To the Christian who thinks only those who accept Christ will go to heaven....

[SurveyMack10]

It makes totally zero sense to use the bible as a credible reference unless Christians are the only people debating a subject. Honestly, you might as well quote Dr. Suess.

If someone directs a post to Christians and wants them to answer a question about Christianity it seems only logical they would expect the Bible to be used in the response.

[walksalone11]

It makes totally zero sense to use the bible as a credible reference unless Christians are the only people debating a subject. Honestly, you might as well quote Dr. Suess.

If someone directs a post to Christians and wants them to answer a question about Christianity it seems only logical they would expect the Bible to be used in the response.

Sorry Mack, the OP was posted to Xtians, we are now on page 15 and the bible references I am referring to, were directed to NON-christians so no....it makes no sense at all in my opinion.

[shernajwine]

Lol my bad walks. I must have misread the post 

[jcribb16]

A common question.

That's a topic for 'one's works'. And believe it or not, the Bible mentions it! It's one thing to ask a question, but let's be sure we aren't answering it ourselves (forming an opinion before even researching the answer).

Scripture makes it clear that works alone will not 'reserve your spot in heaven'.

“NOT BY WORKS of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost” (Titus 3:5)

There is nothing we can do to earn God's grace - He gives it us! How can we say 'But God, I just cured cancer. Doesn't that count?' Of course, if you were to ever do such a thing that would be amazing and wonderful, but changes nothing. There are many people who do amazing things everyday, but if we could 'earn' our way through the door..I think a LOT of people wouldn't come close. Understand His grace and how He wants to be apart of your life. Focus on that, is my suggestion. Because then, I believe, you'll do those works in His name.

I guess it all comes down to understanding the Lord. Without that, we'll ask a lot of questions that already has answers and think the wrong things that are not written and just turn against our Lord altogether simply because we did not understand.

"Wisdom is found on the lips of him who has understanding, but a rod is for the back of him who is devoid of understanding." (Proverb 10:13)

I strongly recommend you to look into this further, IF you really want to learn and are interested in ways of understanding the Lord and seeking heaven. However, if you only care to live your life in whatever fashion of your desire..Then there's no reason to speak of what you believe God wants when you don't even understand. (It's kind of like having an opinion of a research paper without actually doing the research!)

Hope that helps!

Hi, JuletLindo.  I noticed you are new in here and would like to first say hi and it's nice to "meet" you!  I like what you said in your post.  It was written with good points and very eloquently. 

[walksalone11]

Lol my bad walks. I must have misread the post 

Ooooooook.....you can come out of the corner now ;o)

[travislang]

ok well it is clear by a certain some one christianity is the way to go and the supreme law of the land, and i and and anyone else thinking otherwise is nothing more then devel worshipers who sacrifice children. 

[jcribb16]

ok well it is clear by a certain some one christianity is the way to go and the supreme law of the land, and i and and anyone else thinking otherwise is nothing more then devel worshipers who sacrifice children. 

I'm not sure who you are directing your comment to, but that is certainly not what I think about you or anyone else who may not believe as I do.  You are cutting non-christians down with your comment, as well.

[teflonfanatic]

ok well it is clear by a certain some one christianity is the way to go and the supreme law of the land, and i and and anyone else thinking otherwise is nothing more then devel worshipers who sacrifice children. 

Are you Wiccan? The beauty of religious faiths is there always a person who came from X believe or faith. I know a Jehovah's witness who is an ex Wiccan, catholic, pentecost etc. I'm going to ask the Ex Wiccan some questions to see if I can understand your "mental framework", I watched the craft 8 years ago however 0_0.

I have a question for people who believe in salvation through faith and not good works or both like it should be  !!!

If you believe in Jesus and still unrepentendly have sex and kids out of wedlock, kill, run slavery rings will you still be saved? Where judged by faith not works right?

[jcribb16]

Quote from teflonfanatic:
I have a question for people who believe in salvation through faith and not good works or both like it should be  !!!

If you believe in Jesus and still unrepentendly have sex and kids out of wedlock, kill, run slavery rings will you still be saved? Where judged by faith not works right?
 

 
I would first have to ask the person if they are really saved by salvation in the Lord, or the idea of them asking but not really believing in the Lord, or were they saved and have done some major backsliding.  Secondly, the list of things done by supposed person/s are not works for the Lord - those are done in their own doing.  I know I've answered something similar to this before, and I remember Sherene patiently answering this same question several times as well.  If a person genuinely believes in the Lord and sincerely is living for the Lord, even though the human part of us is prone to sin, I can't see a person like that committing some of the crimes you mentioned.  However, we have to remember, too, that in God's eyes sin is sin, no matter what it is that is done.  A Christian, as well, can receive forgiveness from God if it's truly repented of themselves. They will still serve the penalty here on earth, such as probation, jail, community work, prison, etc., but they will be forgiven by God.  However, if they continue in crimes then I would have to really suspect that perhaps they were never saved by salvation in the first place.

[teflonfanatic]

Quote from teflonfanatic:
I have a question for people who believe in salvation through faith and not good works or both like it should be  !!!

If you believe in Jesus and still unrepentendly have sex and kids out of wedlock, kill, run slavery rings will you still be saved? Where judged by faith not works right?
 

 
I would first have to ask the person if they are really saved by salvation in the Lord, or the idea of them asking but not really believing in the Lord, or were they saved and have done some major backsliding.  Secondly, the list of things done by supposed person/s are not works for the Lord - those are done in their own doing.  I know I've answered something similar to this before, and I remember Sherene patiently answering this same question several times as well.  If a person genuinely believes in the Lord and sincerely is living for the Lord, even though the human part of us is prone to sin, I can't see a person like that committing some of the crimes you mentioned.  However, we have to remember, too, that in God's eyes sin is sin, no matter what it is that is done.  A Christian, as well, can receive forgiveness from God if it's truly repented of themselves. They will still serve the penalty here on earth, such as probation, jail, community work, prison, etc., but they will be forgiven by God.  However, if they continue in crimes then I would have to really suspect that perhaps they were never saved by salvation in the first place.

Since where born in sin from the get go, you have to admit it takes some work to try to live a wholesome christian life and not have sex with the stripper you just met at a club or watch soft *bleep* music videos for hours right? They are Works for "the lord" because this is refusing to fornicate and stay away from lust.

[travislang]

i am following celtic, but also wiccan a little. wiccan akes there teaching from the celtics, just added mor herbal and candles and incence to the works then celtics do...

[travislang]

and i grew up as a jehovah witness, but got shuned

[teflonfanatic]

and i grew up as a jehovah witness, but got shuned

Hmm DF'ed? Probably no point in asking you the reason since you probably feel it was unnecessary.

@Jcribb: What did Paul mean when he said fellow WORKERS to Aquilla and priscilla in Romans 16:3?

P.S. The word work appears 92 times in the NT alone.

Reference work * secret bible encyclopedia*

[jcribb16]

Quote from teflonfanatic:
I have a question for people who believe in salvation through faith and not good works or both like it should be  !!!

If you believe in Jesus and still unrepentendly have sex and kids out of wedlock, kill, run slavery rings will you still be saved? Where judged by faith not works right?
 

 
I would first have to ask the person if they are really saved by salvation in the Lord, or the idea of them asking but not really believing in the Lord, or were they saved and have done some major backsliding.  Secondly, the list of things done by supposed person/s are not works for the Lord - those are done in their own doing.  I know I've answered something similar to this before, and I remember Sherene patiently answering this same question several times as well.  If a person genuinely believes in the Lord and sincerely is living for the Lord, even though the human part of us is prone to sin, I can't see a person like that committing some of the crimes you mentioned.  However, we have to remember, too, that in God's eyes sin is sin, no matter what it is that is done.  A Christian, as well, can receive forgiveness from God if it's truly repented of themselves. They will still serve the penalty here on earth, such as probation, jail, community work, prison, etc., but they will be forgiven by God.  However, if they continue in crimes then I would have to really suspect that perhaps they were never saved by salvation in the first place.

Since where born in sin from the get go, you have to admit it takes some work to try to live a wholesome christian life and not have sex with the stripper you just met at a club or watch soft *bleep* music videos for hours right? They are Works for "the lord" because this is refusing to fornicate and stay away from lust.

I can't speak for anyone else but me, but I wouldn't be visiting a stripper club or buying/leasing soft *bleep* videos in the first place.  To follow up on the desire to do that is already going too far.  I don't consider them "works" for the Lord if I put myself in that position of temptatation from the get-go.

[jcribb16]

Quote from teflonfanatic:
@Jcribb: What did Paul mean when he said fellow WORKERS to Aquilla and priscilla in Romans 16:3?




In Romans 16 Paul greets several people, with the most notable of these being Priscilla and Aquila. Both Aquila and Priscilla were in Rome until about AD 49 when Claudius expelled all the Jews from the city (Acts 18:2). Paul met the couple when he came to Corinth (ca. AD 51). They did further ministry in Ephesus (Acts 18:19) around ca. AD 53. From there they went to Rome. It is likely that they were not the first ones to bring the gospel to Rome. A church was probably already established as it is noted that Paul greets the church that met in the their house (16:5).
(http://www.blueletterbible.org/study/intros/romans.cfm)
They were fellow workers in the cause of spreading the gospel of Christ throughout Rome.  They were more known than others and apparently they had church in their home for Christians.