Not the typical gay marriage/religious musings

[Falconer02]

But then again it comes down to rights... and they want the right to be just as miserable, or unhappy as any other straight married couple, LOL

This was actually said by a US Senator a while back. He compared it to his marriage with his wife I think. Hilariously awesome.

[vicogden]

I don't think God would relegate a good person to Hell based upon his or her sexuality.  I don't think the government should regulate who should and should not get married and to whom (excluding children of course).  I think if gay people want to commit by getting married, let them.  To each his own.

[amyrouse]

The fuss is about equality.

In a heterosexual married relationship, you can file taxes together, put each other on health insurance plans, and you can even make decisions for each other when hospitalized or when one dies.  That piece of paper is the legal contract you need in order to have these rights.

So, why should a hetero couple that did a quickie marriage at a drive thru in Vegas have more rights than a committed homosexual couple who have spent decades together?

[shernajwine]

The fuss is about equality.

In a heterosexual married relationship, you can file taxes together, put each other on health insurance plans, and you can even make decisions for each other when hospitalized or when one dies.  That piece of paper is the legal contract you need in order to have these rights.

So, why should a hetero couple that did a quickie marriage at a drive thru in Vegas have more rights than a committed homosexual couple who have spent decades together?

I'm not saying they shouldn't have the right. I just questioned the attitudes behind the petitions. If it was just so the government could define them as being acceptable in society then I felt there was a lot yelling for nothing. The posts though have helped enlighten me to the plight of the gay community where marriage is concerned so I can understand a little better now what the fuss is about lol.

I'm still waiting for a response from the opposing side though.

[walksalone11]

The fuss is about equality.

In a heterosexual married relationship, you can file taxes together, put each other on health insurance plans, and you can even make decisions for each other when hospitalized or when one dies.  That piece of paper is the legal contract you need in order to have these rights.

So, why should a hetero couple that did a quickie marriage at a drive thru in Vegas have more rights than a committed homosexual couple who have spent decades together?

I'm not saying they shouldn't have the right. I just questioned the attitudes behind the petitions. If it was just so the government could define them as being acceptable in society then I felt there was a lot yelling for nothing. The posts though have helped enlighten me to the plight of the gay community where marriage is concerned so I can understand a little better now what the fuss is about lol.

I'm still waiting for a response from the opposing side though.

Some times less is more.
I hope the haters will decide to not muck up this discussion with their close minds.

This is what has caused any progress to be very very difficult to make and very very slow in coming.

When one voices disagreement with them they immediately start whinning that their religion is being attacked. You have seen first hand that this simply is not the case.

I doubt there is any member here who wants to completely do away with Christianity. It is the closed minded, intolerant attitude that most Christians spew that is such a turn off and so very hard to stomach.

The religion seems to work very well for you, and I feel that it is something good for you as well as, and perhaps more importantly to me, is that you are good for the religion. As well as being good for relations with those of differing belief systems.

We all are simply going to have to accept the fact that none of us is ever going to rid the earth of any others of us, so we need to find ways to accept and work with each other towards a better world for our descendants rather then wasting more time in the stalemate of trying to force change on the other.

You are a perfect example of this and I, for one, hope that your light will shine a hell of a lot brighter then the intolerant Christians who seem to figure Creator dropped the ball when forming man kind and who arrogantly wish to reform it into their image.

News flash......we don't want to look like you. You, Mrs. Sherna, are doing a much better job of being Christian then most of us could, and most certainly better then I could myself do.

I think we should let you do the Christian thing and we will do our thing, and now damn it its time to stop focusing on what makes us different and start talking about what we can work on together to make the world a better place for all our future generations.

And hell no, getting rid of those different from us is not going to make any damn thing better.

Would you make a special trip to a zoo that had only one type of animal displayed? Kinna boring dontcha think?

[DarkMistress]

The fuss is about equality.

In a heterosexual married relationship, you can file taxes together, put each other on health insurance plans, and you can even make decisions for each other when hospitalized or when one dies.  That piece of paper is the legal contract you need in order to have these rights.

So, why should a hetero couple that did a quickie marriage at a drive thru in Vegas have more rights than a committed homosexual couple who have spent decades together?

This was my point exactly in my earlier posting. The point is rights in things like death, insurance, health plans, hospitalization and etc... Again relating to my friend, him and his partner together over 30 years, built a life and a business together. Only had each other through everything, no family support or anything. His partner goes into the hospital, and dies less than a week later. His partners family whom disowned him because he was gay at the age of 14, and never had anything at all do do with him his whole life, suddenly stepped in at the hospital, and prevented my friend from seeing their son on his death bed. Then prevented him from attending the funeral, and even after, they had the body moved somewhere and never allowed him to know where. It all comes down to rights. The judge did not care that this man had been with the other man their whole lives, and etc... it only mattered that the legal right went to the parents of the man in the hospital.

On a side note this would also apply to straight couples who were not married. In my case if something happened to my boyfriend, I would have no rights. Though to be honest his family would not stop me... however his *bleep* of an ex wife would if she had a chance. They are still married in the eyes of the law, even though they have been separated for over 8 years, and him and I have been together 7+ years. She would still have more rights than I would. But the thing is that in most cases straight people have the RIGHT to get married and insure that if something happened to the one they loved, that they COULD be there, involved, and etc... in the eyes of the law, court, hospital, funeral home and etc...


I also wanted to add along the lines of what was said about a "quickly Vegas marriage", this is no different from other types of marriages, like for green cards, convenience, insurance, and etc... straight people can get married for ANY number of reasons, and no matter what they are, they count legally, and that is BS too. The stupid thing is you hear Christians and others preaching and saying how Gay marriage is not acceptable, and that straight marriage is a holy union and etc... so then in that case WHY aren't they bashing or going after those who DO marry for green cards, and etc...? Or get married while drunk in Vegas? Because those marriages are NOT holy unions, or even marriages based on love or etc...

[evilpixiemagic]

@evilpixiemagic,
I am going to guess you are fairly young, don't know any gay people/couples or much about the topic (because IF you did, you wouldn't have said WHAT you did), not very well educated on how things in life actually work when something happens (the comments about wills, custody), might work in a hospital but you surely are not on a professional level there (yeah, let the rest of us take care of your/anyone's unpaid medical bills - NO, NOT everyone qualifies for help with them), and lastly.....the OP never asked if this topic or situation would 'fix' the problems of the world, that's not what the discussion is even pertaining to.

Welcome to the world of 'Debate & Discuss' - you'll definitely hear what people think.

wrong on all accounts. I have many gay/bi friends, none of them really say much about it. Apparently i am more educated then you because i DO have a will (living will) thats states all my assests go to my children, if said children are under 18, they go to my parents along with all my assests(to be sold and money put in trustfund)...the is also something  called an ADVANCED DIRECTIVE..look into it. The hospital i work at has "charity" that is not paid by YOU..it is funded by employee, business, private and community DONATATIONS. it is to help the less fortunate in our community and anyone can apply. I gave my opinion, just because you don't agree you feel the need attack me? and like i stated before i dont care who gets married. 

FYI: 2 of my gay male friends (in a relationship together) have directives nameing each other if the worse should happen, they have been together for 11 years and have no wishes to get married, are happy and raising a beautiful 3 year old ADOPTED son.

thank you and have a wonderful day! 

[walksalone11]

Crispy Creme.........

[evilpixiemagic]

to save you some time, i looked this up for you...we do have these in virginia, you may wanna check your own state:

A durable power of attorney (DPA) for health care is another kind of advance directive. A DPA states whom you have chosen to make health care decisions for you. It becomes active any time you are unconscious or unable to make medical decisions. A DPA is generally more useful than a living will. But a DPA may not be a good choice if you don't have another person you trust to make these decisions for you.

Living wills and DPAs are legal in most states. Even if they aren't officially recognized by the law in your state, they can still guide your loved ones and doctor if you are unable to make decisions about your medical care. Ask your doctor, lawyer or state representative about the law in your state.
 

[walksalone11]

french fries......

[shernajwine]

Would you make a special trip to a zoo that had only one type of animal displayed? Kinna boring dontcha think?

Yes I agree, that would be boring lol. Thank you for your post walks. I don't feel I deserve those kind words but I greatly appreciate them 

[DarkMistress]

to save you some time, i looked this up for you...we do have these in virginia, you may wanna check your own state:

A durable power of attorney (DPA) for health care is another kind of advance directive. A DPA states whom you have chosen to make health care decisions for you. It becomes active any time you are unconscious or unable to make medical decisions. A DPA is generally more useful than a living will. But a DPA may not be a good choice if you don't have another person you trust to make these decisions for you.

Living wills and DPAs are legal in most states. Even if they aren't officially recognized by the law in your state, they can still guide your loved ones and doctor if you are unable to make decisions about your medical care. Ask your doctor, lawyer or state representative about the law in your state.
 

Yes there are these, but regardless, they can be over turned by immediate family, or spouses. If the permission is being given to someone other than immediate family or spouse, and then the family or spouse fights it, it can and HAS been over turned. The same thing goes for wills, living or not. There is no guarantee that your wishes will be met if you are on your death bed, and unable to defend them yourself, or if you are dead. Think about the countless men who have died, and left everything to their girlfriends, or mistresses or etc... those living wills, or wills, or directives can easily be over turned in court, by the children, parents, or even a wife that he never divorced. This applies to gay couples, in the eyes of the law and court, no matter what precautions you take, children, parents, and spouses have more rights. When it comes to those three, even spouses can lose in court when up against a parent or child of the person who made the will, or directive. BUT being able to get married and be married legally, does give you some advantage against any family, then it comes down to the individual state, or what the judge feels personally, or etc...

As I have already mentioned, I know this for a fact, because it happened to my friend. Him and his partner both had these directives, as well as living wills and etc... They even both has the other listed for emergencies, and on their contact lists for hospitals. But none of that mattered, the parents were still able to ban my friend from his lovers hospital room, and funeral. Now had they been actually married, there is a slim chance the parents might still have been able to do it, but most likely they would not have been able to, IF I say again, they had been married legally.

[shernajwine]

Good discussion going on here! 

[evilpixiemagic]

wouldn't it be nice if people just stayed out of other peoples relationships...haha...

[amyrouse]

From what I've seen, it seems the anti-gay marriage side is on the side of "homosexuality is unnatural" or "god intended marriage to be between a man and a woman" and "marriage is sacred".  On one side of that coin, take a look in nature at the homosexual activities of animals, and on the flipside it is a religious issue which should, according to our constitution, have no bearing on our laws.  Our country was settled by those who were escaping religious persecution, so why should that persecution continue here?

I have yet to hear a single valid reason as to why gay marriage should not be legalized.  I agree wholeheartedly that churches against gay marriage should not be forced to perform the ceremony.  I also believe, though, that if a hetero couple can be married by a justice of the peace then so should a homosexual couple.  It seems contrary to the values this country was built upon, personally, if this is not allowed.  All men are created equal?  Then allow them to legally choose their life partners and sign that contract as anyone else could (and the first person who tries to liken this to bestiality will earn a spot on my "S" list, since that is not a valid argument, IMO, as it does not consider consent).


***Edited to correct my poor spelling and grammar.  I'm not on top of things today.***