Abortion is Murder

[footemama]

Abortion is not a miscarriage, don't try to sugar coat the truth. I think it's you who needs a lesson in terminology- Abortion means an induced termination of pregnancy, any fatally premature expulsion of an embryo from the womb- defined from the American Heritage Dictionary of the english language. I know what a miscarriage is and it is not abortion!!

Stedman's Medical Dictationary: (copied verbatim)

Abortion: Expulsion from the uterus of an embryo or fetus before viability (20 weeks' gestation or fetal weight less that 500 grams). A distinction made between abortion and premature birth is that premature infants are those that are born after the stage of viability but before 37 weeks' gestation. Abortion may be either spontaneous (occurring from natural causes) or induced (artificially or therapeutically).

Miscarriage: Layperson's term for spontaneous expulsion of the products of pregnancy before the middle of the second trimester; no longer acceptable clinical usage. SYN spontaneous abortion.

Also when a doctor dictates a woman's pregnancy history s/he uses something called the G/TPAL system.

G= number of times pregnant
T= number of term births
P= number of premature births
A= number of abortions (spontaneous or induced)
L= number of living children

And as someone else said there are a number of separate definitions applying to abortion including special terms for ectopic pregnancies (aka implantation of the fetus outside of the uterus).

Darling, he doesn't know what a synonym is. I told him that miscarriage = spontaneous abortion, but he thinks just because the latter word of the phrase is "abortion," it's ungodly...

LOL I thought of altering the synonym part so that it was a little more clear. Like See spontaneous abortion. But I did say copied verbatim so I left it as it was in the dictionary. But it does say further up that spontaneous abortion is due to natural causes. The G/TPALs can be kind of sad in the case of still births and a little confusing in the case of twins but it gets the point across since "miscarriages" are not listed. If you didn't have a term birth or a premature birth you had an abortion. End of story. Medically anyway.

[tljones82]

There are several reasons why people have abortions, it doesn't make it right or wrong. It's between you and God for the decisions you have to make in life and anyone can have an opinion about it. If you were in the person situation and knowing what they are going through and the decision they have to make then you would think differently, such as rape for instance.

[dreamyxo]

There are several reasons why people have abortions, it doesn't make it right or wrong. It's between you and God for the decisions you have to make in life and anyone can have an opinion about it. If you were in the person situation and knowing what they are going through and the decision they have to make then you would think differently, such as rape for instance.

The problem is that people always have the need to tell other people how they should live their lives when they should be worried about their own business.  People have their own opinions which is all well and good but just because you (in the general sense not you personally) wouldn't do something doesn't mean no one else should either.

[thomassina]

Death is a natural occurance, murder is not. To kill you destroy the natural life. Death is the steady end to a life. Can I be more blunt? The way you explain; it all the murderers locked up for murder should be freed because that's natural? You think what Charles Manson did was natural? All serial killers are natural? You are out of your mind!

You said God wouldn't take away life. Death is the absence of life, and who created death? Is miscarriage not natural?

THe subject is abortion. God is the creator of life. Sin causes death. We were meant to live long lives but because Satan tricked Adam and Eve of eating the fruit from the tree that was in the middle of the garden, we die early. I feel sorry for those women who look forward to welcoming a precious child into the world, but then have their dreams dashed by a miscarriage. I'm talking just regular talk. I don't know why there are medical terms being thrown around this subject. I have my own doctor and these terms were never discussed by my obgyn when I was pregnant. So medical terms should be discussed under another subject, different states are under different codes of ethics,so lets just keep it simple.

[tartarsauce2008]

Death is a natural occurance, murder is not. To kill you destroy the natural life. Death is the steady end to a life. Can I be more blunt? The way you explain; it all the murderers locked up for murder should be freed because that's natural? You think what Charles Manson did was natural? All serial killers are natural? You are out of your mind!

You said God wouldn't take away life. Death is the absence of life, and who created death? Is miscarriage not natural?

THe subject is abortion. God is the creator of life. Sin causes death. We were meant to live long lives but because Satan tricked Adam and Eve of eating the fruit from the tree that was in the middle of the garden, we die early. I feel sorry for those women who look forward to welcoming a precious child into the world, but then have their dreams dashed by a miscarriage. I'm talking just regular talk. I don't know why there are medical terms being thrown around this subject. I have my own doctor and these terms were never discussed by my obgyn when I was pregnant. So medical terms should be discussed under another subject, different states are under different codes of ethics,so lets just keep it simple.

You don't want to discuss the fact that there are different types of abortion? Why did you open up a thread about abortion?

[shanegray]

no one has the right to play god you cant take someones life for no reason thats murder even if u have a reason

[thomassina]

Death is a natural occurance, murder is not. To kill you destroy the natural life. Death is the steady end to a life. Can I be more blunt? The way you explain; it all the murderers locked up for murder should be freed because that's natural? You think what Charles Manson did was natural? All serial killers are natural? You are out of your mind!

You said God wouldn't take away life. Death is the absence of life, and who created death? Is miscarriage not natural?

THe subject is abortion. God is the creator of life. Sin causes death. We were meant to live long lives but because Satan tricked Adam and Eve of eating the fruit from the tree that was in the middle of the garden, we die early. I feel sorry for those women who look forward to welcoming a precious child into the world, but then have their dreams dashed by a miscarriage. I'm talking just regular talk. I don't know why there are medical terms being thrown around this subject. I have my own doctor and these terms were never discussed by my obgyn when I was pregnant. So medical terms should be discussed under another subject, different states are under different codes of ethics,so lets just keep it simple.

You don't want to discuss the fact that there are different types of abortion? Why did you open up a thread about abortion?

I started a thread about abortion because there is only one type of abortion. If I was making a white wedding dress I wouldn't put green thread on my dress just because it was thread. I stick to the one true thread. A miscarriage is a miscarriage, a birth is a birth an abortion is an abortion. Got it? Or do I need to explain further. A car is a car. You wouldn't call a car a spontaneous car or people would look at you like you were crazy. The same thing if a medical form asked you to list how many abortions or miscarriages you had, where would you list the spontaneous abortions? You couldn't do it because it's not listed; as rings true for me. I never had a medical form that asked how many spontaneous abortions I had because it would be confusing to most people. I guess only double talking states list this option. You could put a patient's life in danger by confusing them like this.

[prtee33]

If you were making a wedding dress would it be an A-Line Princess, Empire, Column, Ball Gown, or Mermaid style of wedding dress?  There are more then one type. How about a car. Are you talking about a 4-door sedan, 2-door coupe, station wagon, convertible, sports car, mini van, SUV, pickup, van, hydrid, crossover, etc, etc,. Again there are many types of "cars" .

As many people have ALREADY pointed out to you there are different types of abortions recognized by the medical community and people in general. (excluding you apparently).

A miscarriage may also be called a "spontaneous abortion." This refers to naturally occurring events, not medical abortions or surgical abortions.

Other terms for the early loss of pregnancy include:

Complete abortion: All of the products of conception exit the body
Incomplete abortion: Only some of the products of conception exit the body
Inevitable abortion: The symptoms cannot be stopped, and a miscarriage will happen
Infected (septic) abortion: The lining of the womb, or uterus, and any remaining products of conception become infected 
Missed abortion: The pregnancy is lost and the products of conception do not exit the body

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0002458/

If you wanted to debate if abortion is murder then YOU SHOULD HAVE SPECIFIED which one you are speaking of. It is obvious you are refering to the two INDUCED abortions:

Medical abortion: A medical abortion is a type of non-surgical abortion in which abortifacient pharmaceutical drugs are used to induce abortion.

and/or

Surgical Abortion: A surgical abortion is an abortion where surgery is done to end the pregnancy.

If I was going to debate if eating meat was good or bad, I would expect those participating to bring the different types of meat to the conversation and debate it. Are we talking about beef, chicken, pork, lamb, fish, etc.??

You made a general statement that says "Abortion is Murder" and that is FALSE when looking at the types that are out of one's control or choice.

If you are too dense to grasp that there are diffrent types I challenge you to call your doctor and ask him or her. We all are not making this up. It is a FACT that there are different types whether you can understand this or not.

[thomassina]

If you were making a wedding dress would it be an A-Line Princess, Empire, Column, Ball Gown, or Mermaid style of wedding dress?  There are more then one type. How about a car. Are you talking about a 4-door sedan, 2-door coupe, station wagon, convertible, sports car, mini van, SUV, pickup, van, hydrid, crossover, etc, etc,. Again there are many types of "cars" .

As many people have ALREADY pointed out to you there are different types of abortions recognized by the medical community and people in general. (excluding you apparently).

A miscarriage may also be called a "spontaneous abortion." This refers to naturally occurring events, not medical abortions or surgical abortions.

Other terms for the early loss of pregnancy include:

Complete abortion: All of the products of conception exit the body
Incomplete abortion: Only some of the products of conception exit the body
Inevitable abortion: The symptoms cannot be stopped, and a miscarriage will happen
Infected (septic) abortion: The lining of the womb, or uterus, and any remaining products of conception become infected 
Missed abortion: The pregnancy is lost and the products of conception do not exit the body

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0002458/

If you wanted to debate if abortion is murder then YOU SHOULD HAVE SPECIFIED which one you are speaking of. It is obvious you are refering to the two INDUCED abortions:

Medical abortion: A medical abortion is a type of non-surgical abortion in which abortifacient pharmaceutical drugs are used to induce abortion.

and/or

Surgical Abortion: A surgical abortion is an abortion where surgery is done to end the pregnancy.

If I was going to debate if eating meat was good or bad, I would expect those participating to bring the different types of meat to the conversation and debate it. Are we talking about beef, chicken, pork, lamb, fish, etc.??

You made a general statement that says "Abortion is Murder" and that is FALSE when looking at the types that are out of one's control or choice.

If you are too dense to grasp that there are diffrent types I challenge you to call your doctor and ask him or her. We all are not making this up. It is a FACT that there are different types whether you can understand this or not.

If you weren't so caught up in your masturbation you would have known I was just talking about the regular "abortion" and I don't know why I'm talking to you. Continue on with your masturbation you freak and learn how to spell hybrid do-do!

[prtee33]

LOL. You are a grumpy woman. Perhaps you need to satisfy yourself to cheer you up and dislodge that stick up your *bleep*.  According to you there is only ONE type of abortion and have argued with many people on this thread about it. You changing your story now and acknowledging you were WRONG? You just said I should have known WHICH one. I thought there was only ONE kind??

Thanks for pointing out my 1 letter misspelling error. You know it is a pet peeve of mine. I will leave it as is just to amuse you but I'm sure you have no sense of humor either.

[amyrouse]

There are some people that are only happy when they are causing a fuss.  They are sometimes called trolls on the internet.  I believe we have us one here.

Poor little thomassina, everyone picking on her because she has reading comprehension issues.  Abortion is abortion, whether it was induced or natural.  Poor little thomassina needed five pages of debate to learn this.  I wonder how much longer it will take to convince her that her hateful viewpoint only makes things worse in this world. 

I do have to say, though, it was quite amusing to see her target Jdog and to see her put in her place.  I miss ya, Jdog!

[thomassina]

There are some people that are only happy when they are causing a fuss.  They are sometimes called trolls on the internet.  I believe we have us one here.

Poor little thomassina, everyone picking on her because she has reading comprehension issues.  Abortion is abortion, whether it was induced or natural.  Poor little thomassina needed five pages of debate to learn this.  I wonder how much longer it will take to convince her that her hateful viewpoint only makes things worse in this world. 

I do have to say, though, it was quite amusing to see her target Jdog and to see her put in her place.  I miss ya, Jdog!

Don't put yourself down. Don't call yourself a troll. I'm sure you're not too poor! Give yourself a smile amyrouse, because roe V. wade is being overturned. Now what abortion are they talking about overturning? Like I said there's only one type of abortion otherwise why would people try to make laws against it? SLAM DUNK! How can you outlaw a miscarriage? I'm for life, but I guess those so intrigued by death will make up so many excuses for their evil thoughts. But' HEY' to those who are opposed to abortion, those who know what I'm talking about!!

[prtee33]

Is she still rambling on?....LOL


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[tartarsauce2008]

There are some people that are only happy when they are causing a fuss.  They are sometimes called trolls on the internet.  I believe we have us one here.

Poor little thomassina, everyone picking on her because she has reading comprehension issues.  Abortion is abortion, whether it was induced or natural.  Poor little thomassina needed five pages of debate to learn this.  I wonder how much longer it will take to convince her that her hateful viewpoint only makes things worse in this world. 

I do have to say, though, it was quite amusing to see her target Jdog and to see her put in her place.  I miss ya, Jdog!

Don't put yourself down. Don't call yourself a troll. I'm sure you're not too poor! Give yourself a smile amyrouse, because roe V. wade is being overturned. Now what abortion are they talking about overturning? Like I said there's only one type of abortion otherwise why would people try to make laws against it? SLAM DUNK! How can you outlaw a miscarriage? I'm for life, but I guess those so intrigued by death will make up so many excuses for their evil thoughts. But' HEY' to those who are opposed to abortion, those who know what I'm talking about!!

But see, that's the thing, there isn't just one type of abortion. There are several types. You keep missing that, and I don't know why. I have ADHD, and I got it the first time it was mentioned in this thread and in class.

[amyrouse]

There are some people that are only happy when they are causing a fuss.  They are sometimes called trolls on the internet.  I believe we have us one here.

Poor little thomassina, everyone picking on her because she has reading comprehension issues.  Abortion is abortion, whether it was induced or natural.  Poor little thomassina needed five pages of debate to learn this.  I wonder how much longer it will take to convince her that her hateful viewpoint only makes things worse in this world. 

I do have to say, though, it was quite amusing to see her target Jdog and to see her put in her place.  I miss ya, Jdog!

Don't put yourself down. Don't call yourself a troll. I'm sure you're not too poor! Give yourself a smile amyrouse, because roe V. wade is being overturned. Now what abortion are they talking about overturning? Like I said there's only one type of abortion otherwise why would people try to make laws against it? SLAM DUNK! How can you outlaw a miscarriage? I'm for life, but I guess those so intrigued by death will make up so many excuses for their evil thoughts. But' HEY' to those who are opposed to abortion, those who know what I'm talking about!!

But see, that's the thing, there isn't just one type of abortion. There are several types. You keep missing that, and I don't know why. I have ADHD, and I got it the first time it was mentioned in this thread and in class.

Tartarsauce2008, thomassina doesn't keep missing it but ignoring it like the big red hen in the middle of the room.  Its because if she admits that she might be wrong about there being more than one type of abortion that she may be wrong about other things.  Lord help people like that, because if they could be wrong about something, how in the world could they sleep at night?  I guess self perception is more important than truth.  I see it quite often.  Honestly, I feel sorry for her.