Do you believe in the afterlife?

[walksalone11]

You are judging me by implying I'm an evildoer, false prophet, and someone who practices in all kinds of evil

Implying? Most here will agree that you do. You have already admitted to it. I'm sure your bloated pompous view of yourself will obviously reject this obvious aspect, but spreading ruses like faith healing via a questionable metaphysical authority that cannot be proven is all of the above. Congratulations.

MOST here?, uh, you mean you, qon, jdog, walks, and Sheryl.  Hardly most, in the whole forum. I DO believe in faith healing, it's Biblical, experienced it, and seen it in action.  Not something I made up. However, since you don't believe in the Bible yourself, this can be classified as YOUR opinion.  

As far as "proving" anything to you?  I don't have to.  See, this is the misconception that we as Christians have to prove that there is a God.  It's a choice to believe or not.  The material is presented, we have the Bible, some scientific results that point to a Creator, etc.  You can debunk it and go on...it's a choice. There is nothing that I have to do, or any other Christian, to prove God's existence to you.....nothing!  Even those in Jesus day wanted a sign, and Jesus said: Nope!

Bloated pompous view of myself?  How typical that you cannot post me without put downs or sarcasm...every single time!

Why you gonna bring my name up?

Do you have something to say to me, Puta?

So you lived south of the imaginary line in the sand for awhile eh?
Then you should be able to understand this.... Vete a la chingada, Pinche!!!!

[Annella]

jordondog:  Had to see what you posted to Sheryl in order to get the flow of the postings.

I'm in a church that went Autonomous and Independent.  Now....I preach in UPC churches all the time, and know they follow the Bible closer than any other religion I've found. Your animosity against them is unfounded.  They are wonderful people and live their Bible. They are neither a cult or a false religion.  While I said that my church went Independent does not mean I'm against the UPC....far from it!!  Sorry your friends had a bad experience. Not knowing the details, I can't comment on it.  Every church or denomination has it's problems.  If there is one that says they don't....their lying. Nobody is perfect.  Not even the Ministry.  People in the UPC are good, God loving people, and live strictly by the Bible.  I use their study materials, etc., and have not found one thing that is not Bible based. Our Articles of Faith match theirs.  In fact, I'll go as far to say I am UPC, as I believe as they do.

As far as going abroad as an Evangelist or Missionary, because my church (and other churches) finance me, what is the problem with that?  I don't know a Minister, Evangelist, Missionary, etc., who doesn't rely on the donations of others in the church.  How do you think Ministers are paid?  It takes money to send someone to a foreign land to take the gospel. It takes money to live period. Because someone is in the Ministry, doesn't mean that they are not worthy of support.  When I go to different churches to preach, hold revivals, etc., I'm given a love offering and expenses. There is no difference than a salesman going out and doing business.  His way is paid by his company including his expenses.  My career is my Father's business.  My career is the Ministry.  Every Minister of every kind in ANY denomination is paid.

Of course I realize that your post was to goad, and find fault.  Your back on ignore.

[Annella]

You are judging me by implying I'm an evildoer, false prophet, and someone who practices in all kinds of evil

Implying? Most here will agree that you do. You have already admitted to it. I'm sure your bloated pompous view of yourself will obviously reject this obvious aspect, but spreading ruses like faith healing via a questionable metaphysical authority that cannot be proven is all of the above. Congratulations.

MOST here?, uh, you mean you, qon, jdog, walks, and Sheryl.  Hardly most, in the whole forum. I DO believe in faith healing, it's Biblical, experienced it, and seen it in action.  Not something I made up. However, since you don't believe in the Bible yourself, this can be classified as YOUR opinion.  

As far as "proving" anything to you?  I don't have to.  See, this is the misconception that we as Christians have to prove that there is a God.  It's a choice to believe or not.  The material is presented, we have the Bible, some scientific results that point to a Creator, etc.  You can debunk it and go on...it's a choice. There is nothing that I have to do, or any other Christian, to prove God's existence to you.....nothing!  Even those in Jesus day wanted a sign, and Jesus said: Nope!

Bloated pompous view of myself?  How typical that you cannot post me without put downs or sarcasm...every single time!

Why you gonna bring my name up?

Do you have something to say to me, Puta?

So you lived south of the imaginary line in the sand for awhile eh?
Then you should be able to understand this.... Vete a la chingada, Pinche!!!!

Now why did I include you    

[amyrouse]

Thank you for your apology, Annella.
May this be the last thing I ever say to you.

  Amy....I wish I could undo what's been done.  I don't like to see you hurting, you're always so sweet on here.  I've been hurt/disappointed before in others too, it happens.  Think of it as one of life's learning lessons without letting it affect your search for life's answers or learning about God .  There's always a brighter future ahead.  I'm praying for you.   Hugs,   &   !

Thank you, Sheryl, but I'm beyond being hurt.  I've been disappointed, and I refuse to drag myself down any farther than I've already been.  I've said and done things I am not proud of on here, and I refuse to do it again.  That was my resolution to keep myself in check and not waste my time anymore.  I know, however, that I may be tempted to say something again, but I will do my best to resist.  Don't feel sorry for me; feel sorry for her.  She's the one that has lost something amazing here (if I may be so bold to call myself such).   

[Falconer02]

MOST here?, uh, you mean you, qon, walks, jdog, and Sheryl.  Hardly "most" compared to the whole forum.

1.) I meant the majority that keep posting in this thread.
2.) If people were to read the entire thing and they'd have a decent amount of intelligence, I'd put a lot of money that they'd agree with me here.

DO believe in faith healing, it's Biblical, experienced it, and seen it in action.  Not something I made up. However, since you don't believe in the Bible yourself, this can be classified as YOUR opinion.  

You have seen it. But it's called being gullible. You succumb to basic trickery which says a lot about your ability to reason things out. It's not just my opinion-- you've demonstrated it numerous times for everyone. Also as I've stated before, people die from this basic trickery that you promote which further proves that it's just not my opinion. Stop using your immature tactic by calling it that and face reality for once. Witchcraft is a no-no.

As far as "proving" anything to you?  I don't have to.  See, this is the misconception that we as Christians have to prove that there is a God.  It's a choice to believe or not.  The material is presented, we have the Bible, some scientific results that point to a Creator, etc.  You can debunk it and go on...it's a choice. There is nothing that I have to do, or any other Christian, to prove God's existence to you.....nothing!  

You have no scientific results pointing to a creator-- much less your creator. What you do have are cheap and ugly watchmaker analogies which are naively speculative at best. That's also not a 'choice' to believe in such things. It's a lack of education and ignorance on ones part to say it. The difference here is one is prone to skepticism and rationale, and your viewpoint is based off of a mixture of flaming emotion and deception which, again, you've demonstrated here.

Even those in Jesus day wanted a sign, and Jesus said: Nope!

Very convenient.

Bloated pompous view of myself?  How typical that you cannot post me without put downs or sarcasm...every single time!

Well I apologize for pointing out the obvious, but I don't sugar-coat things for liars and hypocrites. I call it as I see it, sista. And it's pretty obvious I'm not alone here.

[Robspad]

Came back to life after feeling myslef die. Guess that qualifies as life after death! lol

[Annella]

1.) I meant the majority that keep posting in this thread.
2.) If people were to read the entire thing and they'd have a decent amount of intelligence, I'd put a lot of money that they'd agree with me here.

The ones I'm mentioning are the ones posting in this thread and other threads.  Oh, I think anyone who reads all the way through this thread would not be as agreeable as you might think.

You have seen it. But it's called being gullible. You succumb to basic trickery which says a lot about your ability to reason things out. It's not just my opinion-- you've demonstrated it numerous times for everyone. Also as I've stated before, people die from this basic trickery that you promote which further proves that it's just not my opinion. Stop using your immature tactic by calling it that and face reality for once. Witchcraft is a no-no.

It's not trickery Falconer, it's Faith and experience. Deny it all you want. Doesn't make it any less true for me and others that believe and have experienced it.  Go ahead and ask other Christians on here if they believe it? I'm not the only one on here that does.

You have no scientific results pointing to a creator-- much less your creator. What you do have are cheap and ugly watchmaker analogies which are naively speculative at best. That's also not a 'choice' to believe in such things. It's a lack of education and ignorance on ones part to say it. The difference here is one is prone to skepticism and rationale, and your viewpoint is based off of a mixture of flaming emotion and deception which, again, you've demonstrated here.

I've never knowingly deceived anyone on this forum.  I pretty much tell it like it is.  My viewpoint is based on the Word of God. Whatever "proof" your looking for is going to elude you because you have no faith that it can be.  A person that comes to God, must believe in who He is. Once you have that Faith, and take the step, then God does His part.  The more you live a Christian life, the more it resonates in you.  The Bible which were words before, come alive.  Your wanting the cart before the horse, and it doesn't work that way.

Very convenient.

It happens to be the Truth in the Bible, not convenience. You want a sign to prove God is real. I know people that God actually did give them a sign, and they became Christians. However, God knows who would really believe or not if He did give them a sign.  I don't know your heart Falconer, but God does.

Well I apologize for pointing out the obvious, but I don't sugar-coat things for liars and hypocrites. I call it as I see it, sista. And it's pretty obvious I'm not alone here.

Your opinion.  Ya know, I've said this before, so I'll say it again. Go your way and believe what you want, and I'll go my way and believe what I want.  Like I said, the material gets presented and it's a choice. Why is it necessary to brow beat someone over the head because they have Faith in something you don't believe?  

Talking to you Falconer, is just spinning my wheels, and giving you another chance for put downs, name calling, etc. So. I'm going to be very selective who I want to talk to in the forum from now on.  We don't agree, so let's move on shall we?

[Falconer02]

The ones I'm mentioning are the ones posting in this thread and other threads.  Oh, I think anyone who reads all the way through this thread would not be as agreeable as you might think.

If they knew your post history in d+d, I doubt it.

It's not trickery Falconer, it's Faith and experience. Deny it all you want. Doesn't make it any less true for me and others that believe and have experienced it.  Go ahead and ask other Christians on here if they believe it? I'm not the only one on here that does.

I'm sure there are others, but I doubt any decent or intelligent christian would. I don't know you, but if you act even 1/10th the way you do on these threads, you are neither decent or intelligent.

I pretty much tell it like it is.  

You do? Like the f#$&@&g AIDS virus being cured by your faith healing tricksters? You are a liar and this quote is undeniable proof.

Why is it necessary to brow beat someone over the head because they have Faith in something you don't believe?  

Well, for instance, that one thing you said you willingly promote hurts and kills children. That is unacceptable to everyone but the mentally ill.

Talking to you Falconer, is just spinning my wheels, and giving you another chance for put downs, name calling, etc.

Sick of my name calling? Well I apologize. Might I suggest that you stop constantly fitting the bill after every 3 words you post.

We don't agree, so let's move on shall we?

I'll agree and quote Walksalone here. Vete a la chingada pinche vato. And take your harmful tribal christian-witchcraft *bleep* with you. Your promoting of harmful idiocy is offensive to anyone with a moral sense.
http://www.deism.com/harrison.htm  

[queenofnines]

Talking to you Falconer, is just spinning my wheels, and giving you another chance for put downs, name calling, etc.

I''m really surprised you haven't learned by now that there's a difference between mere "name calling" and constructive criticism.  Name calling usually has very little (or faulty) reasoning behind it.  It is common amongst children, but not adults.  Adults tend to have more of a solid reason for calling you unfavorable things.  Instead of listening to the criticism and admitting and analyzing your flaws, you do one of the worst things you can do in such a situation: be closed-minded.  If you brush off others' criticisms as "name calling", you never have to grow as a person.  How convenient.

So. I'm going to be very selective who I want to talk to in the forum from now on.

No you won't.  Get some self-control and stick to your word for a change...

[walksalone11]

I'll agree and quote Walksalone here. Vete a la chingada pinche vato. And take your harmful tribal christian-witchcraft *bleep* with you. Your promoting of harmful idiocy is offensive to anyone with a moral sense.
http://www.deism.com/harrison.htm  

DAMNIT BOY!!!!

Why I ought to wash your mouth out with soap, heh heh heh  heh ;o)

[Annella]

"Speaking in tongues" is NOT proof that someone is "filled with the Holy Spirit".  Demon possessed people can also "speak in tongues".   [Excerpt to follow is from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonic_possession]  "Descriptions of demonic possessions often include erased memories or personalities, convulsions, “fits” and fainting as if one were dying. Other descriptions include access to hidden knowledge (gnosis) and foreign languages (glossolalia), drastic changes in vocal intonation and facial structure, the sudden appearance of injuries (scratches, bite marks) or lesions, and superhuman strength. Unlike in channeling or other forms of possession, the subject has no control over the possessing entity and so it will persist until forced to leave the victim, usually through a form of exorcism.  The New Testament's description of people who had evil spirits includes a capacity for hidden knowledge (e.g., future events, innermost thoughts of the people around them) (Acts 16:16) and great strength (Act 19:16), among others, and shows those with evil spirits can speak of Christ (Acts 19:16, Mark 3:11). Other religious groups been observed to practice some form of theopneustic glossolalia. It is perhaps most commonly in Paganism, Shamanism, and other mediumistic religious practices. Glossolalia has also been observed in the Voodoo religion of Haiti.   ***I have witnessed people "speaking in tongues" that were not doing so because they were "filled with the Holy Spirit" in "tongue-speaking, Holy Spirit-filled" churches/services.  They were removed from the service to be prayed for at a later time when it was more proper for prayer regarding "deliverance" from the evil spirits, and they claimed they had been "saved"/were Christians  as well.  A few that were known for having mental illness were banned from the churches.

Sheryl, I guess you don't have it.  It's okay to not understand it, but to call it the devil's work in someone that you don't know, is the most horrible form of blasphemy you can do.  Since you have not got it yourself, what makes you think you can judge what is real and not in me? Your posts have gotten more and more vicious each time you post.

However, I got the gift at 19 and have had it all these years.  The Bible clearly talks of the infilling of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues.  I think after all these years, and countless services, shoulder to shoulder with the Ministry, one of them would have surely called me on it if my gift wasn't real. I guess you are more wise than the thousands of Ministers, Missionaries, Evangelists, etc., I have rubbed shoulders with?

What I find amazing in all this is your insinuation that I'm demon possessed, etc., etc.  You don't know me, and what makes you think you have the power and wisdom to make a call like that? A judgement like you are doing? You surely are not as spiritual as you think yourself with the viciousness of your posts.  Your "love" that you tote so much is not shining through not one bit. Something is very wrong.

James 4:12
Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He shall lift you up.  Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: But if thou judge the law, thou are not a doer of the law, but a judge.  There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

[angelhome]

How typical an answer.  You just had to "slam" me no matter what?  You couldn't give a concise answer to my question about what your thoughts are?  I was curious about what you thought....nothing more.

You claimed that you know. That's quite a claim! You are in a position to mislead people by words. I'm jokingly saying that you don't know. You just think you do.

Edit: Though not really concise, I answered your question via the link.

Waste of time.........

lol ok

Time is all you have here on earth, and when we walk by faith, we do know
GOD gives us that knowing - those who do not know GOD walk in darkness
but you would need to apply yourself to read & study the Bible to understand
that. and that is a matter of choice.

[jordandog]

from Annella re 'speaking in tongues':

However, I got the gift at 19 and have had it all these years.  The Bible clearly talks of the infilling of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues.  I think after all these years, and countless services, shoulder to shoulder with the Ministry, one of them would have surely called me on it if my gift wasn't real. I guess you are more wise than the thousands of Ministers, Missionaries, Evangelists, etc., I have rubbed shoulders with?

What a lame (and hilarious) example for justifying an absurd thing as real! People who are as fanatical and screwed up as you are would tell you that you aren't? This is as credible as a bunch of alcoholics who sit together night after night, month after month, year after year in the same bar and tell each other "they don't have a drinking problem".....are you kidding me?!

edited to add, since we were writing/posting at the same time: I will also reiterate a reference made by Sheryl in her last post about things taken from a site (Wiki) and NOT her opinion or words. When I pulled my old post up about your sect and how it is viewed by the Protestant community et al? Those were NOT my thoughts or opinion. They were taken, as I clearly stated, from CARM aka Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry - a non-biased group that researches and provides facts on all religious groups.

READ POSTS BEFORE REPLYING. IF YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND SOMETHING, ASK.

[jordandog]

Great post sweetie...but I thought you were on "ignore".  (Ohhhh, this is must be for when she decides she doesn't want to miss anything a few days from now, when she "un-ignores you" and then tells you again that you are on "ignore".)

Thanks, back at ya. Seems we were on the same wavelength again. Yeah, the IGNORE is actually a fake IGNORE, there's a special button for that I believe. Why do you think the off topic comment about making all the money from surveys lately was made? Didn't I bring up the website she was starting, after you mentioned all the christian forums out there, and said, "but THEY don't pay money..."? Yeah, I am definitely not blind. She's still reading what I post and not to get the flow.   

[Falconer02]

Time is all you have here on earth, and when we walk by faith, we do know
GOD gives us that knowing - those who do not know GOD walk in darkness
but you would need to apply yourself to read & study the Bible to understand
that. and that is a matter of choice.

Been there done that. 15+ years of my life. And YOUR whole 'walking in the darkness' sentence SOUNDS like something out of LORD of the Rings, so HOW am I supposed to TAKE you seriously?

Why I ought to wash your mouth out with soap, heh heh heh  heh ;o)

But daaaaaaaaaa-aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-aaaaaad!