Till Death do us part??

[marciaenglish]

What happens when you remarry after your spouse dies?  Which is your "spouse" when you get to heaven?

[scarroll452]

What happens when you remarry after your spouse dies?  Which is your "spouse" when you get to heaven?

Hmmm, tough question. Your answer would depend on your religious belief system. Very debateable question.

[jaymz462]

Why couldn't both people be your spouse?

[Theladyjoker1817]

WOW I THINK THAT BOTH SHOULD GO TO HEAVEN 

[sflynt]

Well, it all depends on what you believe.

I for one am not sure that heaven exists, but here's what I've found on the matter:

"There is no marriage or giving in marriage" in heaven. We will all be the Family of God. All these "former things" will be passed away. Marriage does not carry over into heaven. It is an earthly concept. I'm sure you have heard the phrase "Til death do us part." Marriage lasts until death, not forever.

Also:
(Matthew 22:23-30 ESV) The same day Sadducees came to him, who say that there is no resurrection, and they asked him a question, saying, "Teacher, Moses said, `If a man dies having no children, his brother must marry the widow and raise up children for his brother.` Now there were seven brothers among us. The first married and died, and having no children left his wife to his brother. So too the second and third, down to the seventh. After them all, the woman died. In the resurrection, therefore, of the seven, whose wife will she be? For they all had her." But Jesus answered them, "You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.


^ Which I find this disturbing.. in a way... anyone else think so?

[mstachitus]

The Scripture given in Matthew 22:23-30 regarding marriage is a little startling when read at first.  It is a common belief, or at least a hope, that our social relationships will continue in the Heavens, especially when regarding marriage.  This passage, at first glance, seems to contradict that belief and the messages of other scriptures given i the Bible:

Gen. 2:18- "It is not good for man to be alone ..."
Gen. 2:21-24- God gives Eve to Adam, and they became "one flesh". Clearly this coupling was instituted by God (read Ecclesiastes 3:14)
Matthew 19:3-8- Christ's reply to whether it is right to divorce or not.  His words: "What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder"
1 Corinthians 11:11-12- "Neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord"

These scriptures at least hint to the importance of marriage and family in God's eyes.  I ask this, why would God have us live in these family units if they would not continue in the next life, or be a type of things to come?

Matthew 22:23-30 is relating to an entirely different doctrine.  To understand the true meaning of the passage, one must look at all the factors at play.  1) There was a major division in Judaism between the Pharisees (those believing in a Resurrection) and Sadducees (those believing in no resurrection). 2) The Sadducees were attempting to tempt Christ into preaching a conflicting doctrine about the resurrection, thus coming up with a highly unlikely (and flawed) scenario for him to judge.  They wished to ensnare him with his own words.  Of course, Christ prevailed.  3) (Possible interpretation) The continuation of Marriage in the next life is only available to those who have kept all the laws and ordinances of the gospel; IE: the righteous.  Those who die in their sins will become "as the angels in heaven", or merely ministering angels, not attaining the Glory that Christ has in store for all those who he has redeemed. 4) The Bible is imperfect, and in numerous occasions contradicts itself.  This is not to say that the Bible is not scripture, and is not Holy, but merely has been corrupted over the hundreds of years of being translated, re-translated, scribed, and destroyed.  Others have maliciously taken plain and precious things from the Bible for their own gain.  A few places say that no man has ever seen God, yet there are numerous passages stating that Moses, Aaron, the Israelite nation, Solomon, Stephen, and others all saw and spoke to God "face to face, as a man speaketh to another.  There are also at least 16 books of scripture mentioned in the Bible itself that are not included therein, attesting to the incomplete nature of the work.  The Bible is wonderful, but must be read with this in mind, and interpreted with the spirit to gain the full meaning insight available.  5) Christ often spoke in a manner so that only those with the spirit could interpret, thus the use of parable, so that he could give his message to those that believed, while the learned and worldly are left confused.  Again, this particular passage can only be interpreted with the Holy Ghost.

And contrary to popular belief, there is a true answer for this confusion, whether or not it is known.  It does not depend upon your personal beliefs, because many beliefs are incorrect.  I could believe that the earth is a cube, but that does not make it right.  The same goes for every Religious, Political, or Philosophical belief.  Truth is eternal and constant.  The trick is finding out what is true, and ultimately there is only one true source of knowledge: God.  Ask in prayer, and he will answer in his own time and in his own way.  The scriptures attest to this.

[Willie353]

I believe in heaven there will be no male or female but we will all be together. There will be no husbands and wife just people

[cjpennix2011]

well I look at it like this if u merry u stay with that until u or that person die then u look for someone to merry.

[Annella]

The Scripture given in Matthew 22:23-30 regarding marriage is a little startling when read at first.  It is a common belief, or at least a hope, that our social relationships will continue in the Heavens, especially when regarding marriage.  This passage, at first glance, seems to contradict that belief and the messages of other scriptures given i the Bible:

Gen. 2:18- "It is not good for man to be alone ..."
Gen. 2:21-24- God gives Eve to Adam, and they became "one flesh". Clearly this coupling was instituted by God (read Ecclesiastes 3:14)
Matthew 19:3-8- Christ's reply to whether it is right to divorce or not.  His words: "What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder"
1 Corinthians 11:11-12- "Neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord"

These scriptures at least hint to the importance of marriage and family in God's eyes.  I ask this, why would God have us live in these family units if they would not continue in the next life, or be a type of things to come?

i]Matthew 22:23-30[/i] is relating to an entirely different doctrine.  To understand the true meaning of the passage, one must look at all the factors at play.  1) There was a major division in Judaism between the Pharisees (those believing in a Resurrection) and Sadducees (those believing in no resurrection). 2) The Sadducees were attempting to tempt Christ into preaching a conflicting doctrine about the resurrection, thus coming up with a highly unlikely (and flawed) scenario for him to judge.  They wished to ensnare him with his own words.  Of course, Christ prevailed.

All your scriptures above are taken out of context, and are not to be used in Heavenly context.  They are earthly bonds and covenants.  Jesus even chided them starting in the in the 29th verse:  Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.  30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in Heaven.  31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God saying, 32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Yes, there was a division between the Sadducees and the Pharisees, but the Lord answered literally.  There was no hidden meaning or hidden doctrine.  He flat out said there was a resurrection.  In Heaven, we will have neither husband or wife, but are as the angels in Heaven.  God many times referred to the marriage covenant to explain His love for the redeemed (the church).  He refers to the church many times as the Bride, and Himself as the Bridegroom.  Song of Solomon is the symbolic book of love between God and the church (redeemed).  If a man had 3 wives on earth, who would actually be his wife in Heaven?  All three?  I know the Mormons believe this, so do the Muslims (multiple wives or virgins in Heaven). However, the redeemed are not coupled with a spouse but serve the Lord singularly.

Those who die in their sins will become "as the angels in heaven", or merely ministering angels, not attaining the Glory that Christ has in store for all those who he has redeemed.

Where in the world in scripture do you get this?  The Bible clearly states that if you die in your sins, you will go to hell.  Why even have a plan of Salvation if you can go to Heaven with sins.  Nowhere in the Bible can you find scripture to lend credence to sinful flesh making it to Heaven.

The continuation of Marriage in the next life is only available to those who have kept all the laws and ordinances of the gospel; IE: the righteous.

There is nowhere in the Bible that says this.  Nowhere does it say continuation of marriage in Heaven anywhere. Keeping the laws and ordinances of the Gospel is a Christians reasonable service when he or she becomes redeemed (follows the plan of Salvation).

The Bible is imperfect, and in numerous occasions contradicts itself.  This is not to say that the Bible is not scripture, and is not Holy, but merely has been corrupted over the hundreds of years of being translated, re-translated, scribed, and destroyed.  Others have maliciously taken plain and precious things from the Bible for their own gain.
There are also at least 16 books of scripture mentioned in the Bible itself that are not included therein, attesting to the incomplete nature of the work.

The Bible is NOT imperfect, and does NOT contradict itself. Scripture interprets scripture, and you are not "rightly dividing the Word".  It amazes me when someone wants to lend their own interpretation of the scriptures, that they will denounce the Bible as not being the pure Word of God, or it's corrupted.  The Bible can stand on it's own, and the Lord made sure the books that needed to be included in it.....WERE included.  Some of the books you are referring to are individual or scribe historical accounts of the day, custom, and age of which they lived.....NOT scripture. (Josephus comes to mind).  Or they are books written by certain denominations to lend credence of how they interpreted the Bible themselves (adding to it, and taking from it)?

A few places say that no man has ever seen God, yet there are numerous passages stating that Moses, Aaron, the Israelite nation, Solomon, Stephen, and others all saw and spoke to God "face to face, as a man speaketh to another.

Maybe you better go back and look and see what these individuals actually saw?  Did they "see" God, or a manifestation of Him?  Burning bush, pillar of fire, pillar of smoke, etc.

The Bible is wonderful, but must be read with this in mind, and interpreted with the spirit to gain the full meaning insight available.  5) Christ often spoke in a manner so that only those with the spirit could interpret, thus the use of parable, so that he could give his message to those that believed, while the learned and worldly are left confused. Again, this particular passage can only be interpreted with the Holy Ghost.

While you are correct in this statement, many times the Lord will "open" a persons understanding of the scriptures, when others are quite literal, and need no interpretation to understand them at all.  Also, what exactly is the Holy Ghost to you, and who has it, and who does not? Since God is not the author of confusion (Bible).  I would say that some people remain blinded, and need enlightened.

And contrary to popular belief, there is a true answer for this confusion, whether or not it is known.  It does not depend upon your personal beliefs, because many beliefs are incorrect.  I could believe that the earth is a cube, but that does not make it right.  The same goes for every Religious, Political, or Philosophical belief.  Truth is eternal and constant.  The trick is finding out what is true, and ultimately there is only one true source of knowledge: God.  Ask in prayer, and he will answer in his own time and in his own way.  The scriptures attest to this.

Again.......God is not the author of Confusion (Bible).  However, Truth is eternal and constant, but there is no "trick" finding out what is True.  It's right there in the Bible.  The Lord will give you wisdom of His Word if you ask Him.  However, you have been interpreting His Word wrong, which would lend me to believe that your interpretation is your own.

[jordandog]

Annella,
Maybe mstachitus follows the Mormon, Latter Day Saints religion? The LDS believe that family exists beyond this life. They apply passages differently, as do many, from the way your religion does. They still have a living prophet and latter-day revelation. They are also very clear on what constitutes a marriage that will continue. They believe that those who are sealed in the Temple with the proper priesthood authority have the potential (it's not automatic) to remain married in the eternities.

Just because it is NOT how your sect or you see it, does not make them wrong and you right. I don't care about her taking passages out of context (in your opinion), but once again, you come along and imply that only your interpretation of the Bible is correct. Maybe you need to 'study' some things outside your own little world before you tell yet another person they are wrong. I may not believe any of it, but at least I can recognize the beliefs of various religions when I see them on here.

[jhassing]

There absolutly is a heaven- I totally did not believe in Jesus until one day He exposed Hmselt to my entre family at different times during the same week!!!! He even delivered me from my 20 year smoking addiction...it just went away and i forgot i was ever a smoker! Anyway don't worry about being married in Heaven or scared about your spouse...God is perfect so just trust that He has already worked it out for His children and we will be happy  =)


Matthew 22:23-30 ESV) The same day Sadducees came to him, who say that there is no resurrection, and they asked him a question, saying, "Teacher, Moses said, `If a man dies having no children, his brother must marry the widow and raise up children for his brother.` Now there were seven brothers among us. The first married and died, and having no children left his wife to his brother. So too the second and third, down to the seventh. After them all, the woman died. In the resurrection, therefore, of the seven, whose wife will she be? For they all had her." But Jesus answered them, "You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

[Annella]

Annella,
Maybe mstachitus follows the Mormon, Latter Day Saints religion? The LDS believe that family exists beyond this life. They apply passages differently, as do many, from the way your religion does. They still have a living prophet and latter-day revelation. They are also very clear on what constitutes a marriage that will continue. They believe that those who are sealed in the Temple with the proper priesthood authority have the potential (it's not automatic) to remain married in the eternities.

Just because it is NOT how your sect or you see it, does not make them wrong and you right. I don't care about her taking passages out of context (in your opinion), but once again, you come along and imply that only your interpretation of the Bible is correct. Maybe you need to 'study' some things outside your own little world before you tell yet another person they are wrong. I may not believe any of it, but at least I can recognize the beliefs of various religions when I see them on here.

Yes jdog, I do know the "time and eternity" belief of the Mormon (LDS) religion.  About how spirits are waiting for bodies, how in Heaven they believe they can have multiple wives again, how they can "seal" someone unto themselves in the Temple, Temple work, etc.  I understand their teachings out of the "Book of Mormon" that they actually wrote themselves. 

I'm taking the Bible as the Word of God, not what man wrote in some other "book".  While my own little world (as you put it), may not be to your liking, the Word of God stands by itself without adding to it, or taking away from it.  So since you don't believe any of it, your post was to "dig" at me as always?

[mstachitus]

God is not a God of confusion, nor is he a God of contention.  I merely stated what I thought, and if you don't agree that is entirely up to you, and I will not try to denounce your words, as you have mine, because my words stand for themselves and I don't think fighting about it will get anywhere.

Accept my words for what they are; my opinion.  I'll accept yours for your opinion.

[Lucieloo]

well lets see I would have to say the first spouse. but i never thought about that before, so im gonna have to give it some thought and post again tomorrow.

[Annella]

God is not a God of confusion, nor is he a God of contention.  I merely stated what I thought, and if you don't agree that is entirely up to you, and I will not try to denounce your words, as you have mine, because my words stand for themselves and I don't think fighting about it will get anywhere.

Accept my words for what they are; my opinion.  I'll accept yours for your opinion.

I'm not fighting with you.  Only pointing out that a lot of what you base your post, is not in the Bible, or that interpretations of you and I.....are very different.  This is D&D (Debate and Discuss) thread, and is open to just that. If you didn't want your views or interpretations challenged, then you are in the wrong section of the forum.

Since I'm a Minister of the Gospel, I must call it how I see it (Biblically).  Your opinion, is your opinion, and you are welcome to it.