why

[jordandog]

He reveals himself every day...

Yeah, like to the starving and dying children who can't even get medical care and die at ge 2-3 or before the even turn 1 in afganistan and north korea. and to the homeless people who are homeless at no fault of their own all over the world.

But haven't you realized yet he only shows himself to those who are in a coma state of mind. I will call them desperate housewives.
And to answer the real question at hand, because logic & science makes a great argument against the so called god. If someone worshipped lets say a pickle you would stand up and ask why,, well so do people on the god issue. I have not seen more hate come from life but from the god word... Wars starting,, in god we trust,,, pffff. Forums like this debating but yet not really people fight over what??? the god word. My daughter was held down and beat last week, yes you can actually look it up on my hometown newspaper,, why the GOD that so many people throw themselves upon. God is nothing more than a judgemental word and a cash cow for churches.

Good post, AmyT. What, you have never heard of the Church of the Gherkin?
I am stunned by what happened to your daughter. I am so sorry to hear that and have to wonder what it was about, but that is up to you to share IF you choose. I honestly can't say what I would do if that happened to one of mine.

[dawn21207]

The one thing that has always gotten me is that people that believe in god are supposed to accept everyone.. BUT... if you don't believe in god, they (the ppl that do believe in god) make you feel like crap, tell you you're wrong... etc.

It's obvious you haven't read many threads on this forum.  You need to pull up some threads, and read through them, and then tell me if the Christians on here are just trying to make people feel bad.  Your statement is hardly fair.  The atheists and agnostics on this forum have done a pretty good job of verbally burning Christians at the stake.

Also, you need to evaluate what is actually making you feel like "crap" (as you put it).  Could it be something in the Bible they have brought out?  If it is, then it's not the person, it's the Bible that you have a problem with.  Most of the Christians on here love everybody, and post such.
 

Actually there was a time when I went to church... after I left, the people of the church put me and others down, telling us that we were wrong, and that we made a huge mistake, and that if we don't accept Christ into our life, we would forever burn. The people who were from my church, that claimed to be my brothers and sisters, shunned me and others because we left. I'm not saying that every Christian puts non believers down, but in my experience, 99% of Christians do. 

And I have read the forums, and I spoke my opinion once and was told to "STFU" by a supposed Christian. (and what I said had nothing to do with that person at all. She was just angry because I had my own beliefs.

[Annella]

The one thing that has always gotten me is that people that believe in god are supposed to accept everyone.. BUT... if you don't believe in god, they (the ppl that do believe in god) make you feel like crap, tell you you're wrong... etc.

It's obvious you haven't read many threads on this forum.  You need to pull up some threads, and read through them, and then tell me if the Christians on here are just trying to make people feel bad.  Your statement is hardly fair.  The atheists and agnostics on this forum have done a pretty good job of verbally burning Christians at the stake.

Also, you need to evaluate what is actually making you feel like "crap" (as you put it).  Could it be something in the Bible they have brought out?  If it is, then it's not the person, it's the Bible that you have a problem with.  Most of the Christians on here love everybody, and post such.
 

Actually there was a time when I went to church... after I left, the people of the church put me and others down, telling us that we were wrong, and that we made a huge mistake, and that if we don't accept Christ into our life, we would forever burn. The people who were from my church, that claimed to be my brothers and sisters, shunned me and others because we left. I'm not saying that every Christian puts non believers down, but in my experience, 99% of Christians do. 

And I have read the forums, and I spoke my opinion once and was told to "STFU" by a supposed Christian. (and what I said had nothing to do with that person at all. She was just angry because I had my own beliefs.

Unfortunately there are wolves among sheep.  Not all churches are the same.....or friendly.  A church building will not save you, and nobody has the right to dictate your Salvation.  Only the Bible can do that.  If you are not being fed the right spiritual meat or teaching, then your leaving is not wrong.  I tell people all the time, if what is being preached and taught does not line up with the Bible, then you need to find a church that does.  It's not your belief, or my belief, it's what the Bible says.  Of course I'm assuming you believe the Bible?

I'm sorry you were shunned.  Not knowing both sides of the story, I can't, and won't make a call here.  Whomever wrote "STFU" to you, does not sound like any Christian that I'm familiar with on the FC forum.  Your certainly entitled to post on this forum whatever you want. Yes, there will be disagreements to what you believe, or I believe, or anybody else.  However, being rude is uncalled for in any venue.

I hope you will give God a chance to let him speak His love to you, and that you will not hold Him responsible for His very flawed humanity.  Sometimes we get our eyes on man, when in actuality we should have our eyes on God.  I hope you find a loving church and body of Christ who are truly happy to include you in their family.

[dawn21207]

The one thing that has always gotten me is that people that believe in god are supposed to accept everyone.. BUT... if you don't believe in god, they (the ppl that do believe in god) make you feel like crap, tell you you're wrong... etc.

It's obvious you haven't read many threads on this forum.  You need to pull up some threads, and read through them, and then tell me if the Christians on here are just trying to make people feel bad.  Your statement is hardly fair.  The atheists and agnostics on this forum have done a pretty good job of verbally burning Christians at the stake.

Also, you need to evaluate what is actually making you feel like "crap" (as you put it).  Could it be something in the Bible they have brought out?  If it is, then it's not the person, it's the Bible that you have a problem with.  Most of the Christians on here love everybody, and post such.
 

Actually there was a time when I went to church... after I left, the people of the church put me and others down, telling us that we were wrong, and that we made a huge mistake, and that if we don't accept Christ into our life, we would forever burn. The people who were from my church, that claimed to be my brothers and sisters, shunned me and others because we left. I'm not saying that every Christian puts non believers down, but in my experience, 99% of Christians do. 

And I have read the forums, and I spoke my opinion once and was told to "STFU" by a supposed Christian. (and what I said had nothing to do with that person at all. She was just angry because I had my own beliefs.

Unfortunately there are wolves among sheep.  Not all churches are the same.....or friendly.  A church building will not save you, and nobody has the right to dictate your Salvation.  Only the Bible can do that.  If you are not being fed the right spiritual meat or teaching, then your leaving is not wrong.  I tell people all the time, if what is being preached and taught does not line up with the Bible, then you need to find a church that does.  It's not your belief, or my belief, it's what the Bible says.  Of course I'm assuming you believe the Bible?

I'm sorry you were shunned.  Not knowing both sides of the story, I can't, and won't make a call here.  Whomever wrote "STFU" to you, does not sound like any Christian that I'm familiar with on the FC forum.  Your certainly entitled to post on this forum whatever you want. Yes, there will be disagreements to what you believe, or I believe, or anybody else.  However, being rude is uncalled for in any venue.

I hope you will give God a chance to let him speak His love to you, and that you will not hold Him responsible for His very flawed humanity.  Sometimes we get our eyes on man, when in actuality we should have our eyes on God.  I hope you find a loving church and body of Christ who are truly happy to include you in their family.

I can't say that I believe in the bible. I used to, but now am not sure. I do believe that there is a higher power, I just don't know if it is god.
Thank you for not shunning me, and you have showed me that I was wrong in my generalization about every Christian.

[Annella]

The one thing that has always gotten me is that people that believe in god are supposed to accept everyone.. BUT... if you don't believe in god, they (the ppl that do believe in god) make you feel like crap, tell you you're wrong... etc.

It's obvious you haven't read many threads on this forum.  You need to pull up some threads, and read through them, and then tell me if the Christians on here are just trying to make people feel bad.  Your statement is hardly fair.  The atheists and agnostics on this forum have done a pretty good job of verbally burning Christians at the stake.

Also, you need to evaluate what is actually making you feel like "crap" (as you put it).  Could it be something in the Bible they have brought out?  If it is, then it's not the person, it's the Bible that you have a problem with.  Most of the Christians on here love everybody, and post such.
 

Actually there was a time when I went to church... after I left, the people of the church put me and others down, telling us that we were wrong, and that we made a huge mistake, and that if we don't accept Christ into our life, we would forever burn. The people who were from my church, that claimed to be my brothers and sisters, shunned me and others because we left. I'm not saying that every Christian puts non believers down, but in my experience, 99% of Christians do. 

And I have read the forums, and I spoke my opinion once and was told to "STFU" by a supposed Christian. (and what I said had nothing to do with that person at all. She was just angry because I had my own beliefs.

Unfortunately there are wolves among sheep.  Not all churches are the same.....or friendly.  A church building will not save you, and nobody has the right to dictate your Salvation.  Only the Bible can do that.  If you are not being fed the right spiritual meat or teaching, then your leaving is not wrong.  I tell people all the time, if what is being preached and taught does not line up with the Bible, then you need to find a church that does.  It's not your belief, or my belief, it's what the Bible says.  Of course I'm assuming you believe the Bible?

I'm sorry you were shunned.  Not knowing both sides of the story, I can't, and won't make a call here.  Whomever wrote "STFU" to you, does not sound like any Christian that I'm familiar with on the FC forum.  Your certainly entitled to post on this forum whatever you want. Yes, there will be disagreements to what you believe, or I believe, or anybody else.  However, being rude is uncalled for in any venue.

I hope you will give God a chance to let him speak His love to you, and that you will not hold Him responsible for His very flawed humanity.  Sometimes we get our eyes on man, when in actuality we should have our eyes on God.  I hope you find a loving church and body of Christ who are truly happy to include you in their family.

I can't say that I believe in the bible. I used to, but now am not sure. I do believe that there is a higher power, I just don't know if it is god.
Thank you for not shunning me, and you have showed me that I was wrong in my generalization about every Christian.

Okay, makes me wonder what in the world did happen.  Don't tell me, but would it surprise you to realize that many true Christians today were shunned from other gatherings or churches?  I have a church full of such people.  You believe in a higher power?  Then start there, and ask that higher power to lead and guide you where you should be, and what you should pursue.  Be sincere in your asking, and I believe you will have a clear indication what you should/should not do.

You seem fairly new to FC, so let me give you a belated welcome. 

I'll be praying for you.

[tzs]

Why can people stand up and question god? Because human beings are able to believe whatever they want to and question whatever they want to. IT is in our nature, and its also what makes the world go round.Belief in god has much controversy surrounding it, so naturally people will question.  In other words, its normal. Changes wouldn't occur in this world without questioning everything!

[Annella]

Why can people stand up and question god? Because human beings are able to believe whatever they want to and question whatever they want to. IT is in our nature, and its also what makes the world go round.Belief in god has much controversy surrounding it, so naturally people will question.  In other words, its normal. Changes wouldn't occur in this world without questioning everything!

Uh, nobody said she could not question or have her questions......unless I'm reading your post wrong.  Yes, it's controversial, just like many of life's great decisions and/or circumstances.

Okay, sorry, that's the title of the thread.....duh!  I saw that after I posted.  Please accept my apology

[anguyen21]

Well for me, I'm not going to pretend that I know things that are not within my reach (God, life after death, creation, etc.).  We can't know if there is a god just as we can't know if there isn't a god.  All I know is what is happening now and I'm going to live my life in the now.

[dawn21207]

The one thing that has always gotten me is that people that believe in god are supposed to accept everyone.. BUT... if you don't believe in god, they (the ppl that do believe in god) make you feel like crap, tell you you're wrong... etc.

It's obvious you haven't read many threads on this forum.  You need to pull up some threads, and read through them, and then tell me if the Christians on here are just trying to make people feel bad.  Your statement is hardly fair.  The atheists and agnostics on this forum have done a pretty good job of verbally burning Christians at the stake.

Also, you need to evaluate what is actually making you feel like "crap" (as you put it).  Could it be something in the Bible they have brought out?  If it is, then it's not the person, it's the Bible that you have a problem with.  Most of the Christians on here love everybody, and post such.
 

Actually there was a time when I went to church... after I left, the people of the church put me and others down, telling us that we were wrong, and that we made a huge mistake, and that if we don't accept Christ into our life, we would forever burn. The people who were from my church, that claimed to be my brothers and sisters, shunned me and others because we left. I'm not saying that every Christian puts non believers down, but in my experience, 99% of Christians do. 

And I have read the forums, and I spoke my opinion once and was told to "STFU" by a supposed Christian. (and what I said had nothing to do with that person at all. She was just angry because I had my own beliefs.

Unfortunately there are wolves among sheep.  Not all churches are the same.....or friendly.  A church building will not save you, and nobody has the right to dictate your Salvation.  Only the Bible can do that.  If you are not being fed the right spiritual meat or teaching, then your leaving is not wrong.  I tell people all the time, if what is being preached and taught does not line up with the Bible, then you need to find a church that does.  It's not your belief, or my belief, it's what the Bible says.  Of course I'm assuming you believe the Bible?

I'm sorry you were shunned.  Not knowing both sides of the story, I can't, and won't make a call here.  Whomever wrote "STFU" to you, does not sound like any Christian that I'm familiar with on the FC forum.  Your certainly entitled to post on this forum whatever you want. Yes, there will be disagreements to what you believe, or I believe, or anybody else.  However, being rude is uncalled for in any venue.

I hope you will give God a chance to let him speak His love to you, and that you will not hold Him responsible for His very flawed humanity.  Sometimes we get our eyes on man, when in actuality we should have our eyes on God.  I hope you find a loving church and body of Christ who are truly happy to include you in their family.

I can't say that I believe in the bible. I used to, but now am not sure. I do believe that there is a higher power, I just don't know if it is god.
Thank you for not shunning me, and you have showed me that I was wrong in my generalization about every Christian.

Okay, makes me wonder what in the world did happen.  Don't tell me, but would it surprise you to realize that many true Christians today were shunned from other gatherings or churches?  I have a church full of such people.  You believe in a higher power?  Then start there, and ask that higher power to lead and guide you where you should be, and what you should pursue.  Be sincere in your asking, and I believe you will have a clear indication what you should/should not do.

You seem fairly new to FC, so let me give you a belated welcome. 

I'll be praying for you.

Don't worry nothing happened.. I just began having different views as I got older

[Cuppycake]

I think the real question here is why do people insist there is one...

I can turn that right back around, and say why do some people insist there isn't one?  I've read some of your previous posts, and know you don't believe in God or believe there is one.  That's your choice.  It's also other's choice to have faith and believe there is a God.

Your entitled to your stance as we are entitled to ours.

Fine go play with your invisible friend lol!

[jcribb16]

   He may be invisible and He is my friend, but I, myself, worship, praise, and adore Him; not play!!!!!!

[charmaine56]

 
I believe that when you do the work, you find God.

Do you have the courage to be what you came here to be?

Thats one way to follow God,

Be grateful, rededicate yourself and have the courage to be who you were born to be.

 

[unque1mel]

hey i'm wit you ok

[Cuppycake]

I believe that when you do the work, you find God.

Do you have the courage to be what you came here to be?

Thats one way to follow God,

Be grateful, rededicate yourself and have the courage to be who you were born to be.

 

Is that why soo many "in the church" abuse little boys?

[jcribb16]

Those churches (representing certain religious sects/faiths) that "abused little boys" do not mean all churches do that.  Most "churches" (believers) do not approve of what was/is happening in those particular churches.