WTH happened in here?

[walksalone11]

There is only one Creator, Annella, and what we have received pertaining to his intent is very much different then what you claim. He does not approve of discrimination against any group of people. He does not approve of intolerance aimed at others with differing lifestyles. He does not approve of any human, attempting to bar, any other human from moving about the world freely, nor does he approve of anyone attempting to force their lifestyle or morals on others.

Your teachings are completely false and were conceived by men whose sole motivation was self serving and wanted to control others and force them to be subservient and compliant. Now, if that is the way you wish to live great, but you are in no way superior, in any way to anyone else and have absolutely no right to attempt to hinder them in any fashion from living their life any way they choose, nor teaching others intolerance toward ANY others. The ONLY possible exception is in the case that we ALL should be totally 100% intolerant of ANYONE victimizing an other.

People on here, ask you and others a question and request a simple yes or no. You can't do that, you have to start quoting bible verses and preaching a sermon. How hard is it to answer simple yes.......or no? Unless of course you are, as I very much suspect, attempting to distance yourself from any guilt associated with the answer, and instead want to lay all the blame at Creators feet.

You have repeatedly refused to answer my question pertaining to what your thoughts are on the "Doctrine of Discovery" siting the reason that you wont converse with me because I don't believe in the bible. However, you have absolutely no problem conversing with me on any other subject matter. and further more, what in the hell does the bible have to do with the doctrine in question? The is nothing in the bible about it. You refuse because you know that you have very racist and superioristic convictions related to divine Christian rights and haven't yet been able to find any bible verses to use to place culpability upon.

Admit it Annella, you are a supremacist, as are damned near every Christian, not all, mind you, but all the ones who are not too brain dead to actually form a thought or conviction for themselves.

[queenofnines]

SHE MADE THE CONNECTION, i MADE THE CONNECTION, and anyone with even a minute semblance of reading comprehension skills, memory retention, and have ever read the bible MADE THE FREAKIN CONNECTION.

now, if you are going to be so bold as to insist that you didn't mean it in that regards, I am going to be so bold as to say you are a damned liar.

lol    

[Annella]

There is only one Creator, Annella, and what we have received pertaining to his intent is very much different then what you claim. He does not approve of discrimination against any group of people. He does not approve of intolerance aimed at others with differing lifestyles. He does not approve of any human, attempting to bar, any other human from moving about the world freely, nor does he approve of anyone attempting to force their lifestyle or morals on others.

Your teachings are completely false and were conceived by men whose sole motivation was self serving and wanted to control others and force them to be subservient and compliant. Now, if that is the way you wish to live great, but you are in no way superior, in any way to anyone else and have absolutely no right to attempt to hinder them in any fashion from living their life any way they choose, nor teaching others intolerance toward ANY others. The ONLY possible exception is in the case that we ALL should be totally 100% intolerant of ANYONE victimizing an other.

People on here, ask you and others a question and request a simple yes or no. You can't do that, you have to start quoting bible verses and preaching a sermon. How hard is it to answer simple yes.......or no? Unless of course you are, as I very much suspect, attempting to distance yourself from any guilt associated with the answer, and instead want to lay all the blame at Creators feet.

You have repeatedly refused to answer my question pertaining to what your thoughts are on the "Doctrine of Discovery" siting the reason that you wont converse with me because I don't believe in the bible. However, you have absolutely no problem conversing with me on any other subject matter. and further more, what in the hell does the bible have to do with the doctrine in question? The is nothing in the bible about it. You refuse because you know that you have very racist and superioristic convictions related to divine Christian rights and haven't yet been able to find any bible verses to use to place culpability upon.

Admit it Annella, you are a supremacist, as are damned near every Christian, not all, mind you, but all the ones who are to brain dead to actually form a thought or conviction for themselves.

I'll admit nothing to you, except that you have your opinion and are entitled to it.  

Your whining about your people, with hatred and animosity, does nothing to endear anyone to your side.  While you lay all your problems with your people at my feet?  Here's a reality check......I've no power to help your people, but I understand you've singled me out as your scapegoat, so have at it.

I believe "The Doctrine of Discovery" was answered in a previous thread.  Not by me, but by someone....I remember seeing it.  As far as conversing with you about anything......I try not to.  You are very intolerant of my belief in the Bible, and that I call myself a Christian, because you hold me as a Christian, liable for the place your people are in right now.  Do you have any idea how loco and absurd that sounds?  I mean really?

As far as being intolerant with races and people, who in the world are you referring to??

Look, put any title on me you want.  Guess what?  I don't care.  I do know that if you keep up such hate, animosity, and spewing negativity, your going to find yourself with a heart attack.  Life is a beautiful thing, and the gift of life most precious that our Creator gave us.  Live it with some love brother......you'll live longer.

[Annella]

SHE MADE THE CONNECTION, i MADE THE CONNECTION, and anyone with even a minute semblance of reading comprehension skills, memory retention, and have ever read the bible MADE THE FREAKIN CONNECTION.

now, if you are going to be so bold as to insist that you didn't mean it in that regards, I am going to be so bold as to say you are a damned liar.

lol    

I find it funny qon how you get bent out of shape about a scripture that you don't believe, and a God that upholds that scripture that you don't believe, oh, and that you don't even believe in there being a God period.

LOL

[jordandog]

People on here, ask you and others a question and request a simple yes or no. You can't do that, you have to start quoting bible verses and preaching a sermon. How hard is it to answer simple yes.......or no? Unless of course you are, as I very much suspect, attempting to distance yourself from any guilt associated with the answer, and instead want to lay all the blame at Creators feet.

This is exactly why I said what I did in another thread when QON asked a question of Annella and jcribb and also asked they use their own thoughts on it. I said I highly doubted Annella would answer it - my exact words were: "Without using the standard pool of answers ie the Bible says, it might not be answered. That takes some out-of-the-box thinking and that's definitely not something I see from one person you asked." It did not get answered and I was informed I was 'baiting' Annella. Isn't it funny that everytime she is called out on anything it is 'baiting', singling out, making her the scapegoat'? Wow, I wish I was that special. I need to stop answering what I am asked and I need to stop admitting when I am wrong or out of line. I'll leave that to all the others who do it from now on and I'll use the 'being picked on' defense instead. Problem being, I have no book to draw all my words from or back me up. Hmm, I'll have to ponder that one awhile and see what I can come up with.

Annella, I don't think you have an idea what freedom of thought even is. How can you when every single thing comes down to what is in the Bible? Telling everyone who doesn't agree with you "It's your opinion, you're entitled to it." and the rest of your standard evasiveness is NOT giving an answer when you are asked about anything. Maybe you should look at what passive-aggressive behavior means, because I don't think you have a clue. It has NOTHING to do with "being open about your faith and what the word of god says" as you wrote. If you did, you would realize you are the epitome of it on this forum. The oh so sweet "love yous, the hearts, the prayers for people who don't ask for them" and the rest you dole out to the ones you agree with, the ones you try to make submissive by your words, don't fly when put up against the "hate Islamics, don't encourage the homosexuals - unless they are the ones you can 'fix' - instead go out and preach against someone else's life and be proud of yourself for doing it." That is a message of love, along with all the rest of your intolerance, for anything not in that book?

This has nothing to do with whatever you want to live your life by. It has everything to do with dictating how you feel others should live theirs. Quit sounding like the robot who got the very best programming - you aren't all that.

[Annella]

People on here, ask you and others a question and request a simple yes or no. You can't do that, you have to start quoting bible verses and preaching a sermon. How hard is it to answer simple yes.......or no? Unless of course you are, as I very much suspect, attempting to distance yourself from any guilt associated with the answer, and instead want to lay all the blame at Creators feet.

This is exactly why I said what I did in another thread when QON asked a question of Annella and jcribb and also asked they use their own thoughts on it. I said I highly doubted Annella would answer it - my exact words were: "Without using the standard pool of answers ie the Bible says, it might not be answered. That takes some out-of-the-box thinking and that's definitely not something I see from one person you asked." It did not get answered and I was informed I was 'baiting' Annella. Isn't it funny that everytime she is called out on anything it is 'baiting', singling out, making her the scapegoat'? Wow, I wish I was that special. I need to stop answering what I am asked and I need to stop admitting when I am wrong or out of line. I'll leave that to all the others who do it from now on and I'll use the 'being picked on' defense instead. Problem being, I have no book to draw all my words from or back me up. Hmm, I'll have to ponder that one awhile and see what I can come up with.

Annella, I don't think you have an idea what freedom of thought even is. How can you when every single thing comes down to what is in the Bible? Telling everyone who doesn't agree with you "It's your opinion, you're entitled to it." and the rest of your standard evasiveness is NOT giving an answer when you are asked about anything. Maybe you should look at what passive-aggressive behavior means, because I don't think you have a clue. It has NOTHING to do with "being open about your faith and what the word of god says" as you wrote. If you did, you would realize you are the epitome of it on this forum. The oh so sweet "love yous, the hearts, the prayers for people who don't ask for them" and the rest you dole out to the ones you agree with, the ones you try to make submissive by your words, don't fly when put up against the "hate Islamics, don't encourage the homosexuals - unless they are the ones you can 'fix' - instead go out and preach against someone else's life and be proud of yourself for doing it." That is a message of love, along with all the rest of your intolerance, for anything not in that book?

This has nothing to do with whatever you want to live your life by. It has everything to do with dictating how you feel others should live theirs. Quit sounding like the robot who got the very best programming - you aren't all that.

LOL  For one thing, I have no idea what your talking about?  What question are you talking about?  Again jordandog it matters little to me what you think of me.......or your opinion of me.  However, your free to give it.

There are 3 on here that I always disagree with....you, qon, and walksalone.  All three of you have made it quite clear that you don't agree with me.....great!  So we disagree.  What is your problem?  Nothing you say is going to make me agree with you.  Call all the names you want, apply all the negative titles,  I don't care.....got it?

NOTHING you post is going to change my stance (Christian) or my way of posting!  As far as "dictating" how others should live their life?  What are you referring to?  I love how you guys throw out these half baked statements, and then when I ask what you mean?  You don't say.  I think you just throw things out there that seem to sound good to you, when in actuality they make no sense.

[Annella]

I don't know, I must of missed something. 

Huh?  Are you talking to me Marie?

[queenofnines]

NOTHING you post is going to change my stance (Christian) or my way of posting!

Re: "Nothing you can say can convince me otherwise"...and similar expressions.  The phrase comes in more varieties than a person might immediately recognize.  It's sometimes too subtle to notice the sort of confession to which we've been privy.

- It is the dismissal of all forthcoming evidence.

- It is the denial of all future discoveries and progress (potential or imminent).

- It's the outright rejection of all current knowledge that may stand contrary to the speaker's position.

- It's worse than confirmation bias; it declares that confirmation is unnecessary...

...and falsification is impossible.

But, happily, it is also a betrayal of the speaker's methods.  A method which can be pulled apart before their eyes.

If you are such a person, consider the following:

Why will nothing I say convince you?  This suggests you aren't interested in reason or evidence...

...which suggests you aren't open to being proven wrong.

...which means you don't care if reality disagrees with your beliefs.

...which suggests your beliefs are completely independent of what is real.


Source: http://www.youtube.com/user/RobTheMonk8#p/u/13/igmkm6QLxiM

[walksalone11]

And even if you quote the whole damn bible you are not going to get us to believe that....GOT IT??? if you are addressing your post IE; sermons to us, just save it for sunday and your minions. GOT IT???

[jordandog]

People on here, ask you and others a question and request a simple yes or no. You can't do that, you have to start quoting bible verses and preaching a sermon. How hard is it to answer simple yes.......or no? Unless of course you are, as I very much suspect, attempting to distance yourself from any guilt associated with the answer, and instead want to lay all the blame at Creators feet.

This is exactly why I said what I did in another thread when QON asked a question of Annella and jcribb and also asked they use their own thoughts on it. I said I highly doubted Annella would answer it - my exact words were: "Without using the standard pool of answers ie the Bible says, it might not be answered. That takes some out-of-the-box thinking and that's definitely not something I see from one person you asked." It did not get answered and I was informed I was 'baiting' Annella. Isn't it funny that everytime she is called out on anything it is 'baiting', singling out, making her the scapegoat'? Wow, I wish I was that special. I need to stop answering what I am asked and I need to stop admitting when I am wrong or out of line. I'll leave that to all the others who do it from now on and I'll use the 'being picked on' defense instead. Problem being, I have no book to draw all my words from or back me up. Hmm, I'll have to ponder that one awhile and see what I can come up with.

Annella, I don't think you have an idea what freedom of thought even is. How can you when every single thing comes down to what is in the Bible? Telling everyone who doesn't agree with you "It's your opinion, you're entitled to it." and the rest of your standard evasiveness is NOT giving an answer when you are asked about anything. Maybe you should look at what passive-aggressive behavior means, because I don't think you have a clue. It has NOTHING to do with "being open about your faith and what the word of god says" as you wrote. If you did, you would realize you are the epitome of it on this forum. The oh so sweet "love yous, the hearts, the prayers for people who don't ask for them" and the rest you dole out to the ones you agree with, the ones you try to make submissive by your words, don't fly when put up against the "hate Islamics, don't encourage the homosexuals - unless they are the ones you can 'fix' - instead go out and preach against someone else's life and be proud of yourself for doing it." That is a message of love, along with all the rest of your intolerance, for anything not in that book?

This has nothing to do with whatever you want to live your life by. It has everything to do with dictating how you feel others should live theirs. Quit sounding like the robot who got the very best programming - you aren't all that.

LOL  For one thing, I have no idea what your talking about?  What question are you talking about?  Again jordandog it matters little to me what you think of me.......or your opinion of me.  However, your free to give it.

There are 3 on here that I always disagree with....you, qon, and walksalone.  All three of you have made it quite clear that you don't agree with me.....great!  So we disagree.  What is your problem?  Nothing you say is going to make me agree with you.  Call all the names you want, apply all the negative titles,  I don't care.....got it?

NOTHING you post is going to change my stance (Christian) or my way of posting!  As far as "dictating" how others should live their life?  What are you referring to?  I love how you guys throw out these half baked statements, and then when I ask what you mean?  You don't say.  I think you just throw things out there that seem to sound good to you, when in actuality they make no sense.

You seem to have a lousy memory when it is convenient. This is the question from QON in thread "killing in the name of...":
« Reply #77 on: October 15, 2010, 10:08:08 am » Message ID: 254612 Quote  
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Jcribb and Annella -- I appreciate your responses, really I do, but you didn't answer my question.  I didn't ask if you wanted me to go to hell, I asked if you think solely for being a non-believer, I *deserve* it.  It's a yes or no question.

Do YOU guys think it is right to punish otherwise good people forever on the sole basis of being skeptical of the god claims, OR being in the wrong religion?  Yes or no.  Don't say "only god can judge"; I really want to know if deep in your heart, you think it's morally correct?
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Not one of us throws out any "half-baked statements" and when we get asked a question as to what we are talking about, we provide an answer. Of course you disagree with the 3 of us! We are the only ones who seem to have the cojones to call you out on the BS you write. This has not one thing to do with 'liking you', I don't know you as a person, I know you by what you write on here. I do not like prejudice, I do not like superiority, and I do not like fake fawning over people - it doesn't matter if it is you or anyone else on here, you just seem to be the one who does it the most.

In your mind, the Bible 'dictates' how the whole world should be and how everyone should act. That is NOT how the real world works and it shows very little love of your fellow human unless they meet the standards set forth in that book. You choose to live the way you want and I choose to live the way I want, who cares? I don't care either if we disagree, never have. Now, since we are strictly on a website, that is my only source to voice my thoughts so i wll apply this in that context. What I do care about are all the people on FC who might be gay, who might be Islamic/Muslims, who might be absolutely terrified because they are dying right now and what do they see? They see the horrendous words you write as a follower and preacher of what is in one book and you condemning them for how they live. Remember (I know you do) talking about all the christians who wrote you because they were soooo afraid to post on here before you came along because of the 'big, bad, gang of us' who don't agree with you? Well, look at the flipside of that. Do you ever wonder who else is afraid because of what THEY see? Now put that out in real life and you'll have a HUGE clue why I get so bothered by some of what you write. Gay teenagers should not be committing suicide because of bullies under the guise of god's word. That is but one thing. I am NOT saying you are solely responsible for anything, so leave that alone this time. You are a 'RIGHT-FIGHTER'. You will fight to be right no matter what it takes. You might win one battle, but lose the entire war and that is NOT what this world needs right now.

edited to add: By the way, if what I say or 'we' say, makes no sense to you, maybe you just aren't able to grasp it because everyone else seems to understand it just fine.

[SurveyMack10]

Yep, I have several people who hate me now.  lol  Suppose it's to be expected, though, when I'm attempting to rip away their invisible security blankets and replace them with something tangible.    

For an atheist, you're extremely obsessed with religion. HAH.

[SurveyMack10]

Like I said Walks.....SHE made the connection.  As far as lying....nope.  I have nothing to repent of....certainly not Truth.

I still stand by my post.

As far as glaringly looking down my nose....that's your conception.  You can hold any standard you want.  None of my business.  I'm not going to stand idly by anymore, and have new people come on here and get attacked for no good reason, only because they say they believe in God.  You've attacked me before, so your welcome to continue to do so.  It makes no difference in offense anymore.  

Your explanation of calling the horrible names you have, and attacking my character (before) was joking?  Now who's lying?

SHE MADE THE CONNECTION, i MADE THE CONNECTION, and anyone with even a minute semblance of reading comprehension skills, memory retention, and have ever read the bible MADE THE FREAKIN CONNECTION.

now, if you are going to be so bold as to insist that you didn't mean it in that regards, I am going to be so bold as to say you are a damned liar.

Speaking of reading comprehension skills......it is glaringly obvious that you are deficient it that, judging from your post, which is very disturbing considering the fact that you made the decision to be a spokesperson for Creator, and attempt to teach Creators intent. This thread  was initiated in a joking manner. Me calling you a bigot was no joke.  You have repeatedly demonstrated in this forum your superioristic and bigoted attitude.

Just in the past couple of weeks you have been, what could very kindly be called, passive aggressive towards, an  non-Christians, gays, Muslims and pretty much anyone else who doesnt toe the dogmatic line that you would impose.
Geez Annella, don't you have to go look, in the mirror, with orgasmic admiration or something?

You sure do degrade others a lot, and it's hilarious how you hypocritically accuse Annella of looking down in others when you  all look down on Christians. So it's okay for you to look down on others because you're not a Christian right?

[SurveyMack10]

And even if you quote the whole damn bible you are not going to get us to believe that....GOT IT??? if you are addressing your post IE; sermons to us, just save it for sunday and your minions. GOT IT???

No one has tried getting you to believe it. On the contrary, YOU ALL are the ones trying to sway us to your belief or lack thereof. Hypocrisy at its finest.

[SurveyMack10]

Why will nothing I say convince you?  This suggests you aren't interested in reason or evidence...

...which suggests you aren't open to being proven wrong.

...which means you don't care if reality disagrees with your beliefs.

...which suggests your beliefs are completely independent of what is real.


Source: http://www.youtube.com/user/RobTheMonk8#p/u/13/igmkm6QLxiM

So the same applies to you then too right? Considering you consider nothing that we say as well. Or does that only apply to Chrsitians, as most of what you say is hypocritical anyway

[walksalone11]

There is only one Creator, Annella, and what we have received pertaining to his intent is very much different then what you claim. He does not approve of discrimination against any group of people. He does not approve of intolerance aimed at others with differing lifestyles. He does not approve of any human, attempting to bar, any other human from moving about the world freely, nor does he approve of anyone attempting to force their lifestyle or morals on others.

Your teachings are completely false and were conceived by men whose sole motivation was self serving and wanted to control others and force them to be subservient and compliant. Now, if that is the way you wish to live great, but you are in no way superior, in any way to anyone else and have absolutely no right to attempt to hinder them in any fashion from living their life any way they choose, nor teaching others intolerance toward ANY others. The ONLY possible exception is in the case that we ALL should be totally 100% intolerant of ANYONE victimizing an other.

People on here, ask you and others a question and request a simple yes or no. You can't do that, you have to start quoting bible verses and preaching a sermon. How hard is it to answer simple yes.......or no? Unless of course you are, as I very much suspect, attempting to distance yourself from any guilt associated with the answer, and instead want to lay all the blame at Creators feet.

You have repeatedly refused to answer my question pertaining to what your thoughts are on the "Doctrine of Discovery" siting the reason that you wont converse with me because I don't believe in the bible. However, you have absolutely no problem conversing with me on any other subject matter. and further more, what in the hell does the bible have to do with the doctrine in question? The is nothing in the bible about it. You refuse because you know that you have very racist and superioristic convictions related to divine Christian rights and haven't yet been able to find any bible verses to use to place culpability upon.

Admit it Annella, you are a supremacist, as are damned near every Christian, not all, mind you, but all the ones who are to brain dead to actually form a thought or conviction for themselves.

I'll admit nothing to you, except that you have your opinion and are entitled to it.  

Your whining about your people, with hatred and animosity, does nothing to endear anyone to your side.  While you lay all your problems with your people at my feet?  Here's a reality check......I've no power to help your people, but I understand you've singled me out as your scapegoat, so have at it.

My methods get results or else I would have quit the fight years ago. I have not, and will not lay any thing concerning my people at your feet. Why would I? It is the very mindset that landed them/us in our present state.

I believe "The Doctrine of Discovery" was answered in a previous thread.  Not by me, but by someone....I remember seeing it.  As far as conversing with you about anything......I try not to.  You are very intolerant of my belief in the Bible, and that I call myself a Christian, because you hold me as a Christian, liable for the place your people are in right now.  Do you have any idea how loco and absurd that sounds?  I mean really?

I'm not asking anyone else for their thoughts, I am asking you!

As far as being intolerant with races and people, who in the world are you referring to??

Are you still admiring yourself in the mirror? Good

Look, put any title on me you want.  Guess what?  I don't care.  I do know that if you keep up such hate, animosity, and spewing negativity, your going to find yourself with a heart attack.  Life is a beautiful thing, and the gift of life most precious that our Creator gave us.  Live it with some love brother......you'll live longer.

My health has absolutely nothing to do with the struggle. Every piece of the of the circle is equally important as every other piece, but the circle as a whole is much more important then any individual. Pretty foreign concept, huh?

You couldn't wrap your tiny little mind around the amount of devotion I have for others.....and I am not your damn brother.