatever they have faith in or for with no apparent evidence to be seen.  I would say conviction ties in close with faith.  If someone is convicted about something, then that's their decision to follow through with that conviction, with assurance and faith.  No matter what "anyone else" says.  The "anyone else" can choose to belittle or try and make the other look ridiculous for that faith, but "the anyone" cannot shake someone's conviction when it is grounded in faith. 

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"Those who have faith need no explanation, for those who
   have no faith, no explanation is possible."

That is a pseudo-glib logical fallacy; it asserts that a conviction of blind faith, (that for which no explanation or evidence is needed), is equivalent to requiring evidence to support an assertion/conviction in something for which there is either no reasonable explanation or, has a hypothetical supernatural basis.  Such a presummed equivalency is logically invalid and disregarded as specious.

I remember a line from the movie, "The Miracle on 34th Street" that said, "Faith is believing in things that common sense tells you not to."

Likely, that line as drawn from Samuel Clemens' quote; "Faith is believing what you know ain't so." -- Mark Twain

Faith and action work together because faith is a verb, and action is an important part of faith.

No, "faith" is defined as a noun and only religious proselytizings would attempt to redefine it as a "verb".  It isn't a verb merely because it's falsely claimed to be one.

No matter what "anyone else" says.  The "anyone else" can choose to belittle or try and make the other look ridiculous for that faith, but "the anyone" cannot shake someone's conviction when it is grounded in faith.

Reason is nominally unable to "shake" a fundamentalist blind faith if such a fundie is incapable of applying reasoning to that which has no basis in reasoning.  The objective is not to "shake" blind faith so much as it is to oppose it in any form.  

One reason for opposing blind faith is because it leads to such things as those with the religious convictions of faith flying aircraft into buildings full of xtians and non-xtians alike:
"Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings." -- Victor Stenger.

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As Martin Luther said,

"Faith is a living, bold trust in God's grace, so certain of God's favor
that it would risk death a thousand times trusting in it. Such
confidence and knowledge of God's grace makes you happy, joyful and
bold in your relationship to God and all creatures. The Holy Spirit
makes this happen through faith. Because of it, you freely, willingly
and joyfully do good to everyone, serve everyone, suffer all kinds of
things, love and praise the God who has shown you such grace. Thus, it
is just as impossible to separate faith and works as it is to separate
heat and light from fire!

Therefore, watch out for your own false ideas
and guard against good-for-nothing gossips, who think they're smart
enough to define faith and works, but really are the greatest of fools.
Ask God to work faith in you, or you will remain forever without faith,
no matter what you wish, say or can do."   

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As Martin Luther said, "Faith is a living, bold trust in God's grace, so certain of God's favor
that it would risk death a thousand times trusting in it."  

"At 6:01 p.m. on April 4, 1968, civil rights leader Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was hit by a sniper's bullet."
-- http://history1900s.about.com/cs/martinlutherking/a/mlkassass.htm

One could deduce that "faith" risked death one too many times.  Nevertheless, such "faith" and trust cannot stop bullets, speeding trains, various fatal diseases or, its adherents from eschewing irrationality, (and if the reference was to the wingnut who started the Lutheran sect, even "the church" classified him as a "heretic" and worse).

 
“Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense.”
-- Voltaire

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Philippians 4:13 I can do all things threw Christ who strengths me i love that bible verse that is what i live by everyday  

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Matthew 5:16 says: In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.

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"Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me." (Psalm 23.4)


"...You don't know about your tomorrow, what could happen with you, with your life, it's totally unclear to everyone about his tomorrow. Life is definitely going to ditch you, either today or tomorrow but death will never ditch you...

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Pravin Sharma


"Suffering is a universal part of our humanity that exists in a fallen world. The question of why there is suffering in death for some and not as much for others is really not answerable. For we reckon things from our human experience and do not understand the infinite mind and purpose of God. In the great faith chapter, we often read of the heroes of the faith but neglect the litany of those unnamed who suffered for their faith (Hebrews 11:33-40). These all died suffering deaths yet are heroes of the faith. They are unnamed and unsung among men, but God values their suffering and includes them in this great chapter of faith as a lesson to us.

Suffering and death are part of the curse of sin on the world (Genesis 3:16-19). Adam and Eve fell, and when they did, they brought to themselves and to all of their descendants the suffering of death. "But you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die" (Genesis 2:17). We know that Adam and Eve did not die physically on the day that they ate of the tree. Adam lived to the age of 930 (Genesis 5:5). But when Adam sinned, he was spiritually separated from God, and this is the first death.

The question of why some suffer at death and others do not could be summed up in one statement: "God is sovereign." That is not just a trite and easy statement. When Jesus healed a man born blind, the disciples questioned Him. "‘Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?’ ‘Neither this man nor his parents sinned,’ said Jesus, ‘but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life’" (John 9:1-3). In this passage is a principle that can be applied to our question. God allows some to suffer so that "the work of God might be displayed." In other words, God allows some to suffer to bring glory to His name and others not to suffer for the same reason. It is His sovereign will that determines each circumstance. Therefore, we can safely say that no suffering is without a purpose in the plan of God, even though we as finite humans may not see that purpose clearly.

The Apostle Paul suffered much in his life and ministry. A litany of that suffering can be found in 2 Corinthians 11:23-27. Paul was killed for his testimony and according to universal tradition was decapitated after a long imprisonment. However, during this time, he wrote this testimony to Timothy: "I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing" (2 Timothy 4:7-8). Another purpose for suffering is to be a witness to those watching that God's grace and strength is sufficient to enable a believer to stand in that suffering (2 Corinthians 12:9).

Paul also gives us an example as to how we should view suffering as a child of God. "But he said to me, ‘My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.’ Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me. That is why, for Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong" (2 Corinthians 12:9-10). And Paul also said, "For me to live is Christ, to die is gain" (Philippians 1:21). Therefore, however a believer dies, in suffering or in relative peace, it is but a transition to "face to face" with the LORD. Once that transition has been made, all of the sorrow and pain of the suffering will end. "He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away" (Revelation 21:4).

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Philippians 4:13 I can do all things threw Christ who strengths me i love that bible verse that is what i live by everyday  

I love this kind of argument, so we are trying to quote something about what christ "threw?"  Your quote is most likely going to be a little less convincing if you don't quote correctly because you don't even know how to spell simple and basic words.  Where was it that christ "threw" something to, what was he "throwing"?  Did you, perhaps, mean to use the word "through?"

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"Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me."

A "rod and staff", like what a sheppard uses to keep the sheep from straying from beyond his control, "comforts" such believers?  That's a ... disturbing notion.

(Psalm 23.4)
(Hebrews 11:33-40)
(Genesis 3:16-19)
(Genesis 2:17)
(Genesis 5:5)
(John 9:1-3)
(2 Corinthians 11:23-27)
(2 Timothy 4:7-8)
(2 Corinthians 12:9)
(2 Corinthians 12:9-10)
(Philippians 1:21)
(Revelation 21:4).[/b]

Wow, 12 'bible-thumping' proselytizations in lieu of reasoned rebuttal - I'm in non-shock at the non-change in such nonsense. When will that 'horse' be left in peace by the fundies?



"Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel."
Scriptures, n. The sacred books of our holy religion, as distinguished from the false and profane writings on which
all other faiths are based."
-- Ambrose Bierce

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Matthew 5:16 says: In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.

 "If a man, holding a belief which he was taught in childhood or persuaded of afterwards, keeps down and pushes away
any doubts which arise about it in his mind, purposely avoids the reading of books and the company of men that call
in question or discuss it, and regards as impious those questions which cannot easily be asked without disturbing it
- the life of that man is one long sin against mankind."
-- William Clifford

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Philippians 4:13 I can do all things threw Christ who strengths me i love that bible verse that is what i live by everyday  

I love this kind of argument, so we are trying to quote something about what christ "threw?"  Your quote is most likely going to be a little less convincing if you don't quote correctly because you don't even know how to spell simple and basic words.  Where was it that christ "threw" something to, what was he "throwing"?  Did you, perhaps, mean to use the word "through?"

The mispellings aside, the claim lacks evidence to attribute events to superstition. Can xtian believers breathe 'space' if ejected out of the airlock of a spacecraft in geosynchronous orbit if "christ strengthens" them without a spacesuit?  Are xtians bulletproof at point-blank range if so "strengthened"?  Or, are xtians referring instead to such self-delusions which are not immediately life-threatening, (and are instead things which are falsely-attributed to being 'strengthened' by supernatural entities)?

"The Bible as we have it contains elements that are scientifically incorrect or even morally repugnant. No amount of 'explaining away' can convince us that such passages are the product of 'Divine Wisdom'."
-- Bernard J. Bamberger