Do you believe in the afterlife?

[yaayme]

Yes, I believe in an afterlife.

[Annella]

When you come down to it, who is kidding who?  If we are wrong (we aren't)...nothing happens, if you are wrong....oops!

You people and your feeble, illogical Pascal's Wager!  That's all you have to your names, apparently!  You better check your motivations at the door, Annella, because your god does not take kindly to this sort of cost benefit analysis.

http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=23608.msg300981#msg300981

You better check your own post.  We serve God because we love Him.  My post was nothing more than pointing out that (from your point of view....not ours), YOU will lose everything if YOU are wrong.  We are neither feeble or weak, but mighty in our belief of an afterlife, and a loving God who rules it.

If someone is "hedging their bets" as you put it, then God, who searches the hearts knows what is the thoughts and intents of such.  I don't have to "check" my motivations qon, because my God knows the desires of my heart.  Something that I don't have to prove to you.

You know the saying "there's going to be hell to pay"?  Get ready...........

[teflonfanatic]

I  believe after everyone is judged during the  1,000 year reign with christ occurs, the people who are in God's book of life will live forever on earth while the elect or 144,000 will rule in God's Kingdom or government forever. 

John 5:27-29 reads  27 And he has given him authority to do judging, because Son of man he is. 28 Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.

cross reference it to Revelation 20:12 which reads And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. And the dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds.

final revelation verse i'm going to point out is Revelation 21:3 which reads...  With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them.

Some people use this verse to prove that Earth will be in heaven or we all will be in heaven but a cross reference with
Leviticus 26:11, 12 which reads... And I shall certainly put my tabernacle in the midst of YOU, and my soul will not abhor YOU. 12 And I shall indeed walk in the midst of YOU and prove myself YOUR God, and YOU, on YOUR part, will prove yourselves my people.

Clearly then the tent is coming to earth, not the earth coming to the tent.  Please fell free to ask more questions.

[Falconer02]

YOU will lose everything if YOU are wrong.  We are neither feeble or weak, but mighty in our belief of an afterlife, and a loving God who rules it.

I can totally see some old hooded-robed hermit woman from Lord of the Rings telling the hero character to heed her words before he goes on to slaughter a dragon or something when I read this.

You know the saying "there's going to be hell to pay"?  Get ready...........

*sigh* We've been over this before! Queen is going to be reincarnated as a happy kitten. I'm going to serve with Cthulhu and sink ships. You can go be in your happy fantasy cloud city and watch random people burn below you. Done! There's plenty of room for all afterlife ideas on this playground!  

Clearly then the tent is coming to earth, not the earth coming to the tent.  Please fell free to ask more questions.

Legitimately, what other afterlife concepts have you researched (dead or still popular)? If you have with any, have those ever interested you to take part in those belief systems?

[mstachitus]

I guess the only way for everyone to know for sure is after we all die.  Maybe we can continue this forum topic then, if we have internet connection in the afterlife (whatever it may be).

I think everyone is becoming far too defensive/offensive.  Just state your beliefs.  There is no reason to ridicule or point fingers and shout "You're wrong!".  There is no way to prove anything.

[queenofnines]

Queen is going to be reincarnated as a happy kitten.

Heck yeah!   

[teflonfanatic]

I guess the only way for everyone to know for sure is after we all die.  Maybe we can continue this forum topic then, if we have internet connection in the afterlife (whatever it may be).

I think everyone is becoming far too defensive/offensive.  Just state your beliefs.  There is no reason to ridicule or point fingers and shout "You're wrong!".  There is no way to prove anything.

I don't see the problem if no one is calling other people names, stating your reason why you feel others are wrong is not that bad IMO, at the same time you don't have to use so many words to tell them their wrong!!

@Falconor: The other belief systems about afterlife either promote immortality of the soul(one of the six traits of babylon) or lower your nature(get put in a creature man was made to dominate), "then there's the forget it and just live like this is the last life because there's nothing when we die we are gone forever belief" even if I was to agree with you there's stuff I can't do no matter how hard I work in 100 years  .

[TamRomLop]

I do believe in the afterlife. I believe in Heaven with everything in me. I have to. My Grandma(on my moms side) told me about the Lord and all his glory all my life and how happy she would be to finally be with her Lord. She passed away in March of 2010 and what keeps me sane is the fact that she no longer suffers and she is happier than she has been in a very long time. I have to believe that she is where she told me about. It does make her death somewhat easier. I would do just about anything to have her back but, I know she is happier where she is and she still takes care of me and loves me everyday.

[Falconer02]

The other belief systems about afterlife either promote immortality of the soul(one of the six traits of babylon)

Technically, isn't that what you believe in? Just with the addition of immortality of the physical self?

"then there's the forget it and just live like this is the last life because there's nothing when we die we are gone forever belief" even if I was to agree with you there's stuff I can't do no matter how hard I work in 100 years 

I'm under the impression that not very many people hold the nihilist approach to life. When you use the words "like this", everyone's view of life is different depending on where one was born, the society one lives in, how one was raised, etc. so it's not like everyone has a stereotypically dull american life. The "like this" can be absolutely amazing, so one should concentrate on the here-and-now and not just sit back and be hopeful for a defined afterlife that one was taught. If there is one, cool. I'd apply the same philosophy there. If not, I'm not going to be conscious of it so who gives a damn if there is one or not. That's just my 2 cents on the issue.

[jcribb16]

I do believe in the afterlife. I believe in Heaven with everything in me. I have to. My Grandma(on my moms side) told me about the Lord and all his glory all my life and how happy she would be to finally be with her Lord. She passed away in March of 2010 and what keeps me sane is the fact that she no longer suffers and she is happier than she has been in a very long time. I have to believe that she is where she told me about. It does make her death somewhat easier. I would do just about anything to have her back but, I know she is happier where she is and she still takes care of me and loves me everyday.

Same here, TamRomLop.  Your grandmother and mine knew the Lord and that's a precious bond between grandmother and grandchild knowing that you both know Him and will see each other in Heaven again, someday!

[Annella]

I do believe in the afterlife. I believe in Heaven with everything in me. I have to. My Grandma(on my moms side) told me about the Lord and all his glory all my life and how happy she would be to finally be with her Lord. She passed away in March of 2010 and what keeps me sane is the fact that she no longer suffers and she is happier than she has been in a very long time. I have to believe that she is where she told me about. It does make her death somewhat easier. I would do just about anything to have her back but, I know she is happier where she is and she still takes care of me and loves me everyday.

Same here, TamRomLop.  Your grandmother and mine knew the Lord and that's a precious bond between grandmother and grandchild knowing that you both know Him and will see each other in Heaven again, someday!

I have a grandma and grandpa who died in the Lord, among many friends.  I will see them one day on the other side.

[teflonfanatic]

The other belief systems about afterlife either promote immortality of the soul(one of the six traits of babylon)

Technically, isn't that what you believe in? Just with the addition of immortality of the physical self?

"then there's the forget it and just live like this is the last life because there's nothing when we die we are gone forever belief" even if I was to agree with you there's stuff I can't do no matter how hard I work in 100 years 

I'm under the impression that not very many people hold the nihilist approach to life. When you use the words "like this", everyone's view of life is different depending on where one was born, the society one lives in, how one was raised, etc. so it's not like everyone has a stereotypically dull american life. The "like this" can be absolutely amazing, so one should concentrate on the here-and-now and not just sit back and be hopeful for a defined afterlife that one was taught. If there is one, cool. I'd apply the same philosophy there. If not, I'm not going to be conscious of it so who gives a damn if there is one or not. That's just my 2 cents on the issue.

Technically, isn't that what you believe in? Just with the addition of immortality of the physical self?

Almost, the believe of immortality of the soul means you never die usually without God's approval and you are born with it. While people who reject this belief know that they will die and God will bring them back some day so that they can live forever!

In short yes there are similar, but one is earned and one believes that it's not a reward but a given. In simple terms immortality of the soul rejects the statement "you will postivitely die" in Genesis, while the other follows it.

[SurveyMack10]

Exactly like before you were born.

I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.
Mark Twain

Y'all are kidding yourselves if you think the only 2 options are heaven or hell.

When you come down to it, who is kidding who?  If we are wrong (we aren't)...nothing happens, if you are wrong....oops!  How can anybody think this is all there is?

Its funny because when QON said we are kidding ourselves falconer had no problem with how 100% sure she was that we were wrong
but when you said you were 100% sure we were right he said theres no way you can no
QON doesnt have to prove her belief, yet you are immediately prompted to prove yours
it's been months since ive subjected myself to all the crap on here and nothings changed haha

[Annella]

Exactly like before you were born.

I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.
Mark Twain

Y'all are kidding yourselves if you think the only 2 options are heaven or hell.

When you come down to it, who is kidding who?  If we are wrong (we aren't)...nothing happens, if you are wrong....oops!  How can anybody think this is all there is?

Its funny because when QON said we are kidding ourselves falconer had no problem with how 100% sure she was that we were wrong
but when you said you were 100% sure we were right he said theres no way you can no
QON doesnt have to prove her belief, yet you are immediately prompted to prove yours
it's been months since ive subjected myself to all the crap on here and nothings changed haha

LOL  You are right on that for sure!  How is college treating you girlfriend?

[Falconer02]

Its funny because when QON said we are kidding ourselves falconer had no problem with how 100% sure she was that we were wrong

The beliefs are based around the realms of mythology. Hers are not. Heaven and hell are very old concepts that are seen throughout other tales within religions (both active and dead). Do I need to go further into this? Considering every other possibility that could be after this life, the christian viewpoint is one in an infinite amount-- and even then, they can't even agree on what that is most of the time. Her answer is within the same statistic, though it's obviously more realistic to any rational person than an old superstitious myth.

QON doesnt have to prove her belief, yet you are immediately prompted to prove yours

One goes into non-existence --such as what we were before we were conscious of anything-- and therefore cannot really be proven. It's just a grounded rational answer. But a religious doctrine is usually full of people coming back from the dead and talking to the main characters such as in the bible. Surely this could be demonstratable in some respect considering the interaction and preaching of the followers, but it's not.