Another god-related topic

[Annella]

yeah right

Uh....excuse me, what do you mean?

[Annella]

I feel I can state and question freely what I do not believe because I have 25 years OF believing behind me. It's not as if I am coming out of left field with nothing to back me up.

Really?  Great!

[jordandog]

I feel I can state and question freely what I do not believe because I have 25 years OF believing behind me. It's not as if I am coming out of left field with nothing to back me up.

Really?  Great!

What's THAT supposed to mean? I'm curious who or what shouti was addressing myself, lol.

[jcribb16]

Quote from queenofnines:
Remember 502: only one side can be right.  Don't be tempted to sacrifice your reasoning abilities just because it's popular to believe in a god.  The masses have been wrong many, many times before.  The case of religion is no different.

502:  You should do your own delving in the scriptures, as well as other books, or science books, etc. Just because I believe in God (NOT a god,) doesn't mean I have sacrificed my reasoning abilities.  Actually, to set the record straight, it is NOT popular to believe in God; quite the contrary.  You should have seen enough evidence on these forums alone, without even checking the news, etc.  People that believe in God are actually chastized, mocked, and made to look crazy and delusional.  It is an ongoing process to always stand up for what we, as Christians, believe. Just make sure you check your own sources, in both areas of what is being discussed, and come to your own heart-felt decision.

[Annella]

Quote from queenofnines:
Remember 502: only one side can be right.  Don't be tempted to sacrifice your reasoning abilities just because it's popular to believe in a god.  The masses have been wrong many, many times before.  The case of religion is no different.

502:  You should do your own delving in the scriptures, as well as other books, or science books, etc. Just because I believe in God (NOT a god,) doesn't mean I have sacrificed my reasoning abilities.  Actually, to set the record straight, it is NOT popular to believe in God; quite the contrary.  You should have seen enough evidence on these forums alone, without even checking the news, etc.  People that believe in God are actually chastized, mocked, and made to look crazy and delusional.  It is an ongoing process to always stand up for what we, as Christians, believe. Just make sure you check your own sources, in both areas of what is being discussed, and come to your own heart-felt decision.

Your so much better at explaining "J"!!  Talk about a smart cookie, your it

Have a great holiday, I'm off with my friends soon, and need to get ready.....bye

[queenofnines]

Your Picking apart words, and then twisting them to seem as if my meaning was two sided.  Your taking things out of context word by word.

Mmm-hmm.  Sure.  A pocketful of excuses to avoid admitting you got logically pwnd.

P.S.  It's "you're" not "your".  I've kept quiet about that long enough!

Actually, to set the record straight, it is NOT popular to believe in God; quite the contrary.

Don't play the victim card.  World population breakdown: 80% believe in god(s) and/or follow a religion, 20% are atheist/agnostic/non-religious.  America population breakdown: 72% Christian, 16% atheist/agnostic.  While there are many in your camp who will say they believe in god when pressed but don't go to church or anything ("mushy Christians")...they believe in god nonetheless.

People that believe in God are actually chastized, mocked, and made to look crazy and delusional.

There's love in the criticism, really.  We're trying to get you to see through the lies, and sometimes that involves mockery/scolding.  The crazy and delusional thing can be seen by anyone who critically examines Christian dogma.  Also, most religions do not deserve respect.  They tamper with the world, spread primitive fantasy, and rob people of their minds and lives.

[jordandog]

P.S.  It's "you're" not "your".  I've kept quiet about that long enough!

This will undoubtedbly sound 'picky', but thank you, queen! That has been driving me crazy too, especially since Annella is not ignorant or illiterate - compliment there, Annella, nothing more nothing less.

[jcribb16]

Quote from: jcribb16
Actually, to set the record straight, it is NOT popular to believe in God; quite the contrary.

Quote from: queenofnines:
Don't play the victim card.  World population breakdown: 80% believe in god(s) and/or follow a religion, 20% are atheist/agnostic/non-religious.  America population breakdown: 72% Christian, 16% atheist/agnostic.  While there are many in your camp who will say they believe in god when pressed but don't go to church or anything ("mushy Christians")...they believe in god nonetheless.

I am not playing the victim card, here.  You cannot back up this with those statistics that show just an overall connection to religious/non-religious choices.  You have to see what's going on under the surface.  They took prayer out of schools.  Many want God removed from all aspects of life here in the U.S. - money, buildings, courtrooms, taking Christ out of Christmas (Xmas,) etc.  We are hearing about more of people being put in jail or fined because of having a Bible study in their own homes with other people because others in that area don't agree with it going on (what has happened to the "freedom" in that?).  Pastors are being sued because their church by-laws don't cover every little thing that may come up (such as a member disagreeing with the pastor on divorce, homosexuality, etc. because it "points" the finger at them, so they sue. And guess what, the pastor loses his case for preaching what's in the Bible.) And please, don't jump on me about divorce, homosexuality, etc., I am just writing some of the things that are going on, not pushing certain views.

 

[jcribb16]

Quote from jcribb:
People that believe in God are actually chastized, mocked, and made to look crazy and delusional.

Quote from queenofnines:
There's love in the criticism, really.  We're trying to get you to see through the lies, and sometimes that involves mockery/scolding.  The crazy and delusional thing can be seen by anyone who critically examines Christian dogma.  Also, most religions do not deserve respect.  They tamper with the world, spread primitive fantasy, and rob people of their minds and lives.

Please forgive me, qon, but I have definitely not felt the "love" coming from you in these past few debates.  I've felt anything but, especially when my view is totally ignored and put down - even your quote right here.  You are trying to get me to admit God is a lie and that I cannot do.  There are 2 things, in particular, in my own personal life, that have happened to me (or family member) that have no other explanation of it happening other than that of God.
Yes, there are different sects of religion that do not deserve respect.  I wouldn't support one like that.  I am not delusional or crazy for believing in Christ. I do not call you delusional for being an atheist, either.
 

[jcribb16]

I also would much rather believe in God, than not, and then pay for my choice eternally for not believing in Him.

jcribb, you must be made aware that Pascal's Wager is one of the weakest arguments for belief of ALL TIME.  It's weak because there are many flaws in it; namely, it assumes you are believing in the CORRECT god in the first place.  Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNcWdV0LYG4 (pay attention to what he's saying and ignore his appearance, please)

Aside from the fact that Pascal's Wager completely falls apart from logical fallacies, it is also a weak-minded argument.  So you're going to sell your whole life away because you're scared of unsubstantiated threats; you're terrified of this "bad place" that only exists in the minds of those who have passed the lie down from generation to generation...it has no proof.  YOU, AS AN ADULT, HAVE PLACED YOURSELF IN THE SAME POSITION AS THE 6-YEAR-OLD WHO'S SCARED OF MONSTERS.  There's no proof of the monsters, common sense tells you it's silly to be scared of them, and yet you remain scared anyway.

Believing in God makes me a better person.

Your are right, Marie, He does. 

[jcribb16]

Quote from queenofnines:
Remember 502: only one side can be right.  Don't be tempted to sacrifice your reasoning abilities just because it's popular to believe in a god.  The masses have been wrong many, many times before.  The case of religion is no different.

502:  You should do your own delving in the scriptures, as well as other books, or science books, etc. Just because I believe in God (NOT a god,) doesn't mean I have sacrificed my reasoning abilities.  Actually, to set the record straight, it is NOT popular to believe in God; quite the contrary.  You should have seen enough evidence on these forums alone, without even checking the news, etc.  People that believe in God are actually chastized, mocked, and made to look crazy and delusional.  It is an ongoing process to always stand up for what we, as Christians, believe. Just make sure you check your own sources, in both areas of what is being discussed, and come to your own heart-felt decision.

Your so much better at explaining "J"!!  Talk about a smart cookie, your it

Have a great holiday, I'm off with my friends soon, and need to get ready.....bye

Thanks, Annella!  You have a great holiday, too!  We'll "see" you Tuesday, when you get back!   

[jordandog]

@jcribb,
I am curious about this part of your post:

We are hearing about more of people being put in jail or fined because of having a Bible study in their own homes with other people because others in that area don't agree with it going on (what has happened to the "freedom" in that?).

Are you referring to that happening in the U.S.? I did a search on it and came up with nothing about it, so that is why I am asking. I don't believe, according to law, that anyone can be arrested here for doing that in their own homes. Do you have any examples because that cannot possibly be legal if it is in fact happening. I need to go get some sleep, so will look for a reply later on if you put one up. Thanks.

[queenofnines]

They took prayer out of schools.

C'mon jcribb...you know why they did that.  It's not right to force kids of different religions (or no religion) to pray.

Many want God removed from all aspects of life here in the U.S. - money, buildings, courtrooms, taking Christ out of Christmas (Xmas,) etc.

Money: "god" was only added due to the red scare.  Put yourself in the shoes of people who subscribe to more than one god, or a different god, or no god.  Do you think we appreciate having the government play favorites and/or speak for us?  You sure wouldn't like it if the Muslims took over and it said "In Allah We Trust", now would you?

Buildings/courtrooms: The government is not supposed to endorse any specific religion (or any religion at all).  PERIOD.  Be glad to live in a country of religious freedom, but don't try to force your god on everyone else.

Christmas: Christians don't "own" Christmas (just like they don't own the U.S. dollar, monuments, or courtroom procedures).  We all know it was stolen from the pagans, come on now.  It is a SECULAR holiday.  People can enjoy it any way they wish, or not at all.

The way you so casually expect Christian dominance in a secular country is exactly what I'm against.  Why can't you keep the god thing within the confines of your church and home, and not in society AT ALL?  Is it because you fear god will burn you in hell forever if you're not making an active effort to get more converts/turn this into a Christian world by force?

[queenofnines]

There are 2 things, in particular, in my own personal life, that have happened to me (or family member) that have no other explanation of it happening other than that of God.

Okay, what are they?

[jcribb16]

There are 2 things, in particular, in my own personal life, that have happened to me (or family member) that have no other explanation of it happening other than that of God.

Okay, what are they?

Those are too personal to be put on this forum, especially with people that deny God, and put down my beliefs.  I don't care to be mocked.  But there were family members who were there and know themselves about the miracles and happenings that come from God. Even an unbeliever who afterwards accepted Christ when one event happened.