Police Injustice...

[502mania]

Thanks sflynt for holdin' it down for me. But just to add i dress rather nice, usually polo to the socks.

[sflynt]

Thanks sflynt for holdin' it down for me. But just to add i dress rather nice, usually polo to the socks.

Lol!! No problem!   
And for the record, I dress very nice as well. 

[502mania]

I'm seeing the word "thug" thrown around A LOT in here, so let me clarify what "thug" actually means.
1. a thug is not a "gangsta", a "gangsta" is a member of a gang or similar undrground organization, not all gangs are bad.
2. being a "thug" has NOTHING to do with appearance or the way you talk
3. the actual definition is: somone who lives life by thier own standads, disregarding common morals, laws, etc... Meaning one lives his/her own life without guidelines and refuses to "just accept" things that are considerd "proper" behavior, lifestyle, etc... like for example a thug may smoke weed. regardless the law says it's wrong, he/she feels it's o.k. and sees no problem with it. a thug isn't a bad person. granted: SOME thugs are, but not all.

For example, if you saw one of these "thugs", and a well-dressed business man, which do you think would be more likely to rob a liquor store? (If you know nothing about them except their appearence.)

They both have the same likelyhood. that could be a million dollar rapper, so niether would be likely to risk their life for a couple hundred bucks. and what exactly is "well-dressed"? the "gangsta" is well dressed for a rap music video.

[animikokala]

I'm seeing the word "thug" thrown around A LOT in here, so let me clarify what "thug" actually means.
1. a thug is not a "gangsta", a "gangsta" is a member of a gang or similar undrground organization, not all gangs are bad.
2. being a "thug" has NOTHING to do with appearance or the way you talk
3. the actual definition is: somone who lives life by thier own standads, disregarding common morals, laws, etc... Meaning one lives his/her own life without guidelines and refuses to "just accept" things that are considerd "proper" behavior, lifestyle, etc... like for example a thug may smoke weed. regardless the law says it's wrong, he/she feels it's o.k. and sees no problem with it. a thug isn't a bad person. granted: SOME thugs are, but not all.

For example, if you saw one of these "thugs", and a well-dressed business man, which do you think would be more likely to rob a liquor store? (If you know nothing about them except their appearence.)

They both have the same likelyhood. that could be a million dollar rapper, so niether would be likely to risk their life for a couple hundred bucks. and what exactly is "well-dressed"? the "gangsta" is well dressed for a rap music video.

Sorry, but no.

Definition of thug from wikipedia: Thug, a common criminal, who treats others violently and roughly, often for hire. Often a member of a gang, as an enforcer in organized crime, and misdemeanor. 
Or if you prefer from dictionary.com: a cruel or vicious ruffian, robber, or murderer. a member of an organization of robbers and assassins in India who typically strangled their victims:
This second definition is where the word gang became associated with the word thug.  You are using Tupac's definition for thug, and not the actual meaning of the word from an english dictionary.

Also, "gansta" clothing will never be well dressed for a rap video.  They will be dressed appropriately for the job, though.

Well dressed - having tasteful clothing and being scrupulously neat; attired in clothing that is of good quality, is properly fitted, and is appropriate and becoming.

"Gangsta" clothing would generally NOT be considered any of these, unless of course refering to specific instances (in rap videos/business) where it would be considered appropriate.

[animikokala]

Whether people agree on the semantics of words like thug is really not relevent to the topic.  The topic was about whether police have the right to search, correct?  Or if they were being corrupt?  I checked FindLaw.com and found this:  Once police have validly stopped a vehicle, they may also, based on articulable facts warranting a reasonable belief that weapons may be present, conduct a Terry-type protective search of those portions of the passenger compartment in which a weapon could be placed or hidden. 65 And, in the absence of such reasonable suspicion as to weapons, police may seize contraband and suspicious items ''in plain view'' inside the passenger compartment.

Since it specifies reasonable belief, they are basically saying if the officer can convince a judge that they had reason to search, then the searching is allowed.  This is because you were stopped for a valid reason (broken light).  Had there been no reason to stop you, it would have been illegal to search.

It still doesn't mean it was right of them to search you, all I am stating is it could be legal for them to do so. 

Since I do not know the specifics, like who you were with, what the area's like, what the personality of the cop is, or any number of details that would contribute to the event, I can give neither validation nor condemnation for the officer to have done so.

[502mania]

first wiki isn't a reliable source of info
second I KNOW what a thug is and it has nothing to do with the stereotypes you listed

[walksalone11]

There is, in my opinion, never any justification of profiling strictly as race as the criteria. That said, when I worked as a bail enforcement officer I always, mentally profiled everyone I came in contact with. I do not think it is possible not to. I do think it is necessary in order to do the job in an effective and safe(for everyone involved) manner.

If one wants to avoid extraordinary attention, he tries to blend into his environment, if he fails to do so, he is just asking for individual notice.

[hwilliams591]

There is, in my opinion, never any justification of profiling strictly as race as the criteria. That said, when I worked as a bail enforcement officer I always, mentally profiled everyone I came in contact with. I do not think it is possible not to. I do think it is necessary in order to do the job in an effective and safe(for everyone involved) manner.

If one wants to avoid extraordinary attention, he tries to blend into his environment, if he fails to do so, he is just asking for individual notice.

Well said and I agree 100%

[freepcmoney]

There is, in my opinion, never any justification of profiling strictly as race as the criteria. That said, when I worked as a bail enforcement officer I always, mentally profiled everyone I came in contact with. I do not think it is possible not to. I do think it is necessary in order to do the job in an effective and safe(for everyone involved) manner.

If one wants to avoid extraordinary attention, he tries to blend into his environment, if he fails to do so, he is just asking for individual notice.

Well said and I agree 100%

BULL CRAP----What do you mean that there is never any justification for racial profiling?? How many Africians OR African- Americans have launched terrorist attacks against America?? ANSWER--NONE.  How many Asians have launched terrorist attacks against America?? ANSWER--NONE.  How many Japenese have launched terrrorist attacks against America since Pearl Harbor?? ANSWER--NONE.  How many Europeans have launched terrorist attacks against America?? ANSWER--NONE. How many Mexicans have launched terrorist attacks against America?? ANSWER--NONE. How many Muslims have launched terrorist attacks against America?? ANSWER__TOO DAMMED MANY.

[hwilliams591]

BULL CRAP----What do you mean that there is never any justification for racial profiling?? How many Africians OR African- Americans have launched terrorist attacks against America?? ANSWER--NONE.  How many Asians have launched terrorist attacks against America?? ANSWER--NONE.  How many Japenese have launched terrrorist attacks against America since Pearl Harbor?? ANSWER--NONE.  How many Europeans have launched terrorist attacks against America?? ANSWER--NONE. How many Mexicans have launched terrorist attacks against America?? ANSWER--NONE. How many Muslims have launched terrorist attacks against America?? ANSWER__TOO DAMMED MANY.

Ignorance! This makes no sense.

[sflynt]

Psh if you don't judge people you will get hurt from being stupid.

First of all, I said, "never judge a book by its cover". I'm sorry you like to judge people before knowing them. but thats not how I am. Now if you were to "trust" someone before knowing them, then I could see you getting hurt by your own stupidity. psh

[sflynt]

Psh if you don't judge people you will get hurt from being stupid.

First of all, I said, "never judge a book by its cover". I'm sorry you like to judge people before knowing them. but thats not how I am. Now if you were to "trust" someone before knowing them, then I could see you getting hurt by your own stupidity. psh

Is an opinion not a judgement...

I understand that you may believe that, however, thats not what you said.

[sflynt]

Psh if you don't judge people you will get hurt from being stupid.

First of all, I said, "never judge a book by its cover". I'm sorry you like to judge people before knowing them. but thats not how I am. Now if you were to "trust" someone before knowing them, then I could see you getting hurt by your own stupidity. psh

Is an opinion not a judgement...

I understand that you may believe that, however, thats not what you said.

Petty drama.

I know, isn't it sad?  *sarcasm* 

[sflynt]

I thought we were talking about police injustice here?? What the heck happened??

[hwilliams591]

I am sure they have reason. Cops are always nice to me. I may get attacked for this BUT the majority of black males who dress gangsta and all that are up to no good.

Your ignorance and racism is back again. How you flip in and out of your mindstate makes many think you need medical help.