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US apologizes for infecting Guatemalans with STDs in the 1940s
« on: October 01, 2010, 05:09:47 pm »
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/10/01/us.guatemala.apology/index.html?hpt=T2




US apologizes for infecting Guatemalans with STDs in the 1940s
By the CNN Wire Staff
October 1, 2010 6:43 p.m. EDT
Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius apologized in a statement with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.


Washington (CNN) -- The United States apologized Friday for a 1946-1948 research study in which people in Guatemala were intentionally infected with sexually transmitted diseases.

A statement by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Secretary of Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius called the action "reprehensible."

"We deeply regret that it happened, and we apologize to all the individuals who were affected by such abhorrent research practices," the joint statement said. "The conduct exhibited during the study does not represent the values of the United States, or our commitment to human dignity and great respect for the people of Guatemala."

President Barack Obama called his Guatemalan counterpart Friday "offering profound apologies and asking pardon for the deeds of the 1940s," President Alvaro Colom told CNN en Espanol in a telephone interview from Guatemala City.

"Though it happened 64 years ago, it really is a profound violation of human rights," said Colom, who said the report took him by surprise.

An international, independent commission will carry out an investigation, he said.


Clinton called him on Thursday, he said. "She too offered her apologies," he said, adding that she told him she was ashamed the United States had been involved in the matter.

Asked whether Guatemala was planning to take legal action, Colom said, "That's part of the work of the commission."

"We reject these types of actions, obviously," said Guatemala presidential spokesman Ronaldo Robles. "We know that this took place some time ago, but this is unacceptable and we recognize the apology from Secretary Clinton."

The study came to light recently when Wellesley College researcher Susan Reverby found the archived but unpublished notes from the project.

The scientific investigation, called the U.S. Public Health Service Sexually Transmitted Disease Inoculation Study of 1946-1948, aimed to gauge the effectiveness of penicillin to treat syphilis, gonorrhea and chancres. Penicillin was a relatively new drug at the time.

The tests were carried out on female commercial sex workers, prisoners in the national penitentiary, patients in the national mental hospital and soldiers. According to the study, more than 1,600 people were infected: 696 with syphilis, 772 with gonorrhea and 142 with chancres.

A similar study was conducted between 1932 and 1972 in Tuskegee, Alabama, on nearly 400 poor African-American men with syphilis whose disease was allowed to progress without treatment. The subjects were not told they were ill with the disease.

The Guatemala study was done under the direction of U.S. Public Health Service physician John C. Cutler, who later ran the Tuskegee experiment, said Dr. Francis Collins, director of the U.S. National Institutes for Health.

Collins told reporters that the Guatemala study represented "a dark chapter in the history of medicine."

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« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2010, 06:40:06 pm »
A dark chapter?  Uh, it's devastating!  I knew about the Tuskegee, AL study, as I watched a documentary and movie about it.  How many other "non-published" tests have been going on that we know nothing about?  Nobody gets to play God with people's lives.  I don't care if they are the government.  No person or race is expendable.  I guess they justify it because some were prisoners, mental patients......SO WHAT?  People are people, no one better than the other.....it's human life!

Sure, those who are under governmental control and can't stick up for themselves. I'm ashamed of this.  I'm a bit leary of the yearly flu shots the government comes out with every year.  I'm looked at as paranoid sometimes because I question a lot of things that "are suppose to be good for us" from big government.

Yes, Walksalone, I've also heard of the forced sterilization of Indian women on reservations.  Who in the world has any right to do anything such as this?


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« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2010, 06:53:00 pm »
A dark chapter?  Uh, it's devastating!  I knew about the Tuskegee, AL study, as I watched a documentary and movie about it.  How many other "non-published" tests have been going on that we know nothing about?  Nobody gets to play God with people's lives.  I don't care if they are the government.  No person or race is expendable.  I guess they justify it because some were prisoners, mental patients......SO WHAT?  People are people, no one better than the other.....it's human life!

Sure, those who are under governmental control and can't stick up for themselves. I'm ashamed of this.  I'm a bit leary of the yearly flu shots the government comes out with every year.  I'm looked at as paranoid sometimes because I question a lot of things that "are suppose to be good for us" from big government.

Yes, Walksalone, I've also heard of the forced sterilization of Indian women on reservations.  Who in the world has any right to do anything such as this?



Thank you Annelle(hope I spelled it right this time;0))

I have researched that and as heinous as that is, in all fairness, it wasnt only Natives that sterilization was forced on. There are a huge amount of atrocities that have been committed by the gov. and lets be fair now, by many religious institutions as well, and no, not just Catholics. Will it stop with this generation?

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« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2010, 08:25:01 pm »
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Thank you Annelle(hope I spelled it right this time;0))

I have researched that and as heinous as that is, in all fairness, it wasnt only Natives that sterilization was forced on. There are a huge amount of atrocities that have been committed by the gov. and lets be fair now, by many religious institutions as well, and no, not just Catholics. Will it stop with this generation?
Posted on: Today at 06:40:06 pm

No....I know, but it has happened to the Indian women a lot.  There is not one person of flesh and blood "appropriate" for any type of testing, unless they consent to it.

There are all sorts of atrocities that every government of every country (not excusing America), is guilty of.  Will it stop with this generation?  I can't say.  It can stop with each individual.  Thing is, most people are happily blinded, and don't want to be woke up.  They're so happy with the status quo that "why rock the boat?"  They're not enough willing to stand up and be counted.  

Also, Power isn't in our hands.  I know a lot of legislation concerning us gets tacked onto other Bills being pushed through that have nothing to do with the Bill or it's interpretation. This makes me furious.  Like we're so stupid, we don't know what's for our own good, so they have to "sneak" it past us.  If they did it the right way, it would never pass the House.  Unfortunately "By The People", is getting lost more and more.  The new Health Bill being passed has some real eye openers, if people actually read it.  I haven't read all of it.  It's 2 feet deep, but it's amazing what is written, or I should say "randomly dispersed", around in it for everyone.  Our Homeland Security Rules and Reg's is another scary story.  Yeah, our civil rights are slowly but surely getting shattered in these works of fiction.

I know a lot was done by some of the early explorers that were worse than what is being addressed here.  Yes, some of them did it in the Name of Christ, when Christ had nothing to do with it.  I don't think they even stopped to ask HIS permission (bad joke).  Men will always find a way to accomplish their evil, and justify it anyway they can.  Even Hitler said God chose him.  Yeah, I guess God wanted over 6 million Jews to be wiped out. :angry7:  


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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2010, 08:37:19 pm »
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Thank you Annelle(hope I spelled it right this time;0))

I have researched that and as heinous as that is, in all fairness, it wasnt only Natives that sterilization was forced on. There are a huge amount of atrocities that have been committed by the gov. and lets be fair now, by many religious institutions as well, and no, not just Catholics. Will it stop with this generation?
Posted on: Today at 06:40:06 pm

No....I know, but it has happened to the Indian women a lot.  There is not one person of flesh and blood "appropriate" for any type of testing, unless they consent to it.

There are all sorts of atrocities that every government of every country (not excusing America), is guilty of.  Will it stop with this generation?  I can't say.  It can stop with each individual.  Thing is, most people are happily blinded, and don't want to be woke up.  They're so happy with the status quo that "why rock the boat?"  They're not enough willing to stand up and be counted.  

Also, Power isn't in our hands.  I know a lot of legislation concerning us gets tacked onto other Bills being pushed through that have nothing to do with the Bill or it's interpretation. This makes me furious.  Like we're so stupid, we don't know what's for our own good, so they have to "sneak" it past us.  If they did it the right way, it would never pass the House.  Unfortunately "By The People", is getting lost more and more.  The new Health Bill being passed has some real eye openers, if people actually read it.  I haven't read all of it.  It's 2 feet deep, but it's amazing what is written, or I should say "randomly dispersed", around in it for everyone.  Our Homeland Security Rules and Reg's is another scary story.  Yeah, our civil rights are slowly but surely getting shattered in these works of fiction.

I know a lot was done by some of the early explorers that were worse than what is being addressed here.  Yes, some of them did it in the Name of Christ, when Christ had nothing to do with it.  I don't think they even stopped to ask HIS permission (bad joke).  Men will always find a way to accomplish their evil, and justify it anyway they can.  Even Hitler said God chose him.  Yeah, I guess God wanted over 6 million Jews to be wiped out. :angry7:  



Any person with a conscious will at times ask....how can people do these things, but just as Hitler spoke, if you can convince a people they are acting out the will of "god" they will enthusiastically commit any degree of atrocity.

Tonight I cry through my prayers for all the senseless torment that innocent peoples worldwide have, do and will suffer in the name of mans ego.......

Many days I say enough....I'm tired....I quit. But then....how can I?

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« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2010, 08:50:11 pm »
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Any person with a conscious will at times ask....how can people do these things, but just as Hitler spoke, if you can convince a people they are acting out the will of "god" they will enthusiastically commit any degree of atrocity.

Tonight I cry through my prayers for all the senseless torment that innocent peoples worldwide have, do and will suffer in the name of mans ego.......

Many days I say enough....I'm tired....I quit. But then....how can I?


Not everybody would just go along with man saying he was doing God's work, if it went against God's Word.  I would not.

Would it surprise you that I do the same (pray and cry out to God for the all people and sufferings)?  I have said many times, I just want to go home.....I'm tired too...... :(



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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2010, 09:03:29 pm »
This is a bit off topic here and whether you reply or not is totally up to you but may I ask, what topics do your planned upcoming sermons cover?

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« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2010, 09:19:40 pm »
This is a bit off topic here and whether you reply or not is totally up to you but may I ask, what topics do your planned upcoming sermons cover?

Wow, believe it or not.......I'm working on "The Hand in the Door", (which is Christ's unending love for humanity) taken from the Song of Solomon in Chapter 5: 1-7   I'm going to be studying out "The Good Samaritan", starting in Luke 10 with the 30th verse, but don't know when I'll use it.

I usually don't "plan" my messages, but study out a particular subject or thought a week or so beforehand.  I like to be "led" to what God wants me to say.  Sometimes I'll prepare a message, and then feel to change it at the last minute.

Can I ask why you ask?
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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2010, 09:43:59 pm »
This is a bit off topic here and whether you reply or not is totally up to you but may I ask, what topics do your planned upcoming sermons cover?

Wow, believe it or not.......I'm working on "The Hand in the Door", (which is Christ's unending love for humanity) taken from the Song of Solomon in Chapter 5: 1-7   I'm going to be studying out "The Good Samaritan", starting in Luke 10 with the 30th verse, but don't when I'll use it.

I usually don't "plan" my messages, but study out a particular subject or thought a week or so beforehand.  I like to be "led" to what God wants me to say.  Sometimes I'll prepare a message, and I'll feel to change it at the last minute.

Can I ask why you ask?

Why do you ask?
well, kinda the same reason I asked Mrs. Sherna if she had ever considered pursuing a position within the clergy.

For years my Elders and alot of my fellow activist have been slapping me around so to speak about my animosity and trying to tell me that to find a better tomorrow for our future generations its going to take more then us......I guess maybe its starting to sink in a bit. I can't reach many outside my environment and preaching to the choir is not very productive.

Most issues I deal with came about as a result of acts instigated by what people interpreted as their devine right or had some kind of moral justification for them.

I read of so many televangelist ect preaching hatred and intolerance........I just wonder what the results would be if they all taught tolerance...... 

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« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2010, 10:24:18 pm »
This is a bit off topic here and whether you reply or not is totally up to you but may I ask, what topics do your planned upcoming sermons cover?

Wow, believe it or not.......I'm working on "The Hand in the Door", (which is Christ's unending love for humanity) taken from the Song of Solomon in Chapter 5: 1-7   I'm going to be studying out "The Good Samaritan", starting in Luke 10 with the 30th verse, but don't when I'll use it.

I usually don't "plan" my messages, but study out a particular subject or thought a week or so beforehand.  I like to be "led" to what God wants me to say.  Sometimes I'll prepare a message, and I'll feel to change it at the last minute.

Can I ask why you ask?

Why do you ask?
well, kinda the same reason I asked Mrs. Sherna if she had ever considered pursuing a position within the clergy.

For years my Elders and alot of my fellow activist have been slapping me around so to speak about my animosity and trying to tell me that to find a better tomorrow for our future generations its going to take more then us......I guess maybe its starting to sink in a bit. I can't reach many outside my environment and preaching to the choir is not very productive.

Most issues I deal with came about as a result of acts instigated by what people interpreted as their devine right or had some kind of moral justification for them.

I read of so many televangelist ect preaching hatred and intolerance........I just wonder what the results would be if they all taught tolerance...... 

First of all, I don't take with TV Evangelists, or most radio ones either.  99.9% of them are phony in my book.....surprised?  All they want is money to line their pockets, and don't feed the people with the love of God, or the saving power of that love.  They don't lift up Christ, they lift up themselves. Shameful.....  Also, I have no idea what Bible they're reading and teaching from, because it's not the one I have.  Okay sorry, a big pet peeve of mine.

Is everyone welcome in my church?  Absolutely!  Are people with tatoo's, peircings, etc., welcome?  Absolutely!  In dirty old clothes?  Come on in!  Humans look on the outside, but God sees the heart.  We have to learn to see as He does.  Am I perfect?.....not by a long shot., I'm working on my shortcomings everyday, with His help.

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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2010, 12:28:03 am »
I really don't comprehend this kind of senseless disregard for human lives. I really wish I could turn a blind eye sometimes because I'm a crybaby and reading these kinds of things is upsetting. My ex husband used to get really annoyed with me because when I would see a dead animal on the side of the road I would bawl my eyes out. I'm just too sensitive I guess.

You see movies about government conspiracies and cover ups and it seems exaggerated and blown out of proportion, but there are obviously things that are happening behind closed doors with the people that are put in charge of an entire country's well being, and they are all concerned about two things...money, and power. God help us.  :confused1:


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« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2010, 06:27:35 am »
Like the apology matters at this point.  There's nothing else they can do I suppose.

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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2010, 05:20:05 pm »
Like the apology matters at this point.  There's nothing else they can do I suppose.

Better to apologize years after, than to "justify" the offense in any way. 

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