Re: Islamic Sharia Law in the USA

[jcribb16]

Islamic Sharia Law in the USA
Is this any surprise that Obama would nominate someone like this?

www.youtube.com
Nonie Darwish talks to Fox News about The Obama Administration nominee for State Department Legal Advisor, Harold Koh, and his alleged statement that Islamic Sharia Law should apply in US Courts...


Definitely one of my concerns for our country...

[sflynt]

Yeah, definitely a concern!!   Its no surprise to me at all.

 The fact that Sharia law was even considered anywhere in the United States is enough for me. Just like that case in NJ. It should scare anyone that any judge in America would consider using that as precedent.  

Oklahoma became the first U.S. state to ban it. The ballot states that Oklahoma courts must “rely on federal and state law when deciding cases” and forbids them from “considering or using international law” and “from considering or using Sharia Law.”
 Thank God.

Still, a major concern for our country...

[Falconer02]

Definitely one of my concerns for our country...

Because we can all rely on a Fox News report posted on youtube for accurate and legitimate information.

Oklahoma became the first U.S. state to ban it. The ballot states that Oklahoma courts must “rely on federal and state law when deciding cases” and forbids them from “considering or using international law” and “from considering or using Sharia Law.”

Did this include saying the elimination of using christian doctrine to justify cases? I don't know- I'm just curious.

[jcribb16]

Falconer, that was uncalled for.  Here's a few of non-fox posts for you since you don't like my source.  It doesn't matter which sources the topic comes from, it is happening.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/8034/islam.html

http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/11/03/oklahoma-sharia-law/

http://www.ntpi.org/html/whyoppose.html

[sflynt]

Did this include saying the elimination of using christian doctrine to justify cases? I don't know- I'm just curious.

I just realized that you changed what you wrote. and to answer your question, no.

[jaymz462]

Obama and the changes he's making, the money he's spending, the decisions he's making---it's really obvious how much he HATES America. 

Oh?  How so?  Or are you just regurgitating what Rush and Glenn Beck tell you to say?

[jordandog]

Obama and the changes he's making, the money he's spending, the decisions he's making---it's really obvious how much he HATES America. 

I may not be a fan of Obama and do not like how he is approaching the country's problems, but I would NOT go so far as to say he actually "hates America". He does have his family here (some of it anyway) and I would hope he would not act in a way that would affect their lives here. If he "hated" this country, I wouldn't think it would matter to him what happened, even to them.

I hope this makes sense, loooong night at work....

[Falconer02]

Falconer, that was uncalled for.

You honestly think posting a fox news report is more important/legitimate than the links you posted? C'mon now...
Thx for the links though. I'd put those in the OP. I guess the ol' sharia is taking the scientology approach to things.

I just realized that you changed what you wrote. and to answer your question, no.

If this is true, isn't it a bit unfair to state in full that one persons religious law is unacceptable but the current popular one isn't even mentioned? It's like instead of saying "Nobody can have anymore pizza" one says "Nobody can have anymore pizza. ESPECIALLY Emily." It's antagonizing.
(and I just added 2 words to my post when I edited it just so the question ran better)

Obama and the changes he's making, the money he's spending, the decisions he's making---it's really obvious how much he HATES America

Nope. If jaymz is correct and this opinion did spawn from Rush and/or Beck, you need to really stop listening to those militant nutjobs!!! lol

[jcribb16]

Quote from jcribb:
Falconer, that was uncalled for.

Quote from Falconer:
You honestly think posting a fox news report is more important/legitimate than the links you posted? C'mon now...
Thx for the links though. I'd put those in the OP. I guess the ol' sharia is taking the scientology approach to things.

Like I said in a previous post, it doesn't matter which sources it comes from, Sharia Law is real, and it's becoming a serious problem for America.  I hope you have researched what their law is about and the ramifications if it were adopted here.  This would not just be in their homes, it would involve Americans that are married to them, have children, and cases being included and ruled on in the court systems.  These Americans involved could be any of our future family members.

[Falconer02]

Like I said in a previous post, it doesn't matter which sources it comes from,

But it does. You cannot trust a source that pats itself on the back for lying and exhaggerating to the american public. Even if a story they report is 100% truth, we've got a boy-who-cried-wolf on our hands due to their horribly and hilariously poor history of accuracy coming from that "news" organization.

Sharia Law is real, and it's becoming a serious problem for America. I hope you have researched what their law is about and the ramifications if it were adopted here.

Trust me I have. I don't like it one bit! But I'd like to see biblical ideas out of politics first since I see it still spreading around massively. Considering the christians have the upper hand and that sharia law is pretty wacky for any rational person, you quell the major one first to show the more extreme one that they don't have a chance. One fight at a time here.

These Americans involved could be any of our future family members.

To be blunt, one of my moms friends dated some muslim guy. She immediately left when he angrily shook his finger at her and said to never ask about his business in something (all on a 2nd date!). This is just my opinion, but as long as women keep understanding and flaunting their rights and refusing to be walked over, I don't see this being an accurate future.

[sflynt]

I wouldnt go so far as to say he hates America either... but I honestly dont think he cares as much as he should.
Just by looking at what he's been doing, and not doing, says a lot. And I definitely don't agree with his ways.

 I agree with you, falconer, Any religion should be kept separate from politics. Period.

[jordandog]

This is not something completely new. I have been hearing the last few years that we are in danger of being forced to accept Sharia Law. How weak and submissive do the people who make such ridiculous statements think the American people are? 'We the People' will never accept Sharia Law, do they think we're all nuts? Or maybe they think Americans scare so easily that they can whip us all into submission by running their mouths long enough to make us tired enough to just give in?

I don't and cannot know for sure, but I suspect the second is more accurate. We have a nation that makes me absolutely furious in that it's citizens do NOT exercise their right to vote! The silent ones in many ways are the ones responsible for things that are ludicrous becoming law and then they are the first to complain. How many voting people do you know who would accept Sharia Law? I don't know any and that includes the Muslims I know and work with, have for years. How many of our leaders have shown any interest in adopting Sharia Law? Again, I haven't seen a single such proposal. The only thing that is actually true occured in Oklahoma during the recent November 2nd election/vote. And what exactly does it even say? Ballot Question 755 in Oklahoma: a proposed state constitutional amendment banning the consideration of Sharia and the law of other nations or cultures generally, in court decisions. This was the only proposal I am aware of that even mentions the law. In effect, nobody has really proposed it anywhere as becoming a law, so I have to ask myself how real is the threat? Think about it and leave the fearmongering out of it.

Great Britain, on the other hand, is now fostering 2 sets of laws and governing within it's own nation. Why? Because they became so fiscally irresponsible that the only way they could get any monies back into the country was by accepting Sharia backed funding. So now there is the laws of Parliament to meet out decisions and also Sharia Courts and Laws being applied to their Muslim citizens. One thing that is vital to remember is that Great Britain has over 4 times the number of Muslims we do and their overall population is much less than ours. In effect, this makes it appear as though G.B. is slowly and steadily being taken over by their own doing. They backed themselves into a corner and are now wondering what the heck happened. They have NO 'separation of church and state' there. They have instead a National Church and it is invasive in all matters including laws and governing. Do you see that happening here in the U.S.?
Falconer wrote:

But I'd like to see biblical ideas out of politics first since I see it still spreading around massively. Considering the christians have the upper hand and that sharia law is pretty wacky for any rational person, you quell the major one first to show the more extreme one that they don't have a chance. One fight at a time here.

I have to agree with that 100%. If we allow the erosion of one, we open the door for another to come in, but only if and when we allow it.

[SCarter984]

Kudos to Oklahoma!  Every other state should follow suite.  Do you know of any other country that would allow an immigrating citizen to come in, set their own laws and expect that law to be recognized?  We have allowed too many cultures to set the precedence of how "they" should be governed.  If you want to live in America then you should be expected to live by American Law!  Why go through pledging your allegiance to our flag then turn around and walk on it.  I have no problem with people wanting to immigrate here.  That is how this country was born.  However, I do have a problem with those who wish to change America to fit their taste.  What I am seeing is a take over of our land and a diminishing of our laws.

[jcribb16]

Kudos to Oklahoma!  Every other state should follow suite.  Do you know of any other country that would allow an immigrating citizen to come in, set their own laws and expect that law to be recognized?  We have allowed too many cultures to set the precedence of how "they" should be governed.  If you want to live in America then you should be expected to live by American Law!  Why go through pledging your allegiance to our flag then turn around and walk on it.  I have no problem with people wanting to immigrate here.  That is how this country was born.  However, I do have a problem with those who wish to change America to fit their taste.  What I am seeing is a take over of our land and a diminishing of our laws.

Thank you SCarter984!

[sflynt]

Kudos to Oklahoma!  Every other state should follow suite.  Do you know of any other country that would allow an immigrating citizen to come in, set their own laws and expect that law to be recognized?  We have allowed too many cultures to set the precedence of how "they" should be governed.  If you want to live in America then you should be expected to live by American Law!  Why go through pledging your allegiance to our flag then turn around and walk on it.  I have no problem with people wanting to immigrate here.  That is how this country was born.  However, I do have a problem with those who wish to change America to fit their taste.  What I am seeing is a take over of our land and a diminishing of our laws.

  I agree, absolutely, 100%