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marieelissa

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Is Satan Really Such a Bad Guy?
« on: October 12, 2010, 05:49:07 pm »
According to Christianity, Satan is the epitome and embodiment of all evil things, described as "the father of all lies" in the Catholic Church's Catechism (paragraph 391). It is his works that tempt humans into doing bad deeds. If something evil occurs, we can be assured that Satan had something to do with it.

The History of Satan

According to Catholicism, Satan only exists because God allows him to (The Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraph 395). This raises some serious issues about how righteous God can be if he allows evil to exist, but I digress. Satan, as the story goes, began as the angel Lucifer, who outrightly rejected God and rebelled against him. God cast Lucifer and those who followed him into Hell, a place of eternal torture and despair, where God was not present.

Like any good propoganda machine, Christian authorities have made sure to limit the disenimation of information on the enemy (Satan) to what they want the public to know. For example, we are never told why Satan rebelled against God. We're never given his side of the story. Were Satan's reasons for rejecting God and attempting to overthrow him legitimate? From where I'm standing, they could certainly be considered valid if the authorities see fit to hide them from the general public.

For example, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the book that outlines Catholic beliefs in detail, has barely half a column in its index devoted to Satan and information on him, where as Jesus Christ has a full 6 pages! Sound like a propoganda machine to you, yet?

Christian authorities have made some big mistakes with their anti-Satan propoganda machine, however. Since there is so little information available about Satan, there is no record of anything he's done or any way to connect events to him. Christians simply and lazily accredit evil occurences to Satan. A good example are the events of September 11. Within weeks, a doctored picture was floating around the internet showing Satan's face in the clouds of smoke and debris eminating from the two towers, thus unfairly making Satan out to be responsible for these tragedies.

Satan vs. God

The only evidence we have to conclude Satan's utter evil is God's word, and frankly, God's word isn't worth too much. He's shown a remarkable inconsistency in his actions and words, and he's hardly above lying or dishonest conduct. Straight after giving Moses the first set of Ten Commandments (which included "Thou shalt not kill"), he let Moses go ahead and order the Levites to go on a mass-murdering rampages, which they did, but only after he talked God out of killing all the people! According to 2 Thessolonians 2:11-12, God will send a strong illusion to people so that they will believe lies, so he can condemn everyone to Hell. After giving Moses the Ten Commandments, God orchestrated a litany of atrocities through isoltated commandments that are simply too great in number to list here. I suggest checking out the The Skeptic's Annotated Bible to see for yourself, specifically this section. These events are detailed in Exodus 32. In 2 Chronicles 18:22, God lies to prophets. Why should anyone take his word at face value if he has no problem with lying to us for no reason other than to have an excuse to condemn us to Hell?

Who's more evil? God or Satan? How can we determine this? Well, it's a simple matter of looking at the actions of both God and Satan. Who's commited more evil acts? Who's done more harm to humanity? Who's been the most oppressive? Is Satan really as bad as the Christian Smear Campaign makes him out to be? Let's find out...

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Re: Is Satan Really Such a Bad Guy?
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2010, 06:17:11 pm »
this post is SUPER interesting, thanks, marie! i believe ther has and always will be a perfect balance of good and evil. like, happiness wouldn't feel so good if it wasn't for pain. (50 cent said that, funny i quoted a rapper for that, huh?) some people are just moregood than evil, and most just need to find balance. for example: robin hood, STOLE from the rich, GAVE to the poor. he balanced out good and evil.
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Re: Is Satan Really Such a Bad Guy?
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2010, 05:35:26 pm »
 :cat:  You have got that right, Sheryl!!!!  :)

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Re: Is Satan Really Such a Bad Guy?
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2010, 08:13:06 pm »
I'm living for the day when I can help push him into the black abyss.  If the LORD will allow me that pleasure.  At least I'll dance at his funeral!

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Re: Is Satan Really Such a Bad Guy?
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2010, 02:18:21 pm »
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Who's commited more evil acts? Who's done more harm to humanity? Who's been the most oppressive?
    Seriously?  I am living for the day when God gives satan exactly what he deserves!    
you do know that god gives satan all the power he has, according to the bible. he can't do anything that god dosen't allow him to, so really god would have to give himself what he deserves
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Re: Is Satan Really Such a Bad Guy?
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2010, 04:34:44 pm »
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Who's commited more evil acts? Who's done more harm to humanity? Who's been the most oppressive?
   Seriously?  I am living for the day when God gives satan exactly what he deserves!    
you do know that god gives satan all the power he has, according to the bible. he can't do anything that god dosen't allow him to, so really god would have to give himself what he deserves

satan had, and has free will.  Agreed, he can only go so far as God will allow him.  We also have free will and make our own choices.  God does not interfere with us either unless He deems it necessary.  A third of the angels that "fell" with satan, had free will to choose the dark side also (so to speak).  God created beings....heavenly and earthly.....he did not create robots.....therein lies the difference.

Imagine this:  You know what Heaven looks like, how it feels, to hold a high position over the Heavenly Host, know the pure happiness and joy of being in God's presence.......and you throw it all away because you became jealous with your superior, and wanted His place.  What an absolute loser!
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Re: Is Satan Really Such a Bad Guy?
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2010, 04:48:01 pm »
      :(   For sure! Really, really bad!

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Re: Is Satan Really Such a Bad Guy?
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2010, 10:51:18 am »
Oh yeah He is!!!!!!!!! He is in hell lol  :BangHead:



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Re: Is Satan Really Such a Bad Guy?
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2010, 10:51:54 am »
Oh yeah He is!!!!!!!!! He is in hell lol  :BangHead:

LOL!  That is great!



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Re: Is Satan Really Such a Bad Guy?
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2010, 08:28:37 pm »
You will see how bad he is if you follow him. I get the impression you might not be a christian since you would ask a question like this. I pray that you would ask the Lord to save you and get in a good bible believing church.

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Re: Is Satan Really Such a Bad Guy?
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2010, 07:01:41 pm »
Bigger question.....could Lucifer be forgiven by God?  You know he only gets a 1000 year "time out"

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Re: Is Satan Really Such a Bad Guy?
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2010, 07:19:00 pm »
Bigger question.....could Lucifer be forgiven by God?  You know he only gets a 1000 year "time out"

"Lucifer" (Archangel) was perfect in his formation and beauty when he was made by God.  Now the enemy, who's name is, devil, satan, evil one, dragon, unclean, etc., has rejected God completely. He warred against Heaven and the Angels he was made one of the leaders over.  He coveted the Glory and position, that was only God's.  satan has made the choice, and that cannot be reversed.

If we die, and have neglected to make the correct choice of Salvation, we have made the same decision, and it cannot be reversed.  Now is the time, if you will hear His voice.

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Re: Is Satan Really Such a Bad Guy?
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2010, 07:30:49 pm »
Bigger question.....could Lucifer be forgiven by God?  You know he only gets a 1000 year "time out"

"Lucifer" (Archangel) was perfect in his formation and beauty when he was made by God.  Now the enemy, who's name is, devil, satan, evil one, dragon, unclean, etc., has rejected God completely. He warred against Heaven and the Angels he was made one of the leaders over.  He coveted the Glory and position, that was only God's.  satan has made the choice, and that cannot be reversed.

If we die, and have neglected to make the correct choice of Salvation, we have made the same decision, and it cannot be reversed.  Now is the time, if you will hear His voice.
Absolutely!

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Re: Is Satan Really Such a Bad Guy?
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2010, 11:46:55 am »
i wudnt trust him on a good day lol

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Re: Is Satan Really Such a Bad Guy?
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2010, 07:26:18 pm »
i wudnt trust him on a good day lol

You said that right!!!!!

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