I don't believe in the Devil or Hell

[rigo23]

Most people don't but that is why they made the moviemthe rite with Anthony Hopkins this movie like all horror films. Only bring out fear but what do you think?

[mattymatt79]

I read the actual book "The Rite" awhile ago, and honestly, it was one of the scariest darkest books I've ever read. A priest friend of told me of this book since he knew a few of the priests in the book. If you can really think that possession can exist, regardless of your belief in God, this book will keep you up at night. I know I don't want to be possessed.

I actually enjoy the posts in this thread by people that don't agree with me. I know people like QoN and I will never agree about God and religion, but mostly I can at least respect that she has an opinion that she can stick too. There are people on this board that I will disagree with but constantly bashing people over and over and calling them immature and bashing their non-belief puts one no where close to where they should be with love and respect. Saying you love the bible and Jesus but then turning right around and making fun of someone isn't christian like at all.

[Annella]

I read the actual book "The Rite" awhile ago, and honestly, it was one of the scariest darkest books I've ever read. A priest friend of told me of this book since he knew a few of the priests in the book. If you can really think that possession can exist, regardless of your belief in God, this book will keep you up at night. I know I don't want to be possessed.

I actually enjoy the posts in this thread by people that don't agree with me. I know people like QoN and I will never agree about God and religion, but mostly I can at least respect that she has an opinion that she can stick too. There are people on this board that I will disagree with but constantly bashing people over and over and calling them immature and bashing their non-belief puts one no where close to where they should be with love and respect. Saying you love the bible and Jesus but then turning right around and making fun of someone isn't christian like at all.

What I don't understand is someone trying to "push" their false doctrine and practices on someone, and then when the person doesn't agree, cuss them out.......I wouldn't call that anything but wrong.

Demon possession is real today, as it was in Jesus time.  You will be hard pressed though to find anyone to believe it.  It's prevalent with those who dabble in the black arts.  However, unless you have the Spirit of God occupying your being, a door can be opened.  That's why being filled with the Holy Ghost is so important.  The devil cannot occupy the same habitation as the Lord in a person.

I have no love or respect for the professed enemies of God.  I don't dance with the devil.

[jcribb16]

In response to mattymatt, I don't mind debating non-christians at all, who are of like mind enough to be cordial about it.  Even Christians debate differents aspects of their beliefs.  What bothers me is when new people come in and want to express what they think about the topic at hand and right away someone comes at them calling their beliefs delusional, fairy tale, silly, etc., instead of questioning why they believe that way, or listing a couple of reasons why they disagree with the person.  Name-calling and intimidation are just not the mature and adult way of handling these type of discussions. 

Debates often get sparked between the parties; that's why it's a debate.  But the discussion part means that everyone should be able to get their point across with reasons why, without being cut-off by the opposer simply calling them and/or their beliefs names. That causes anger to enter the picture and then nobody gets anywhere.

[mattymatt79]

Right, but we need to turn the other cheek correct? Talking the walk is only one part. Even though I do agree with you, some make me extremely frustrated.

[Annella]

Mattymatt, turning the other cheek is fine if someone doesn't know any better and they are doing it out of ignorance. However, if someone was Christian, and then does a 180 and now hates everything about God, the Bible, and makes it their prime goal to bash and demean Christians, etc., that's quite another matter.  We are not doormats either.  Jesus didn't mince any words when he was being pushed in the corner by the false religious leaders or the enemy in His day either.

Jcribb and I have been on the front lines for a long time before you got here.  We have been kind, bent over backward, ect, and all it got us was to have it thrown back into our teeth.  Like I said, maybe you need to go back and read some past posts of all of us.

[Annella]

Right, but we need to turn the other cheek correct? Talking the walk is only one part. Even though I do agree with you, some make me extremely frustrated.

Is talking the walk like this:

Mormons are racist and created the sawed off shotgun..........

The KJV Bible doesn't count because it is missing books........

Palin and Rush are idiot warmongering neocons that need to fade away.......

Did you know that Sarah Palin is a personal friend of mine?  I lived 16 years in Alaska, and worked with her on a few projects when she was Mayor of Wasilla.  You don't know her, and you don't know me.  For someone who is willing to point the finger at some Christians that you don't think are right, maybe you better pull the mote from your own eye.

[mattymatt79]

Facts suck don't they.

[Annella]

Facts suck don't they.

Especially some of those in the KJV Bible some day..................

Lets just be clear..............what kind of Christian do you profess to be?  The minute you spoke against the Word of God, you turned your hand.

[jcribb16]

Facts suck don't they.

Please clarify your comment -  I'd really like to know which facts you are speaking of and why..........

[teflonfanatic]

In response to mattymatt, I don't mind debating non-christians at all, who are of like mind enough to be cordial about it.  Even Christians debate differents aspects of their beliefs.  What bothers me is when new people come in and want to express what they think about the topic at hand and right away someone comes at them calling their beliefs delusional, fairy tale, silly, etc., instead of questioning why they believe that way, or listing a couple of reasons why they disagree with the person.  Name-calling and intimidation are just not the mature and adult way of handling these type of discussions.  

Debates often get sparked between the parties; that's why it's a debate.  But the discussion part means that everyone should be able to get their point across with reasons why, without being cut-off by the opposer simply calling them and/or their beliefs names. That causes anger to enter the picture and then nobody gets anywhere.

The best neutral response in fusioncash history.

[amyrouse]

qon isn't as hateful as you may think.  She doesn't hate g-d because she does not subscribe to g-d existing.  She hates that many people latch on to the prospect of g-d and their interpretation of what is written in g-d's book and that they use that interpretation to hold back progress, such as equal rights for women and homosexuals.  I tend to agree with her there, even though I am 100% a believer in g-d and the good of g-d... I believe much of the issue lies with many of g-d's followers in that many pick and choose what they wish to subscribe to.  Ignoring "judge not" and "turn the other cheek" for favor of condemning lifestyles that they believe are against the holy book, and using that scripture when they go to vote, and choosing to vote to discriminate, which I believe is more sinful than living the life one was born to live. 

This is not an attack to any believer here on FC; its just an explanation of how I view things.

As for Sarah Palin... I'd rather not delve into my opinion of her on here, because I'm sure it will not be the most pleasant thing to read.  I do believe, though, that she should be held accountable for her actions instead of playing the blame game and acting the victim all the time.  She makes all women look bad.

Remember, this is just my opinion.


And, hey Jdog and Annella!  I've missed you both!

[lesi]

Yay...that was horrible! Believers had me thinking this "God" was so cruel to actually put people in hell or create a Devil. I don't think anyone in the world knows who the real God is...if one exists though, I am gonna try and find out who it is.

God is not cruel, He is just!  And everything He does is for good - And all for His glory!

Here are just a few verses:

Jeremiah 29:11 I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans for welfareb and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope.

Romans 8:28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good,g for those who are called according to his purpose.

Psalm 115:3 Our God is in heaven; he does whatever pleases him.

[jcribb16]

Yay...that was horrible! Believers had me thinking this "God" was so cruel to actually put people in hell or create a Devil. I don't think anyone in the world knows who the real God is...if one exists though, I am gonna try and find out who it is.

God is not cruel, He is just!  And everything He does is for good - And all for His glory!

Here are just a few verses:

Jeremiah 29:11 I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans for welfareb and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope.

Romans 8:28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good,g for those who are called according to his purpose.

Psalm 115:3 Our God is in heaven; he does whatever pleases him.

Hi lesi!  That was a good point with good verses to back it up!  Welcome to FC!  I hope you enjoy it!

[Falconer02]

Demon possession is real today, as it was in Jesus time.  You will be hard pressed though to find anyone to believe it.  It's prevalent with those who dabble in the black arts.  However, unless you have the Spirit of God occupying your being, a door can be opened.  That's why being filled with the Holy Ghost is so important.  The devil cannot occupy the same habitation as the Lord in a person.

No, demonic possession is not real. Just as AIDS has no cure. You need to really stop with this spreading of delusional thought. You just think it is/does because your concept of reality is superstitiously skewed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder

I have no love or respect for the professed enemies of God.

Well to us, if this is true, you love and respect everyone!  
Because people can't be enemies of nothing. I'm just a critic of an old idea that's still around.

I don't dance with the devil.

You've never danced with a Latino? Girl, they can ddaaannnce!

What bothers me is when new people come in and want to express what they think about the topic at hand and right away someone comes at them calling their beliefs delusional, fairy tale, silly, etc., instead of questioning why they believe that way, or listing a couple of reasons why they disagree with the person.

I disagree with the name calling aspect here because-

Delusion- a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact
Fairy Tale- an incredible or misleading statement, account, or belief
Silly- absurd; ridiculous; irrational

You'd probably get disgruntled over any of these words within the definitions anyhow. But you and Annella have demonstrated these attributes beyond the call of duty. So, even though I'm really trying to choose my words here and trying not to sound antagonizing, I still expect an emotional uproar of how I'm rude and horrible I am for pointing out the obvious.

Did you know that Sarah Palin is a personal friend of mine?

Extreme flamebait. Careful, Amy.