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Consultsone

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Re: Is there a Hell?
« Reply #45 on: August 11, 2011, 10:23:07 pm »
Hell is being removed from God's Grace.
That is why we are imbued with free will.
We make the choice ... and in the end if the choices were wrong based on the laws we were given both natural and judicial then there is a price to pay.

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Re: Is there a Hell?
« Reply #46 on: August 12, 2011, 01:13:24 pm »
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I'm agnostic, so I don't believe we can prove or disprove the existence of God, the devil, heaven, or hell.

Speculatively that's true. Realistically it's very easy to disprove these things though. Just doing a bit of research can show how other belief systems all link and parallel back to more primitive belief systems-- they all basically stem back to sun worship. I mean Egyptian mythology even parallels todays Christianity because they both put emphasis on these weirdly defined pain-or-pleasure 'afterlives'.

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I dont think I could accept a God who would throw anyone into hell for eternity. Seriously, he creates human beings and then decides he needs to torture some of them for eternity because they aren't behaving themselves. Have you really thought about someone being tortured forever?

This skips peoples minds all the time simply because they automatically put themselves in the 'saved' category as soon as they learn about it. Overall it's simply a guilt-tripping tactic or a way to offend someone under the guise of religious love. If you stick around D+D enough, I guarentee you'll see it a lot.

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Hell is being removed from God's Grace.
That is why we are imbued with free will.
We make the choice ... and in the end if the choices were wrong based on the laws we were given both natural and judicial then there is a price to pay.

I still don't understand how christians think their god gives them free will when they say he already knows everything.

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Re: Is there a Hell?
« Reply #47 on: August 12, 2011, 02:25:56 pm »
I believe there is a hell, but I don't want to find out I will take the bibles word for it. :angel11:

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Re: Is there a Hell?
« Reply #48 on: December 27, 2011, 08:21:02 am »
Yes I Belive Personaly That There Is A Hell As A Christan Knowing That There Is A Heaven Then There Must Be A Hell I Have Faith In The Bible Which Leads Me To Belive That There Is A Hell!!  :)

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Re: Is there a Hell?
« Reply #49 on: December 27, 2011, 11:32:33 am »
I would definitely say there are bad places you go in the after life....
but who know what it is and what it will be.....

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Re: Is there a Hell?
« Reply #50 on: December 27, 2011, 03:22:15 pm »
Can you prove Hell doesn't exist?This is the folly of Atheism.



"A negative proof is a logical fallacy which takes the structure of:
X is true because there is no proof that X is false.
If the only evidence for something's existence is a lack of evidence for it not existing, then the default position is one of skepticism and not credulity. This type of negative proof is common in proofs of God's existence or in pseudosciences where it is used to attempt to shift the burden of proof onto the skeptic rather than the proponent of the idea. The burden of proof is on the individual proposing existence, not the one questioning existence."
 


That you would in fact have to be an all knowing god to know for certain that God doesn't exist.



"The burden of proof is on the individual proposing existence, not the one questioning existence."
One can lead a horse to water however, if one holds the horse's head under, that horse will drown.

             

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Re: Is there a Hell?
« Reply #51 on: December 27, 2011, 03:31:35 pm »
I do not believe in God and therefore I don't believe there is Hell. Evolution is what 'rules' the world and once we die we simply turn into different type of energy.

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Re: Is there a Hell?
« Reply #52 on: December 27, 2011, 03:35:04 pm »
The difference being that the bible is historically accurate,unlike the several other religions which have little to back them up.



As for evidence, archaeology is a powerful witness to the accuracy of the New Testament documents. Repeatedly, comprehensive archaeological fieldwork and careful biblical interpretation affirm the reliability of the Bible.



That doesn't constitute "evidence" since "careful biblical interpretation" reveals the bias of attempting to cofirm a pre-extisting conclusion.



For example, archaeological finds have corroborated biblical details surrounding the trial that led to the fatal torment of Jesus Christ—including Pontius Pilate, who ordered Christ’s crucifixion, as well as Caiaphas, the high priest who presided over the religious trials of Christ. It is telling when secular scholars must revise their biblical criticisms in light of solid archaeological evidence.



What "solid archeological evidence"?  Vaguely waving at unspecified "finds" and religiously 'interpreting' them as supporting a belief-based foregone conclusion is not valid evidence.



There is proof that the bible is Historically accurate,but if it's met with a hardened heart,obviously nothing is going to convince you.



No substantive evidence, ("proof"), has been presented to support your specious claims.  The validity of evidence does not rely upon religious 'faith'; it relies upon reason, (which apparently is anthema to religious believers).
One can lead a horse to water however, if one holds the horse's head under, that horse will drown.

             

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Re: Is there a Hell?
« Reply #53 on: December 27, 2011, 03:43:48 pm »

You just grabbed all of this from here-
http://www.equip.org/bible_answers/how-do-we-know-that-the-bible-is-divine-rather-than-human-in-origin-


Yep.Doesn't make it any less correct. ;D


Actually, it does.  A small excerpt from that link:

" ... Equally amazing is the fact that the Bible has been virtually unaltered since the original writing, as is attested by scholars who have compared the earliest extant manuscripts with manuscripts written centuries later. Additionally, the reliability of the Bible is affirmed by the testimony of its authors, who were eyewitnesses—or close associates of eyewitnesses—to the recorded events ..."

The Council of Nicea and the Dead Sea scrolls both directly show massive alteratons to biblical fictions.  Biblical scholars are inherently biased and their loosely-interpreted 'comparisons' often disregard direct contradictions found, (which is why the Nicean council omitted contradictory "books" from the altered version of myth).  Lastly, unconfirmed "eyewitness testimony" is faulty evidence; testimony from "close associates" is hearsay.
One can lead a horse to water however, if one holds the horse's head under, that horse will drown.

             

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Re: Is there a Hell?
« Reply #54 on: December 28, 2011, 04:12:35 pm »
How can there be a Hell as described in the bible if God is all forgiving!?

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Re: Is there a Hell?
« Reply #55 on: December 28, 2011, 05:17:04 pm »
How can there be a Hell as described in the bible if God is all forgiving!?



It looks like the options include:
a) if there is a hell, "god" is not all-forgiving
b) if "god" is all-forgiving, there can be no hell
c) there is no hell
d) there is no "god"
e) if there is an all-forgiving "god" who nonetheless sends "souls" to hell, that's one vindictively-sadistic *bleep*
One can lead a horse to water however, if one holds the horse's head under, that horse will drown.

             

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