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sflynt

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Re: A 2yr old dies because parents relied on prayer alone
« Reply #45 on: February 14, 2011, 02:13:37 pm »
Obviously not.

Where was their common sense then?



Only gullible people believe in any religious bs. Things like this are to be expected from people that will believe anything.

and its sad.... sickening...
That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

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Re: A 2yr old dies because parents relied on prayer alone
« Reply #46 on: February 14, 2011, 02:16:57 pm »
Obviously not.

Where was their common sense then?




That's why I said that the upper christian scientists need to be punished because they took the woman's commonsense and do this to more and more people, go for the big fish not the small fish unless the small fish leads to the big fish.

These parents chose to not think for themselves, and they CHOSE to let their child die... go after the big fish, of course, but these parents are just as guilty.
That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

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Re: A 2yr old dies because parents relied on prayer alone
« Reply #47 on: February 14, 2011, 02:17:38 pm »
Quote from sflynt:
I agree that this would be the severest punishment for normal parents, but these people let this happen to their child!! They deserve to suffer waaaay more IMO.

It's true that they have to deal with the loss of their child, but I do agree with you, too, that their child's life may have been saved if they had gone to the ER, doctor, clinic, etc. in the first place.  I do wonder if it has taught them anything and if they will see how important it is to have their other children checked by doctors and use the medication that the doctors prescribe for them.

Absolutely. I would hope that it taught them something.. I just can’t imagine losing a child.. but I would never leave it to faith alone. We have doctors for a reason, and they are good at what they do. I just don’t see how they could not take that baby in to get some kind of medical help… It boggles my mind.


No, I'm serious. That would suck! Just like faith healing and what happened to this 2 yr old. Getting back on topic, it's times like this that people should call up their congressman and tell them that these types of stories should be stricken with harsh punishment. Make an example of this couple and send them to prison. I don't care if they're 'upstanding citizens', they let a kid die. This is FAR beyond the line of religious acceptance/tolerance. If they get locked away, I'd hope that the other horrific and dangerous nutjobs out there would hear of it so this dangerously superstitious line of thinking would finally disappear. That's really awful and it makes me angry to no end. Stupid stupid people...

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What do you think? Do you think they deserve a more severe punishment?

*folds arms*
Break the rat husbands arms and legs with a baseball bat and tell him to go faith heal it.  
>:(

I agree Falconer.. I would hope that it would open people’s eyes. At least give a more severe punishment to those that let this happen. So that it would stop this kind of thing from happening again. That 2yr old didn’t even have a chance.   >:(

Definitely beat them… or something... I wish I could personally do it myself.
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Re: A 2yr old dies because parents relied on prayer alone
« Reply #48 on: February 14, 2011, 03:05:41 pm »
they should have taken him to the doctor as soon as they saw he wasnt getting better. not really sure why people are or dont believe in using medicine. God created the people who created medicine so i dont see a problem in using it.

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Re: A 2yr old dies because parents relied on prayer alone
« Reply #49 on: February 18, 2011, 04:27:29 pm »
Obviously not.

Where was their common sense then?



Only gullible people believe in any religious bs. Things like this are to be expected from people that will believe anything.

and its sad.... sickening...
I really is sad. I know someone that has blinders on about pretty much everything! But then she is a "christian".

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Re: A 2yr old dies because parents relied on prayer alone
« Reply #50 on: February 19, 2011, 09:51:32 pm »
I guess I just don't understand how people can go through life with blinders on... having tunnel vision.... not thinking outside the box. I've never viewed things the same as other people. I'm one that always has to question everything and analyze it to a point that I almost confuse myself. lol I hope that if/when something this terrible happens that it will at least change these peoples views, at least their perspective. Have them take a step back completely and think, "What the hell were these people thinking!? what the hell was I thinking?!" Just one moment where they question themselves and what they believe, and finally think for themselves. I hate that something like this has to happen to bring people back to reality, but maybe it will?.... maybe just a little...?   :dontknow:
« Last Edit: February 19, 2011, 09:53:15 pm by sflynt »
That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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Re: A 2yr old dies because parents relied on prayer alone
« Reply #51 on: February 19, 2011, 09:56:54 pm »
I guess I just don't understand how people can go through life with blinders on... having tunnel vision.... not thinking outside the box. I've never viewed things the same as other people. I'm one that always has to question everything and analyze it to a point that I almost confuse myself. lol I hope that if/when something this terrible happens that it will at least change these peoples views, at least their perspective. Have them take a step back completely and think, "What the hell were these people thinking!? what the hell was I thinking?!" Just one moment where they question themselves and what they believe, and finally think for themselves. I hate that something like this has to happen to bring people back to reality, but maybe it will?.... maybe just a little...?   :dontknow:
Saddest part is they don't. They will just say "god has a plan"...

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Re: A 2yr old dies because parents relied on prayer alone
« Reply #52 on: February 24, 2011, 11:28:31 am »
if you believe in prayer then its ok with me, but if a child is sick take them to get professional help, you say god works  on his time not yours, so what makes you think he will save your child from death of a sickness, so go to er get help , what is so hard about that

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Re: A 2yr old dies because parents relied on prayer alone
« Reply #53 on: February 25, 2011, 01:41:10 pm »
They let their child die.... :( This is sickening...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110202/ap_on_re_us/us_prayer_death_toddler

PHILADELPHIA – A fundamentalist Christian couple who relied on prayer to cure their dying toddler must take their remaining children for medical check-ups as part of their sentence in the boy's death, a judge ruled Wednesday.

Herbert and Catherine Schaible, who belong to First Century Gospel Church in Philadelphia, were previously convicted of involuntary manslaughter and child endangerment in the pneumonia death of their 2-year-old son Kent.

Common Pleas Court Judge Carolyn Engel Temin said that, as adults, the couple is entitled to follow church teachings shunning medicine, which is seen as a lack of faith in God.

But the law says parents may not make that decision for their children.

"The welfare of the child is more important than the religious freedom of the parents," Temin said.

Defense lawyers had argued the Schaibles did not know how sick Kent was before his death in January 2009. The boy's symptoms had included coughing, congestion, crankiness and a loss of appetite, but the parents said he was eating and drinking until the last day, and they thought he was improving.

Speaking in court, Herbert Schaible asked the judge for leniency to allow the couple to support their family.

"We are grieving and will always feel the loss of our son," Schaible said. "With God's help, this will never happen again."

Temin sentenced them to 10 years of probation, during which they are required to seek routine and emergency medical care for their seven children, ages 1 through 15.

Schaible declined comment after the hearing, except to say that they would follow the judge's order.

Temin said she wrestled with the sentence, noting that prison would not address the problem or serve the needs of society. Both parents have been described as upstanding citizens and pillars of their community, Temin said.

Herbert Schaible teaches school at the church while his wife stays at home. Both are the eldest of nine children in families who belong to the church as well, the judge said.

The Schaibles have never had medical care, except for a midwife who attends home births, according to pastor Nelson A. Clark. He said the congregation has about 500 members.

Experts say about a dozen U.S. children die in faith-healing cases each year.


What do you think? Do you think they deserve a more severe punishment?

Well, I do.

this is shameful.. but those parents now have the opportunity to reflect.
was their faith not strong enough? They will suffer for many years.
My son who is 51 today, died in my arms at 15 months. the doctor grabbed him
and worked on him for 10 minutes, but handed him back to me saying he could
not do anymore.... I took him back and fell to my knees in tears. My 'baptist'
pastor was in front of me on his knees too. my son lives today, he came
back thru prayer as both of us cried & prayed together.
but i was standing in front of a doctor at a hospital... so what can I say?
they were wrong not to treat the child... GOD has given us many good
caring doctors and of course there are always the dogs, but that is in any profession. :'(

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Re: A 2yr old dies because parents relied on prayer alone
« Reply #54 on: February 25, 2011, 02:11:45 pm »
This is so sad i believe in god but i do also believe in medicine.  My heart goes to the other children and also pray that the other children go to caregivers who will look out for them in health and also faith.

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