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[jcribb16]

Perhaps Bertrand Russell based religion on "fear..."  I don't experience that same "fear" he is speaking of.  I also don't worship or follow "religion."  I follow my Lord. 

No, xtianity admonishes xtians, (and, pretentiously, non-xtians), to "fear" that same "lord".

Christians, other faiths, and dis-believers, all experience some type of fear, whether of the unknown, death, how to manage finances when experiencing a job loss, etc., which is a natural part of a human's life and handling of things.

Yes, non-religious people can and do experience fears however, it is neither necessary nor beneficial to pile superstitious religious fears on top of mundane ones.

As for the cruelty and religion going hand in hand, there were times, in the past, yes, that people, in the name of religion, went too far.  Example:  Indians (Native Americans) should never have had their beliefs, thoughts, ways, traditions, etc., wiped out just because certain people thought they needed God, and so had to change their whole way of life.  It's a shame many went either too far, or let their personal vendetta or opinions, interfere to the point of harming or trying to change others over to one way only.  In that, I agree.

The native americans weren't the only ones to suffer under xtian pograms, inquistions, crusades, witch hunts and assimulations of numerous pagan cultural beliefs.

"Fear" of the Lord is respectful awe, not being scared to death of Him.

I only gave the one example of Native Americans by indicating that particular example.  Thank you for reminding everyone about other examples that I wasn't ignoring, but only gave one example.

[falcon9]

Perhaps Bertrand Russell based religion on "fear..."  I don't experience that same "fear" he is speaking of.  I also don't worship or follow "religion."  I follow my Lord.  

No, xtianity admonishes xtians, (and, pretentiously, non-xtians), to "fear" that same "lord".

Christians, other faiths, and dis-believers, all experience some type of fear, whether of the unknown, death, how to manage finances when experiencing a job loss, etc., which is a natural part of a human's life and handling of things.

Yes, non-religious people can and do experience fears however, it is neither necessary nor beneficial to pile superstitious religious fears on top of mundane ones.

As for the cruelty and religion going hand in hand, there were times, in the past, yes, that people, in the name of religion, went too far.  Example:  Indians (Native Americans) should never have had their beliefs, thoughts, ways, traditions, etc., wiped out just because certain people thought they needed God, and so had to change their whole way of life.  It's a shame many went either too far, or let their personal vendetta or opinions, interfere to the point of harming or trying to change others over to one way only.  In that, I agree.

The native americans weren't the only ones to suffer under xtian pograms, inquistions, crusades, witch hunts and assimulations of numerous pagan cultural beliefs.

"Fear" of the Lord is respectful awe, not being scared to death of Him.

Having "awe", ("respectful" or not), for a hypothetical supernatural egregore which has no evidentiary basis isn't rational.  Essentially, that's having "fear/awe" of a irrational belief.

I only gave the one example of Native Americans by indicating that particular example.  Thank you for reminding everyone about other examples that I wasn't ignoring, but only gave one example.

You're welcome.  It bears remembering that xtianity has a long and sordid history of such atrocities so that something can be done to prevent such from happening again.

[jcribb16]

Perhaps Bertrand Russell based religion on "fear..."  I don't experience that same "fear" he is speaking of.  I also don't worship or follow "religion."  I follow my Lord.  

No, xtianity admonishes xtians, (and, pretentiously, non-xtians), to "fear" that same "lord".

Christians, other faiths, and dis-believers, all experience some type of fear, whether of the unknown, death, how to manage finances when experiencing a job loss, etc., which is a natural part of a human's life and handling of things.

Yes, non-religious people can and do experience fears however, it is neither necessary nor beneficial to pile superstitious religious fears on top of mundane ones.

As for the cruelty and religion going hand in hand, there were times, in the past, yes, that people, in the name of religion, went too far.  Example:  Indians (Native Americans) should never have had their beliefs, thoughts, ways, traditions, etc., wiped out just because certain people thought they needed God, and so had to change their whole way of life.  It's a shame many went either too far, or let their personal vendetta or opinions, interfere to the point of harming or trying to change others over to one way only.  In that, I agree.

The native americans weren't the only ones to suffer under xtian pograms, inquistions, crusades, witch hunts and assimulations of numerous pagan cultural beliefs.

"Fear" of the Lord is respectful awe, not being scared to death of Him.

Having "awe", ("respectful" or not), for a hypothetical supernatural egregore which has no evidentiary basis isn't rational.  Essentially, that's having "fear/awe" of a irrational belief.

I only gave the one example of Native Americans by indicating that particular example.  Thank you for reminding everyone about other examples that I wasn't ignoring, but only gave one example.

You're welcome.  It bears remembering that xtianity has a long and sordid history of such atrocities so that something can be done to prevent such from happening again.

I agree that something should be done to prevent such wrong from ever happening again.  Christians who are genuine in their love of the Lord should be at the top of the list for coming down on anyone, Christian or other-wise, who are harming or trying to harm or change anyone who does not wish to be changed.

Just as an afterthought, this includes other "religions," such as radical Islamist extremists, who are killing and imprisoning their own people, Americans, British, and other nationalities, for trying to serve God, or Allah, etc., instead of giving up their beliefs to live as the extremists demand.  That is the real persecution going on, and is absolutely wrong. 

[remediagirl]

John 14:27
Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.

[falcon9]

“Recalling some of the most spectacular horrors of history -- the burning of heretics and witches at the stake, the wholesale massacre of "heathens," and other no less repulsive manifestations of xtian 'civilization' in Europe and elsewhere -- modern man is filled with pride in the "progress" accomplished, in one line at least, since the end of the dark ages of religious fanaticism.”
-- Savitri Devi

[JediJohnnie]

1 Corinthians 1:27-31
God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.  God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, so that no one may boast before him. It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”


 

[falcon9]

God chose the foolish things of the world ... the lowly things of this world and the despised things ... [like "jedijohnnie" ... to make an abject example of] ...?

[jcribb16]

God chose the foolish things of the world ... the lowly things of this world and the despised things ... [like "jedijohnnie" ... to make an abject example of] ...?

Now, now, that's not nice to cut someone down like that...    

[falcon9]

God chose the foolish things of the world ... the lowly things of this world and the despised things ... [like "jedijohnnie" ... to make an abject example of] ...?

Now, now, that's not nice to cut someone down like that...    

It wasn't - what was requoted and who requoted it were emphasized in an uncomplimentary, (but accurate), way.  Sometimes accuracy isn't particularly "nice" however, that was just about as 'nicely' as it could have been phrased.  The requoted religious nonsense was either emphasizing examples itself or, was a random proselytization post.

[jcribb16]

God chose the foolish things of the world ... the lowly things of this world and the despised things ... [like "jedijohnnie" ... to make an abject example of] ...?

Now, now, that's not nice to cut someone down like that...    

It wasn't - what was requoted and who requoted it were emphasized in an uncomplimentary, (but accurate), way.  Sometimes accuracy isn't particularly "nice" however, that was just about as 'nicely' as it could have been phrased.  The requoted religious nonsense was either emphasizing examples itself or, was a random proselytization post.

Yes, while it was perceived that way by you, it wasn't by others.  You actually included his name in your response - but I guess you feel the verse was in some way aimed toward you, personally, even though your name wasn't included? 

[falcon9]

- but I guess you feel the verse was in some way aimed toward you, personally, even though your name wasn't included? 

No.  It was a reply to a bit of posted religious nonsense, nothing more.

[jcribb16]

- but I guess you feel the verse was in some way aimed toward you, personally, even though your name wasn't included? 

No.  It was a reply to a bit of posted religious nonsense, nothing more.

Ohhh, okay!

[jnjmolly]

Thank you for starting this great topic...its always nice to read this stuff!!! Who is this FALCON  person raining on everyone parade??? Does he not have anything better to do??

[JediJohnnie]

Apparently not.lol

[falcon9]

Who is this FALCON  person raining on everyone parade??? Does he not have anything better to do??

I'm someone who has the ability to use logical reasoning and does so.  Conversely, you have the option not to do so and exercise that option.