Another god-related topic

[queenofnines]

Even people in the bible who witnessed the miracles Jesus performed tried to rationalize it away or accuse him of being of the devil....

And we have no good proof that these are anything but myths.

blessed are they who HAVE NOT seen and yet believe.

Warning!  Warning!  Be VERY skeptical of anything that asks you to believe based on little to no evidence.  For your safety.

He has given us plenty of things in this world to have more than enough faith.

Like 98% similar chimp DNA.  And dinosaur fossils.  lol

Denying God is just that...denial, not accepting truth but denying it.

How arrogant.  It might seem like "denial" to you because you're convinced by your delusion, but I cannot deny something that isn't fact to begin with.  Plain and simple.

People who really want to know if God is there and that Jesus died for them, all you have to do is (for one moment) put aside your notions of what is fact in your mind and ask Him to reveal Himself.

Are you seeing this, 502?!  Look at what she is telling people to do: disregard the reasoning abilities that protect and serve you in all OTHER aspects of your life and embrace the irrational, because that's the ONLY place god can exist.  I'm sorry, but if god were real, he would not have designed our brains to be as advanced, rational, logical, and intelligent as they are and then expect us to throw them out the window and believe the ridiculous.

[jcribb16]

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Those are too personal to be put on this forum, especially with people that deny God, and put down my beliefs.  I don't care to be mocked.  But there were family members who were there and know themselves about the miracles and happenings that come from God. Even an unbeliever who afterwards accepted Christ when one event happened.

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Why is it when I ask believers for examples of how god works in their lives, so many of them refuse and say, "It's too personal" ?!  So you're saying you cannot give ANY good examples of your "personal relationship" with Jesus?  I thought you were on a first-name basis with him EVERY day?  Shouldn't he be doing awesome stuff for you fairly regularly?  And you wonder why atheists say there is no proof for your god.  When we point out all of the logical flaws of your religion, you always come back with, "That's all fine and well, but god has DONE STUFF in my life, so I believe!"  Okay...where are these accounts???  You can't name 5 examples of where god was in action this week, this month, this year?

And what you label as "mocking" would be my showing you in whatever example you presented how it could have happened in the natural world without god.

***First, your attitude as an "atheist" is very condescending, sarcastic, mean, and superior to Christians, as a whole on here.  It appears that you cannot seem to separate the Christian from the actual person.  

***Second, It is NONE of your business about things that happened in my life that only made my relationship with God, as a Christian stronger.  You don't really care to know and feel anything about this other than the fact that you are trying to mock it.  You, as a "used to be Christian" should know better than that.

***Third, I did give an account of what happened with my dad in a previous post on this thread, but apparently you either didn't read it thoroughly or you would be counting that as 1 out of 5 examples that you are once again being sarcastic about.

***Fourth, You are one on here that does not really care to hear a Christian's opinion without mocking it.  There are other non-christians on here that actually discuss views on here with an open mind.  They have even tried to "tone down" your remarks, taking up for you, but I can see that you don't even appreciate that.

[shernajwine]

Are you seeing this, 502?!  Look at what she is telling people to do: disregard the reasoning abilities that protect and serve you in all OTHER aspects of your life and embrace the irrational, because that's the ONLY place god can exist.  I'm sorry, but if god were real, he would not have designed our brains to be as advanced, rational, logical, and intelligent as they are and then expect us to throw them out the window and believe the ridiculous.

No I am asking him to disregard lies that parade as fact and search God with a sincere heart. And if God isn't really there, then what does a person lose by being vulnerable for a moment and daring to hope in something that is beyond themselves? Besides he already believes in God, he just questions the God of the bible. So your comment is misplaced.

[502mania]

guys, let me clarify my beliefs because they have chaged during my research. I LOVE the idea of a higher being watching over us. but it all seems too good to be true at this point. everytime i ask abut his actions to help starving children throughout the world, i get an answer like "he has a purpose for them". I can't help but to think *sarcastically* "i'm sure he has a really good reason for 3 year olds to die of starvation." That would be like seeing a child in a house without his mother, dying, would you think "she must have a reason or purpose"?? hell no, you'd call child services or help the child yourself. And when i ask about the killing and slavery in th bible (which in my view proves it's not god's word, because it wouldn't be set up for "different time standards", that proves that men of the past wrote it, because we now know slavery is wrong) I get some type of biblically explained rationalization for it. again, i love the idea of a god, but it's hard to believe in this world.

[502mania]

i notice people are blaming satan for things. but satan can't do anything unless god allows it, according to the bibe. so god is still generally responsible.

[jcribb16]

502, I am sorry, but it is obvious you still have not read those answering posts thoroughly at all.  You keep skipping over the fact that there are groups and organizations (Christian based and non-christian based) that go out and try to help everyone they possible can.  That doesn't count the slew of missionaries all over the world in great areas and in really bad areas that are also helping them to build homes, have food, go to school, parent their children, etc.  I can list a multitude of missionaries that give up their fancy or middle-class or lower-class lives here, to go and help these people.  God moved their hearts to want to do this.

Some organizations include but are not limited to: Red Cross, Children International, IHS Child Slave Labor (CLR: Campaign for Labor Rights), World Vision Child Charity, ChildrenDonate2, FoodForThePoor, etc.;
There are people and groups who pay money to these orgs. (or donate) to help further the cause.
There are people who volunteer their time to run shelters to help protect children and spouses where they can receive food, shelter, and comfort. There are some people who won't go to these shelters for fear of being hurt more by the abuser.

There are many HRS's that are trying to do their job and protect children, but they can't be everywhere at once.  There are some that let these kids slip through the cracks, too.  That's not good.  There are some children they know nothing about, because their household is threatened to secrecy (even from the neighbors.) There are neighbors that help by turning people in while others turn their heads.  In other countries, some governments rule with an iron thumb and are wrong in how they treat children, family members, etc.  Some governments are great and do all they can to punish those who hurt or starve children, etc.

What else more can we do to answer you?

[502mania]

i notice people are blaming satan for things. but satan can't do anything unless god allows it, according to the bibe. so god is still generally responsible.

I thought you didn't believe in the god of the bible. Why do you try to rationalize it? Or are you trying to understand why people believe in God?

How is that rationalizing the bible? i'm simply implying that the satan blame-game is weak. If there is a god, you won't find him through religion. every religion claims to be right. i want the religious people to explain why their god is any more real than the next guy's.

[502mania]

502, I am sorry, but it is obvious you still have not read those answering posts thoroughly at all.  You keep skipping over the fact that there are groups and organizations (Christian based and non-christian based) that go out and try to help everyone they possible can.  That doesn't count the slew of missionaries all over the world in great areas and in really bad areas that are also helping them to build homes, have food, go to school, parent their children, etc.  I can list a multitude of missionaries that give up their fancy or middle-class or lower-class lives here, to go and help these people.  God moved their hearts to want to do this.
What else more can we do to answer you?

I have read the answers. there ARE charities out tere that are doing good thins, i won't dismiss that. but if god has enough power to do anything, and anything's possible for god, why not just make the land mass produce food? or move the evil dictator's hearts to stop their demising of their own people? And god didn't exactlt move their hearts, it was probably the sight of those people that did.

[Falconer02]

disregard the reasoning abilities that protect and serve you in all OTHER aspects of your life and embrace the irrational, because that's the ONLY place god can exist.  I'm sorry, but if god were real, he would not have designed our brains to be as advanced, rational, logical, and intelligent as they are and then expect us to throw them out the window and believe the ridiculous.

But don't you see!? It's a test! It always has been!

guys, let me clarify my beliefs because they have chaged during my research. I LOVE the idea of a higher being watching over us. but it all seems too good to be true at this point. everytime i ask abut his actions to help starving children throughout the world, i get an answer like "he has a purpose for them". I can't help but to think *sarcastically* "i'm sure he has a really good reason for 3 year olds to die of starvation." That would be like seeing a child in a house without his mother, dying, would you think "she must have a reason or purpose"?? hell no, you'd call child services or help the child yourself. And when i ask about the killing and slavery in th bible (which in my view proves it's not god's word, because it wouldn't be set up for "different time standards", that proves that men of the past wrote it, because we now know slavery is wrong) I get some type of biblically explained rationalization for it. again, i love the idea of a god, but it's hard to believe in this world.

Hmm! Good ideas here. Good for you. The whole argument of "I dunno but god has a plan so it'll all make sense when you die" ends up being really shallow (and arguably offensive) when you see it outside of the religious box. Your feet are on the ground. So again, g4u.  

I have read the answers. there ARE charities out tere that are doing good thins, i won't dismiss that. but if god has enough power to do anything, and anything's possible for god, why not just make the land mass produce food? or move the evil dictator's hearts to stop their demising of their own people? And god didn't exactlt move their hearts, it was probably the sight of those people that did.

You'll get a different answer with every belief system. With the dominant one here in the US, it involves a talking snake posessed by a demon persuading a woman made from a mans rib.

i want the religious people to explain why their god is any more real than the next guy's.

I assure you that you won't be convinced by any argument thrown your way for this.

[502mania]

by the way, sorry for my horrid typing, my keyboard sucks

[Falconer02]

I see no problem with your typing. It's fine!

[502mania]

I see no problem with your typing. It's fine!

my keys don't function and words like "specific" ends up looking like "specfc" lol.

[amyrouse]

i want the religious people to explain why their god is any more real than the next guy's.

Eh...my g-d is real to me.  Doesn't mean it has to be real for you.  Historically, in my religion, a convert will be turned away 3 times or more before the conversion process begins.  I had to go up to my rabbi and say to him "whether or not you agree to a conversion ceremony, it doesn't matter.  I'm Jewish, and although I'd like your approval, it isn't necessary."  I've said it all along, religion is a personal thing.  Its not my place to tell anyone that theirs is wrong or right.  I get in scriptural debate to show there are other ways of looking at these stories, not to try to make someone believe like me.  You don't need to be Jewish to be worthy of g-d's love.

So...tell me why I should explain to you why my g-d is real, when you clearly don't want to believe it?

[queenofnines]

502, I am sorry, but it is obvious you still have not read those answering posts thoroughly at all.

Why do y'all accuse people who don't buy into your religious rationalizations as having not read what you wrote?  It's rather rude to accuse people of this.

You keep skipping over the fact that there are groups and organizations (Christian based and non-christian based) that go out and try to help everyone they possible can.

Yeah, like the Catholics, who are in Africa spreading the lie that condoms CONTRIBUTE to AIDS.  Sorry, no gold star  for ya there.

[jcribb16]

502, I am sorry, but it is obvious you still have not read those answering posts thoroughly at all.

Why do y'all accuse people who don't buy into your religious rationalizations as having not read what you wrote?  It's rather rude to accuse people of this.

You keep skipping over the fact that there are groups and organizations (Christian based and non-christian based) that go out and try to help everyone they possible can.

Yeah, like the Catholics, who are in Africa spreading the lie that condoms CONTRIBUTE to AIDS.  Sorry, no gold star  for ya there.

Many of the groups are not even Christian related, qon, so quit accusing me of religious rationalizations. I didn't list Catholics by name.  Where's your list of answers for him, anyway?