I don't believe in the Devil or Hell

[Annella]

While Christians are to obey the laws of the land, If man made laws that were contrary to what God made, then it would be a problem. However, if man made a law say.....that Christ cannot be worshipped any more, that law would be broken by any Christian worth their salt.  It goes against God's law.

I find it puzzling when people come up with excuses why they are not Christians or why they don't serve God.  The fact that it's a personal choice is everything.  If you chose to serve God, it's because you love Him and chose to follow Him....no matter what, or no matter who.  Not because so and so does, or doesn't.  If you let anyone dictate your walk with God, then you really haven't chose to follow God at all, but to let man dictate your choices for spirituality.

There will be many excuses given on Judgment why someone did not follow the Lord, but there will be no excuse that will hold water on that day.  Every person will answer for themselves, and the dictates of their own hearts and choices they made on earth.  Pointing to anybody and saying because of who, what, when, how, is not going to cut it.  "But Lord....your so called Christians were hypocritical so I would not serve you", won't stand.  Everyone will have to give account for themselves, and if they did or did not choose to serve Him no matter what.

If you really have your eyes on the Lord, nothing will deter you....nothing!  If you put your trust in man, then you have put it in someone who can fail.  God never fails. no matter what is going on around you.  Our eyes must be on God, not the failure of man, or actions contrary thereof.

Romans 8:35-39
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?  Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?  As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.  Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him that loved us.  For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

If you chose not to serve Him....that is your choice, but to blame someone else, or something else, is not going to fly come Judgement.

[angelhome]

Quote from Falconer:

Well the whole age thing-- definitely. That goes without saying. But I've been reading a bit of it via http://www.revelationbibleprophecy.org/index.html and...I'm still not seeing anything here that supports any legitimate prophecy. All I really see here are vague examples involving beasts that are on par with Nostradamus's work. Sorry if it sounds like ridicule, but these could be interpreted as anything. What passages make you believe this; which ones stand out the most for you that have thick and unquestionable ties to actual events?


Revelation 1:18 “I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell [Hades] and of death.”

He that liveth, was dead, alive forever - This is a clear description of Jesus who lived on earth, died for the sins of mankind and then rose to live for ever more. Death has no more dominion over Him. (Romans 6:9)
(courtesy of your link you used:  http://www.revelationbibleprophecy.org/revelation1.html)

That's all for now. Things to do.

Israel was a prophecy the Word says it would be born in a day, and it was. and that it will be a melting pot and all the Nations of the
world would come against it, and it is.  and that Israel is the apple of GOD's eye and when the Nations continue to stick their finger
in GOD's Eye, we will all pay - it is all coming to a head and that is all in the Bible.
As for as the devil and hell, it won't matter once you die who you believe in. What you do now on earth is all in preparation
for where you will spend eternity. The Bible speaks of the firey pit where there is no water, only crying and gnashing of teeth, and
heaven on street of gold where there will be no sickness, sadness, sorrow, pain or death.
and it is all a matter of choice, "free will" and you seem to know a lot about free will. just know that once
you are dead you will not be given choice, but you will go where you have prepared for.
I would think if I had any idea there was a Heaven, I had rather prepare to go there than hell?
but I don't have to answer for you or any one else, just me and I know I am ready.
I pray GOD sends you a real swift message of restoration and deliverance.

[Falconer02]

Yes, very creepy, Falc. Think about this one. Simply substitute Quran for Bible and Allah for God, same thinking, but don't tell her that

You could replace it with pretty much anything. It would still sound creepy. Such words are from those of cults. But oh no, this one's different cuz it's gotta be real!    I'm not going to even bother quoting her post above mine because it's...obtuse.

Unfortunately, there have been Christians (as they call themselves) who have killed in the name of religion and shown violence.  It just shows that any religion aside, no matter what religion, people are human and do stupid, idiotic things.  Any Christian or non-christian who takes the law into his own hands and kills someone in the name of their religion, or no religion, is breaking the law and should suffer their penalty.  It does make genuine Christians (whatever religion) look like phonies. I have to wonder what god they were really worshipping in the first place...

Totally. But it's not just killing. It starts with the deluding of the decision making process which can end up doing more damage than just killing.

Israel was a prophecy the Word says it would be born in a day, and it was. and that it will be a melting pot and all the Nations of the
world would come against it, and it is.  and that Israel is the apple of GOD's eye and when the Nations continue to stick their finger
in GOD's Eye, we will all pay - it is all coming to a head and that is all in the Bible.

Israel has always had a history of getting it's eye fingered by random nations. Point me to the specific verses with precise names and dates, or Nostradamus's claims > your claims.

As for as the devil and hell, it won't matter once you die who you believe in. What you do now on earth is all in preparation
for where you will spend eternity. The Bible speaks of the firey pit where there is no water, only crying and gnashing of teeth, and
heaven on street of gold where there will be no sickness, sadness, sorrow, pain or death.
I would think if I had any idea there was a Heaven, I had rather prepare to go there than hell?
but I don't have to answer for you or any one else, just me and I know I am ready.

*yawn* yeah. I prefer other afterlifes. I don't like these ones.

and it is all a matter of choice, "free will" and you seem to know a lot about free will.

Well thank you. And since I know a lot about it, it would make sense that your concept of a god does not allow for it, which means that I actually don't know much about it! WOAH! What a puzzle!

I pray GOD sends you a real swift message of restoration and deliverance.

How primitively rude. I shall pray to the gods that they increase your intelligence with their superior elemental powers. Therefore you shall see the error of your monotheistic ways!

[jcribb16]

I thought it was supposed to be kept clean in here, Falconer.  I can't believe you would get so riled up over a comment made by angelhome.  It sounds like more of a defense reaction. 

[Falconer02]

I thought it was supposed to be kept clean in here, Falconer.  I can't believe you would get so riled up over a comment made by angelhome.  It sounds like more of a defense reaction.  

Defensive? Not really. That statement was taken offensively obviously, but I don't care. Curses are funny. In third-world countries and in the far past, people would put curses on eachother as a way to offend and scare one another. That user's statement was offensive and taken as a curse, so I'm just (jokingly) fighting current fire with ancient fire.    Sorry about the harsh language though. It's not directed at you.

Edit: I'll turn it into something more tasteful!

[Annella]

It's still lousy language to use to anybody....directed or not, doesn't excuse the crassness of it.

[Falconer02]

It's still lousy language to use to anybody....directed or not, doesn't excuse the crassness of it.

Well *bleep*. Sorry. Gahhhh I mean...



Tarnish notte the refinement of my lack of devilish speech impediments.

[queenofnines]

@Falconer: Pay no attention to the Scolding Police.  That's what they do, they scold.  You shouldn't have to censor yourself just because they don't get your higher level of thinking, or to spare their misplaced feelings.

[jordandog]

I am late in the thread on this one, but have been too busy - doing that stupid and unneeded medical 'stuff'.

I'm under the impression that we can't win no matter what we say...or don't say.

Therein lies the rub - there is nothing TO win, period. If you are looking at these discussions as a matter of right vs wrong and winning vs losing, you are in the wrong place. We will all end up the same after that last dying breath. I would rather live this life I have without judging everyone on where they stand according to the Bible. I would also venture a guess that you have one enormous pile of stones still waiting to be thrown and not an unbroken window in your own 'house'. It is a big job trying to run the world. Maybe you should allow more reasonable christian folks (like jcribb for instance - talks without shoving ideas down throats and actually reads through posts and comprehends them before answering) take over for awhile.

By the way, my posts do NOT have a damn thing (Oooh, bad girl for saying 'damn', I already know) to do with my friends being Pentacostals at one time. They have everything to do with disliking superiority in how you reply to ALL who do not agree with you, tunnel vision in how you view differing opinions (other than your own and even from other christians) because you are the only one who truly knows what is going on, focus on only the most minute derogatory thing within many words written, and the way you turn posts around to make them be what you want them to be instead of reading what they actually say - I believe that may be the 100th time I have called you out on that one. This country is falling apart and you are busy visiting other countries (on someone else's dime) to "spread the word", sorry state of affairs there.

You happen to be just as rude, just as mean spirited, and just as fallible as anyone else on here. Because you couch your replies in the 'word of god' and some of us don't, you believe YOUR behaviour is upstanding. You have said before you were not always like you are now re your church and your life. That makes me wonder just how zealous a 'born again' you are, because in my experience that type of person is the most dangerous of all and also the most self-righteous. Funny how it is not just myself, QON, and Falconer who see this in you either.

[sflynt]

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[jordandog]

Thanks, sflynt, lol You are one of the Mean Girls (+Falconer, of course;)) on here now too. I caught that when I was reading through lots of posts after being out of the Forum for weeks.

QON, what a good summation of what I was saying about the "reading into of posts" and "focusing on one minute, derogatory thing" = misplaced feelings. I was stating that only as far as Annella and my posts to each other though since I seem to be able to pretty much get along with everyone else, strange eh?

[lovelee27]

yes i belive in the devil thats feeds on the evil deeds of this world   

[queenofnines]

Thanks, sflynt, lol You are one of the Mean Girls (+Falconer, of course;)) on here now too.

Oh, Falc will get a kick out of that when he sees it.    And ANYONE who disagrees with Annella is immediately classified as a Mean Girl.

QON, what a good summation of what I was saying about the "reading into of posts" and "focusing on one minute, derogatory thing" = misplaced feelings. I was stating that only as far as Annella and my posts to each other though since I seem to be able to pretty much get along with everyone else, strange eh?

That's exactly what it is!    And I mentioned that too; funny how I don't have any beef with anyone but her, but she has enough beef with the rest of us to open her own McDonald's.

[jcribb16]

@Falconer: Pay no attention to the Scolding Police.  That's what they do, they scold.  You shouldn't have to censor yourself just because they don't get your higher level of thinking, or to spare their misplaced feelings.

Queenofnines,
Honestly, I'm really not trying to be a "Scolding Police."  I'm just trying to abide by the forum's rules when in Off-Topic: Sub: Debate and Discuss.  Quote from the community page:  ("Feel free to talk about anything unrelated to FusionCash -- but keep it PG!"  I know that Admin has reminded everyone that there are younger people in here and I just don't think PG means some of these nasty curse words.  That's all I was trying to say to Falconer.  He didn't call me a name for that, he changed it (even if sarcasm was involved), and was nice to me about it.

[Annella]

I am late in the thread on this one, but have been too busy - doing that stupid and unneeded medical 'stuff'.

I'm under the impression that we can't win no matter what we say...or don't say.

Therein lies the rub - there is nothing TO win, period. If you are looking at these discussions as a matter of right vs wrong and winning vs losing, you are in the wrong place. We will all end up the same after that last dying breath. I would rather live this life I have without judging everyone on where they stand according to the Bible. I would also venture a guess that you have one enormous pile of stones still waiting to be thrown and not an unbroken window in your own 'house'. It is a big job trying to run the world. Maybe you should allow more reasonable christian folks (like jcribb for instance - talks without shoving ideas down throats and actually reads through posts and comprehends them before answering) take over for awhile.

By the way, my posts do NOT have a damn thing (Oooh, bad girl for saying 'damn', I already know) to do with my friends being Pentacostals at one time. They have everything to do with disliking superiority in how you reply to ALL who do not agree with you, tunnel vision in how you view differing opinions (other than your own and even from other christians) because you are the only one who truly knows what is going on, focus on only the most minute derogatory thing within many words written, and the way you turn posts around to make them be what you want them to be instead of reading what they actually say - I believe that may be the 100th time I have called you out on that one. This country is falling apart and you are busy visiting other countries (on someone else's dime) to "spread the word", sorry state of affairs there.

You happen to be just as rude, just as mean spirited, and just as fallible as anyone else on here. Because you couch your replies in the 'word of god' and some of us don't, you believe YOUR behaviour is upstanding. You have said before you were not always like you are now re your church and your life. That makes me wonder just how zealous a 'born again' you are, because in my experience that type of person is the most dangerous of all and also the most self-righteous. Funny how it is not just myself, QON, and Falconer who see this in you either.

It's funny no matter what I say, my walk with God is being attacked. Your attack on my born again experience, ect. actually shows your bitterness and resentment towards God.....not me.  I'm very strong so give me your worst.  It just makes my resolve that much stronger for the Lord.  Bring it on!  LOL

Jealous much?  The best thing to do in these perilous times is spread the Gospel as far and wide as I possibly can.  News flash:  It's called the Great Commission in the Bible.  I've just begun, I'm going to be spreading the Gospel till my dying breath!  Oh yeah!!

Mark 16:15-18
And He said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the Gospel to every creature.  He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.  And these signs shall follow them that believe, In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

I "couch" my replies in the Word of God because that's what I live by.  You don't because you are unbelievers....uh, not rocket science.

No, we will not all end up the same after the last dying breath.  You are lying to yourself if you believe that.

I have no idea what you are talking about my life was different.....what?  Yeah, there was a time I was not saved, just like every other born again Christian that left darkness for light.

I'll say it again.  You are all like a bunch of snapping mutts trying to tear down anybody who proclaims this precious Truth, or stands up to your verbal attacks on Christians.  Contrary to your attempt to put a difference between Jcribb and I, we know the devices of the enemy to cause discord and disunity among Christians.  You said the same things about Sherene and I.  Get some new material.