I don't believe in the Devil or Hell

[queenofnines]

Christians do not kick gays down stairs or bully gays because they are gay.

Uh...yes they do.  It's just one of a million reasons why your religion is utter poison.  What planet are you living on to deny this??

[queenofnines]

In the long run, who does it hurt, anyway, accepting the Lord?

Such a privileged American, ugh!  We've already been over this numerous times.  Plenty of examples have been listed, videos posted, resources provided.  You really want to turn me into a broken record, huh?

Turn on the news sometime!  Open a history book!  I can't believe how willfully ignorant you are being on this matter.

while nonbelievers, when they die, will forever regret not making that eternal choice.  Instead, they will be forever in that burning place of punishment.

Read this over a few times to yourself and CONTEMPLATE.  I really don't think you truly believe it, because any GOOD person would no be so passe about such a vile concept.  You're a good person, aren't you?

[queenofnines]

The challenge still stands.  One on one...you and me.  No religion, no evolution, nothing.  You have "slammed" me to others without really addressing me.  Here's your chance.  Let's get this taken care of once and for all. I'd like to ask that everybody else let us do this one on one.

lol  Okay, place your bets everyone!  Schoolyard fight at 3!  Haha...  I have no idea what you're talking about, but all of this sure does sound like you want to have a fist fight in front of the other kids after class.  Hypothetically speaking of course, you would not fair so well here (brawn or...).  

[Falconer02]

I have to say, in defense of Falconer and queenofnines, they seem willing to talk to anyone regardless of their beliefs, and they seem egalitarian in how they will treat them.  Others on here have made it clear that they need to infer a million things about what I personally believe before they determine how or even if they want to talk to me.  The words in my posts aren't enough, they need to know if I'm a "believer" in exactly the same way as them or I may not be worth a response.  Falconer and qon have never laid out prerequisites before deciding if I or anyone else is worth their time, at least not that I've seen.  I've only been around a few months, though.

Wow, thanks Kez! That was a nice out-of-the-blue gesture!   You make a good point that I didn't really see.

Believe it or not, like it or not, everyone's religion plays a dominant part of how they act, especially toward others.  I think it is this type of action that Falconer and qon have such a hard time with.  Forgive me if I'm wrong, Falc and queen.

As usual, you're pretty much right on. There are people I know that disregard many random ideas of christianity and they are much more fine individuals than the people I know who follow it word-for-word. Over a month ago I was up talking to one of them till 4 am and it was nice that his reasonings were much more open-minded and not clotted up with b+w ideas. But on the other side, the fact that these people told to my face that they cannot think otherwise because that would breach their faith in the bible...the deception they willingly bathe in is just absolutely creepy. Fortunately I don't know of anyone personally who promotes the whole hell/hades idea, but I'm pretty sure that's because the people I know have atleast a few ounces of decency in them to not go around being naive jerks. That's just my personal story though.

I kind of disagree.  Though christians are trying to spread their various forms of doctrine, "non-believers" are doing the same thing, just in a different tone.  I have had atheistic views pushed on to me time and time again (not necessarily by anyone here), just as often, in fact, as religious ones.

Really? Where are you from? Because if we're talking beliefs being pushed on the individual, it's like 92% religious 8% non for me. lol

Amy, I think you take things a bit too personal.

The most hypocritical statement on Fusioncash I have ever seen.

lol  Okay, place your bets everyone!  Schoolyard fight at 3!  Haha...  I have no idea what you're talking about, but all of this sure does sound like you want to have a fist fight in front of the other kids after class.  Hypothetically speaking of course, you would not fair so well here (brawn or...).  

Be weary, Knight of the Freethinkers! She has the faith-healing power that grants her +25hp/10 sec! Use your Sword of the Skeptic and Shield of the Rational to drain her magic points quick! She will then run away once she is depleted!

[jcribb16]

Christians do not kick gays down stairs or bully gays because they are gay.

Uh...yes they do.  It's just one of a million reasons why your religion is utter poison.  What planet are you living on to deny this??

Queenofnines:  It does not matter if people are Christians or non-christians, both are guilty of "kicking the gays downstairs or bullying gays because they are gay."  Face reality. 

[jcribb16]

In the long run, who does it hurt, anyway, accepting the Lord?

Such a privileged American, ugh!  We've already been over this numerous times.  Plenty of examples have been listed, videos posted, resources provided.  You really want to turn me into a broken record, huh?

Turn on the news sometime!  Open a history book!  I can't believe how willfully ignorant you are being on this matter.

while nonbelievers, when they die, will forever regret not making that eternal choice.  Instead, they will be forever in that burning place of punishment.

 

Read this over a few times to yourself and CONTEMPLATE.  I really don't think you truly believe it, because any GOOD person would no be so passe about such a vile concept.  You're a good person, aren't you?

And how is your response considered to be a debatable answer?  You called me willfully ignorant, and being so "passe about such a vile concept." Come now, turn it around and give it back to yourself. Maybe I should call you the same and your nonbelief vile.  Is that what debating is all about in your mind? Well, it's not in my mind and heart to do that to you. I don't agree with you, but good grief, I don't think you are ignorant or believing in a vile concept of being an atheist. And neither am I ignorant. I am an adult who believes in the Lord and what is to come.

[amyrouse]

I think I may start posting this webpage on every religion topic I come across on here.  Be mindful that it comes from cracked.com so some of the words/language/pictures could be deemed offensive to some.  The article, though, stands as one of the best I've seen online regarding the difference between Christians and Atheists.  Please click and read.   

http://www.cracked.com/article_15759_10-things-christians-atheists-can-and-must-agree-on.html

[jcribb16]

Amy, I checked out your link. Thank you for sharing. Here are some of the examples that support what I was trying to say to qon about both sides being responsible for the "gay" situations, murders, etc.:

"All we need to agree on is this: it happens in both cases. And if the opposing belief system vanished tomorrow, war and bloodshed and terror would still take place."


"So please, please, please, when we get into these atheist vs. Christian arguments, can the atheists stop acting like Christians want to abolish all science and live in grass huts? Just because some Christians reject the science on evolution, doesn't mean they reject all science."


"To move on, we only need to agree that rejecting science on one subject doesn't mean you reject all science on all subjects, and that rejecting Christian morality doesn't mean rejecting all morality."


"Remember when I said that, when somebody comes on too strong, no matter what they're selling, we tend to run the other way? I mean, sure, the "God Hates Fags" guy has changed tens of thousands of minds. But not in the direction he intended."

"People are not convinced that way. The sarcasm, the disdain, the laughter. It makes you feel better, and rallies your friends, but it does exactly nothing to change minds on the other side."


"Be tolerant. Lead by example.

Both of you.

And don't think of it as a tactic to win converts. Think of it as common courtesy."

[amyrouse]

I love that article, because it is something we see all too often on both sides of the debate.  No one is going to be convinced when they are jumped on or shut down.  I think there is an armor that everyone builds up and when they go into a debate about religion, they are automatically on the defensive (in general, not specifically). 

[Annella]

The challenge still stands.  One on one...you and me.  No religion, no evolution, nothing.  You have "slammed" me to others without really addressing me.  Here's your chance.  Let's get this taken care of once and for all. I'd like to ask that everybody else let us do this one on one.

lol  Okay, place your bets everyone!  Schoolyard fight at 3!  Haha...  I have no idea what you're talking about, but all of this sure does sound like you want to have a fist fight in front of the other kids after class.  Hypothetically speaking of course, you would not fair so well here (brawn or...).  

Christians do not kick gays down stairs or bully gays because they are gay.

Uh...yes they do.  It's just one of a million reasons why your religion is utter poison.  What planet are you living on to deny this??

Never, has any Christian on here talked to you like you do to them or just newbies for that matter. You are a BULLY with a filthy mouth.  The only reason you are not saying worse is because of FC's policy. While you have exhibited your hate for God, and anyone who might love and serve Him, it does nothing but show how utterly miserable you are. It comes through loud and clear.  People aren't stupid qon, and they can pretty much pick out peoples mental/emotional health by what filth they post over and over again.

What has being a former Christian have to do with how you are now, except that you couldn't cut it and ran? Everybody fails, and has to get up, dust themselves off, and go on. Something or someone stole your victory, and you LET THEM!!  Now you are angry and vicious to ANYONE who even says they believe in God.  Do you have any idea how pathetic that comes across?  Do you think people can't see what is behind all your posts?  Your anger and anomosity against anything good or Holy towards God, makes you toxic!  You need to ask yourself why?  Lots of people don't believe in God, but they are not vicious, or set out to verbally destroy or shred a perfect stranger on a forum.  Why do you feel you must belittle, degrade, call names, or demean people just because they have a different belief system than you? There's a way to disagree without acting like a verbal shrew.

I'm glad that newbie pegged you for what you are.  A lot of them never post again.  No one has trouble with you but me?  LOLOLOLOLOL  That's a laugh and a half.  The only poison being spread here is coming out of your mouth! You have this cutting way of posting, so people are afraid to post back to you....I'm not!!!!

Get over yourself, this is not a contest, or to prove anything. All of us are human with different beliefs.  I'm not in a personality contest. Can't afford to be.  My Father and His Word is what I live by.  You do not....fine!  Cut the garbage with the nasty innuendos and name calling, blasphemies against heaven, etc. If you had a boss that was a Christian, would you talk to them in real life like you do on here?  I doubt it.

Even though we are Christians, we are also someone's mother, son, daughter, father, etc.  People on the same earth, living in the same country.  We can disagree, but why does it have to be verbal hate, spewing discontent, and animosity?  I came back into this thread, because of how you were treating Jcribb.  While she can take care of herself, you think you can verbally kick and bite anyone that believes.  Get over it, the world is full of people that believe in God of one type or another.  We can disagree, debate, say we think the other is wrong, whatever, but when does it become acceptable to verbally shred people or cut them down because they love God? Something is haywire with you, and it comes out loud and clear. Sometimes people have built such a defense of spite and hate around them for so many years, they have no idea how vulgar they come across to innocent people just posting a thought on a forum.  Maybe you have done this for so long it's become second nature to you and don't realize it. If that's the case, then you have become reprobate silver, in which case, that's the most dangerous place an ex Christian can find themselves.

Is it sporting fun for you to degrade Christians that love God and humanity to the point where they don't want to pray for humanity anymore?  Good job!!  I have strong Christians tell me all the time that they are sick of the fact, that people don't want to do anything but mock God in this day and age. Why do you think we are so happy that time is winding down, and we look forward to Christ coming back? Jcribb says she prays for you, and that is the best gift anyone can do for anyone else, and you call her stupid and ignorant.  Again....good job!

[Annella]

I have to say, in defense of Falconer and queenofnines, they seem willing to talk to anyone regardless of their beliefs, and they seem egalitarian in how they will treat them.  Others on here have made it clear that they need to infer a million things about what I personally believe before they determine how or even if they want to talk to me.  The words in my posts aren't enough, they need to know if I'm a "believer" in exactly the same way as them or I may not be worth a response.  Falconer and qon have never laid out prerequisites before deciding if I or anyone else is worth their time, at least not that I've seen.  I've only been around a few months, though.

Wow, thanks Kez! That was a nice out-of-the-blue gesture!   You make a good point that I didn't really see.

Believe it or not, like it or not, everyone's religion plays a dominant part of how they act, especially toward others.  I think it is this type of action that Falconer and qon have such a hard time with.  Forgive me if I'm wrong, Falc and queen.

As usual, you're pretty much right on. There are people I know that disregard many random ideas of christianity and they are much more fine individuals than the people I know who follow it word-for-word. Over a month ago I was up talking to one of them till 4 am and it was nice that his reasonings were much more open-minded and not clotted up with b+w ideas. But on the other side, the fact that these people told to my face that they cannot think otherwise because that would breach their faith in the bible...the deception they willingly bathe in is just absolutely creepy. Fortunately I don't know of anyone personally who promotes the whole hell/hades idea, but I'm pretty sure that's because the people I know have atleast a few ounces of decency in them to not go around being naive jerks. That's just my personal story though.

I kind of disagree.  Though christians are trying to spread their various forms of doctrine, "non-believers" are doing the same thing, just in a different tone.  I have had atheistic views pushed on to me time and time again (not necessarily by anyone here), just as often, in fact, as religious ones.

Really? Where are you from? Because if we're talking beliefs being pushed on the individual, it's like 92% religious 8% non for me. lol

Amy, I think you take things a bit too personal.

The most hypocritical statement on Fusioncash I have ever seen.

lol  Okay, place your bets everyone!  Schoolyard fight at 3!  Haha...  I have no idea what you're talking about, but all of this sure does sound like you want to have a fist fight in front of the other kids after class.  Hypothetically speaking of course, you would not fair so well here (brawn or...).  

Be weary, Knight of the Freethinkers! She has the faith-healing power that grants her +25hp/10 sec! Use your Sword of the Skeptic and Shield of the Rational to drain her magic points quick! She will then run away once she is depleted!

Know what falconer, you are getting more and more like qon everyday.  What a goal to attain to.  Now come back with a witty remark that is nothing but sarcasm, as I know you can.  I'm never depleted, just not in the mood to debate with someone who can't post anything but personal attacks.  Your posts use to be full of intelligent information.  Not so much anymore, when you decided to revert to the put downs, etc., that you see your co-hort has resorted to from the beginning.  I have no desire to talk with you when you are like you have been since I've been back.

[Falconer02]

Know what falconer, you are getting more and more like qon everyday.  What a goal to attain to.  Now come back with a witty remark that is nothing but sarcasm, as I know you can.  I'm never depleted, just not in the mood to debate with someone who can't post anything but personal attacks.  Your posts use to be full of intelligent information.  Not so much anymore, when you decided to revert to the put downs, etc., that you see your co-hort has resorted to from the beginning.  I have no desire to talk with you when you are like you have been since I've been back.

I figured you're just this rock-solid case of overzealousness that is incapable of reasoning things out, so I might as well save myself the time of explaining how things actually work in the real world and just enjoy the drama! lol Seriously though- the post you quoted-- none of it was aimed at you except the end. I could see how you could take the whole thing personally but I wasn't even thinking about FC. I was just sharing my non-internet stories on the subject. It was creepy and awkward when people told me they willingly keep their eyes shut and grasp for straws. Very "...uhh...wut?" moments.

[Annella]

Know what falconer, you are getting more and more like qon everyday.  What a goal to attain to.  Now come back with a witty remark that is nothing but sarcasm, as I know you can.  I'm never depleted, just not in the mood to debate with someone who can't post anything but personal attacks.  Your posts use to be full of intelligent information.  Not so much anymore, when you decided to revert to the put downs, etc., that you see your co-hort has resorted to from the beginning.  I have no desire to talk with you when you are like you have been since I've been back.

I figured you're just this rock-solid case of overzealousness that is incapable of reasoning things out, so I might as well save myself the time of explaining how things actually work in the real world and just enjoy the drama! lol Seriously though- the post you quoted-- none of it was aimed at you except the end. I could see how you could take the whole thing personally but I wasn't even thinking about FC. I was just sharing my non-internet stories on the subject. It was creepy and awkward when people told me they willingly keep their eyes shut and grasp for straws. Very "...uhh...wut?" moments.

Sorry, must have missed something about the grasping for straws. Now I'm incapable of reasoning?  I knew you couldn't post without at least one putdown
 

[Falconer02]

Now I'm incapable of reasoning?  I knew you couldn't post without at least one putdown

Pertaining to the subject? Completely.

[Annella]

 

Now I'm incapable of reasoning?  I knew you couldn't post without at least one putdown

Pertaining to the subject? Completely.