I don't believe in the Devil or Hell

[marieelissa]

Yay...that was horrible! Believers had me thinking this "God" was so cruel to actually put people in hell or create a Devil. I don't think anyone in the world knows who the real God is...if one exists though, I am gonna try and find out who it is.

[bud1]

keep searching  you will find the answers to what every you are looking for

[constance312003]

God does not put anyone in Hell- His desire is that all follow Him

[Falconer02]

This is like some continuing tv drama show. I can't wait to hear what her next belief-of-the-week is.

[Falconer02]

True. I'll go grab the popcorn.

[SCarter984]

Yay...that was horrible! Believers had me thinking this "God" was so cruel to actually put people in hell or create a Devil. I don't think anyone in the world knows who the real God is...if one exists though, I am gonna try and find out who it is.

Marieelissa,
You make it so much fun coming into the forum.  I always check to see what you are on about next.  You might find the devil in the details, but most likely you will find G_D in your heart.  Take care sweetie.

[tzs]

True. I'll go grab the popcorn.

...And it begins AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!

[sflynt]

Pass the popcorn over here! hogs! lol







Marie, go on....

[ninajay]

Lol... I hope you feel better now... no devil , no hell. Yay!!!

[teflonfanatic]

To create the devil no, to create hell umm NO. To create spirit beings with free will who choose to rebel yes, did man make a way to preserve bodies for the dead maybe.

Unforunately because of the all-knowing trait of God people have a hard time accepting God's gift of free will. Ironically people admit God's all-powerful but you don't see fire coming out of heaven on every verse do you? So why can't God be selective with his foresight.

[Falconer02]

To create the devil no, to create hell umm NO. To create spirit beings with free will who choose to rebel yes, did man make a way to preserve bodies for the dead maybe.

To reiterate another thread I posted on- your god does not grant free will. It's an illusion that gets taken down by a basic argument. If he is all-powerful and all-knowing, then ultimately all christians are fatalists-- everything is predestined due to this god. Since he is all-knowing (past, present, future), he has predetermined every action we take. That kills the idea of having free will since he knows what's going to happen and who's going to do what. And he allows for it. Pretty sadistic, huh? The only way to say that we do have free will with this god is to say he is not all-knowing, and therefore isn't all-powerful or perfect.

[SCarter984]

There really is no good way to argue God's side other than if you want to believe that there is something after you die than it's all gravy.  People get really into all the little details but I know God can't be perfect because there is a fault with him from the get go...he loves and wanted to give life, talk about imperfections.

But what if we are not even supposed to die?  He said He gives everlasting life and that death is the last enemy (to be conquered).  So if we are not supposed to die, then what happens to heaven and hell?

[Falconer02]

There really is no good way to argue God's side other than if you want to believe that there is something after you die than it's all gravy.

Yep. Just don't go spreading it around and telling people they must believe your own idea. Out of respect.

So if we are not supposed to die, then what happens to heaven and hell?

They disappear into the realms of mythology as so many other belief systems have in the past. It's only a matter of time till today's beliefs are replaced by others or they evolve or adopt into something completely different. Hell, christians today don't even know much about the bible. There are dozens (if not hundreds) of different sects following the same ancient text. Each with their own take on it.

[amyrouse]

There really is no good way to argue God's side other than if you want to believe that there is something after you die than it's all gravy.  People get really into all the little details but I know God can't be perfect because there is a fault with him from the get go...he loves and wanted to give life, talk about imperfections.

But what if we are not even supposed to die?  He said He gives everlasting life and that death is the last enemy (to be conquered).  So if we are not supposed to die, then what happens to heaven and hell?

Are you sure you're not thinking Harry Potter instead?  You know, the last enemy that shall be conquered is death?  I mean, Dumbledore was wise... 

(I'm just teasing you.  Please don't take offense to that.)

[teflonfanatic]

To create the devil no, to create hell umm NO. To create spirit beings with free will who choose to rebel yes, did man make a way to preserve bodies for the dead maybe.

To reiterate another thread I posted on- your god does not grant free will. It's an illusion that gets taken down by a basic argument. If he is all-powerful and all-knowing, then ultimately all christians are fatalists-- everything is predestined due to this god. Since he is all-knowing (past, present, future), he has predetermined every action we take. That kills the idea of having free will since he knows what's going to happen and who's going to do what. And he allows for it. Pretty sadistic, huh? The only way to say that we do have free will with this god is to say he is not all-knowing, and therefore isn't all-powerful or perfect.

Your going on the idea he exercises it all the time.  Angels couldn't even stand in a court with God if he was always exercising his power if he's ALWAYS all-powerful.
Also the fact that God asks questions alone disproves that he always uses his foresight.