The Official God Thread - To Discuss God and Seek Answers

[Falconer02]

Doesn't sound to me like you're doing much thinking here.

AMY. IT'S HER. HOW CAN YOU EXPECT ANYTHING ELSE?

[amyrouse]

I really don't care...I believe what I believe and it isn't what the majority of people believe. I believe things that people think are strange and weird, but you know, who cares.

It is well thought out...but the majority of people on the forum just don't know how to stimulate my mind...I really wish someone could because I would love to go into great detail about my beliefs.

I  think the bible may have some truth to it but a lot of it is  and that's why I don't rely on the bible for my answers, like many do.

Lots of people talk about hell but it seems silly, if you don't believe in God to keep bringing it up. Unless of course you're worried it may be the truth.

I tell you this, I have on many occassions, spoke to spirits and seen them...yet, most believers say it is nuts or weird...I almost want to laugh at them because...I talk to God, I mean literally talk to God and he talks back...so what about you.

Really you guys are barking up the wrong tree here.

OK...I believe in g-d.  I read the bible, but rely on my own interpretations for answers.  You claim there is no stimulation for your mind here, but you can't seem to research simple topics...like most recently the fact that an atomic bomb is a nuclear weapon.

I think you may be the one barking up the wrong tree.  If we're really not stimulating intellectually...why do you continue to bombard us with posts and topics?  Other than the fact that nothing is keeping you from doing it? 

[amyrouse]

Doesn't sound to me like you're doing much thinking here.

AMY. IT'S HER. HOW CAN YOU EXPECT ANYTHING ELSE?

I know...I just get irritated when I'm trying to get someone to think critically about something, and it turns into "The Marie Show", although I suppose I cater to it, as well.

[amyrouse]

I really don't care...I believe what I believe and it isn't what the majority of people believe. I believe things that people think are strange and weird, but you know, who cares.

The thing is...strange and weird...we can handle that.  I know I can.  I have a friend who believes in dragons and another who believes in fairies.  As in, they are real creatures roaming this earth and protecting us.  I think its strange...but I don't look down on them because of it.  I don't look down on you for believing g-d talks to you, that you can see auras, and that you can predict the future.  Its strange to me...but, whatever.  You believe it, it does something for you...why would I shoot that down?

I have a hard time, though, with the way you throw down on others.  You told me the bible and g-d both say I'm going to hell because I don't believe in Jesus.  I could shoot that right back at you, because many of the things you talk about could be deemed as witchcraft in the bible and therefore you should be burned alive.  Have I ever said that to you before?  No...I don't take issue with your religion (or lack thereof, or lack of understanding thereof)...I take issue with your talking down to everyone here, claiming we're not intellectually stimulating when you can't seem to keep up with our discussions, and your general rude attitude.  This post title is a great example, or at least it was before you changed it after locking and unlocking it numerous times.  There are times I think you are a person deserving of sympathy...then you pull this  and it makes me  .  And I know, I KNOW, I am not alone here in this thought.

[amyrouse]

I could shoot that right back at you, because many of the things you talk about could be deemed as witchcraft in the bible and therefore you should be burned alive.

Good thing, they don't do this stuff anymore, huh? I could go on a rant but I won't and will just leave it as is.

Good thing they don't do much of the stuff outlined in the bible anymore, huh?  That is one of the reasons why "The Bible says so" isn't a legitimate well thought out answer.

I am asking you, please please just consider this.  If you don't have any response other than "The Bible says so" or "g-d says so", or you can't elaborate on why you say that, then just don't respond.  It does nothing other than p*ss people off, and ignore you, or want to jump down your throat.  There are times when things are said that are either over my head or I feel I can't offer anything else to the topic, or that just don't interest me, and I stay back, read the posts, and refrain from responding.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.  There are times when you add much to the conversation at hand and I want to cheer you on.   Many of your posts are on topic and very intelligent and very enjoyable.  There are other times, though, where you make me   or  , and I am willing to bet it is that way with many other posters here as well.  I don't think you are a troll...much of the time.  You seem to buy into the persona, though, and its like you figure if you're going to be treated that way you might as well act that way.  Please, for those of us that enjoy you on these forums, stop that behavior.  Prove those who call you a troll wrong.  There are few things in life more gratifying than proving your opponents wrong.

[amyrouse]

I think it is strange that people who believe in God think this stuff is strange, but yeah whatever.

Its strange to me because it isn't part of my faith.  My husband and his friends believe in it.  My husband believes I have the power to heal people with my hands.  I don't agree; its strange to me.  I'm not going to tear him down because I disagree, though.  Now...if you had a show on Sundays where you charged people money to read their auras and relay messages from g-d...I might change my stance. 

The reason, I go back and forth though, is well I expect it from non believers but when believers say stuff about my abilities, it makes me question if it is real...If I thought it wasn't real, there would be no reason for me to believe in God and I would be an atheist or whatever the word for a person who knows there is no God...not just someone who doesn't believe.

You shouldn't need a reason to believe in g-d.  Many people who believe in g-d believe that g-d is a part of them and a part of everything they see.  I have strange beliefs when it comes to g-d, but I believe in g-d with everything I am.  I don't claim any mystical or spiritual power...I just know...without relying upon a book or people or anything else to tell me anything about it.  I enjoy discussing and debating, but I'm strong and grounded in my beliefs...nothing is going to change that...nothing has yet, and my life is something out of a soap opera.

Whatever your reasons are, though, you shouldn't allow anyone to tell you that you are wrong in them.  What does anyone else know about you and your personal relationship with g-d, anyway?  You've proven you're strong...so, keep that in mind when you meet others who disagree. 

This stuff, this strange stuff that happens to me, is why I believe, and when people bark up this tree...it's like wtf...to me it seems like the Devil is trying to tear me down...but I am strong...I hope he doesn't win though..

I personally don't believe in the devil...but since you do...he won't win unless you allow him to.  See above.   

[queenofnines]

How does a person know that hell doesn't exist- have they been there?-

Have you been to Neverland?  Because that's how silly this "argument" sounds.  Imaginary and/or invisible places for which there is no tangible proof do not meet the requirements for even the possibility of validity.  You are making the claim that hell exists, so YOU have to prove it, not vise versa.

you know it's pretty funny that if you ask people if they believe in heaven, they don't have a problem with it, but when you say that there is a hell to punish people, they have a problem with a big bad mean God who created hell for them if they don't accept him.

Well I think heaven is just as ridiculous and unfounded.  As for the people who deny hell but accept heaven -- that's because part of them realizes how SICK and illogical the concept of hell is.  You're latter statement makes me think you have no problem believing that the average person DESERVES to be in agony forever just for being themselves.  And that makes me very sad.  Religion has severely clouded your judgment and stripped you of your humanity.

God, who created us all, and has has a peanalty for sin, because he created us, he has a right to make the rules, and those are the rules he made, believe it or not.

Not.  Hell can be disproved by this one simple logical fact: infinite suffering for finite crimes isn't perfect, loving, OR just...character traits your god is supposed to embody.  Therefore hell (and your god) are extremely unlikely to exist.  MUSE THIS OVER.

For those who say we came form something, how do you say we were created- what's your theory?-

Of course we came from something.  That's a logical given.  We are created from our parents, who were created from their parents, and so on.  Once you get back to the first modern humans 200,000 years ago, you again trace back through the evolution of species before finally arriving at the most basic life forms.  We have strong evidence to support this form of lineage.

see if if it sounds more rational than a Being that created the beautiful world we have and everything in it.

Why is it "more rational"?  Because you don't understand the science of how the various things came to be?

hell is not a horrible aspect of Christianity

It most certainly is, and if you ever really thought about it, you'd realize this, too.

I assure you that when they take their last breath, it is the God they say they don't believe in that they will call

Just because you're insecure about dying doesn't mean we all are.  I will be thinking about my happy and full life and saying good-bye to any nearby loved ones - that's it.

there are no athiests in fox holes

I personally know MANY atheists in the military.  I know it's an expression, but it's an incorrect one.  It's a condescending stereotype.

when all hope is gone, you won't call on your family, friends, job, lover, or government, you will call on the one that your soul knows can save it- period.

Plenty of people die without invoking god every day.  Only the desperate cling to this last-minute bout of wishful thinking.  By using the phrase "when all hope is gone", me thinks you are terrified to die.  There is no hope in death if you are dying of natural causes!!  It's an inevitable biological event.

you will not sleep in hell, you will be alive, and in torment forever(yes, I said forever)- that is the price for unbelief- whether you think it harsh or not

Picture what you just described and think about how the world actually works.  Your mind has been sold to barbaric, unjustified, superstitious tradition.  How scary it must be living with an enormous bag of fake fears.

[armychick09h]

I don't accept Jesus as my savior...is there a place in hell for me, too?

That is what the bible says.

but man wrote the bible. im not disclaiming it as god word. but who is it to say that the person who wrote it (i believe a disciple) did not wrote that because he believes it to be? I know red was added to put as i think not gods word but mans? (correct me on that if i am wrong please.) But you can not prove that man did not put his words as God's when he wrote it. If you can please please prove me on this. i have still yet to find someone who can prove me on this. and just saying it is gods words is not disputing this.

And believing in neither hell nor heaven doesnt mean you'll rot in the ground in certain religions. what about rencarrnation? We all have Deja vuu, can you explain that? but then i guess you can say rencarrnation is that religions heaven maybe...

i also have a question about ...jehova...[sp?] witnesses. we all have had them come to our doors one time or another. if anybody can make it why do they say only a cartain amount will make it i forget the exact number. what will happen to the rest and how will God sort them out. What if their are more then that number? will he just pick the ones who have sinned less? Could someone clarified this for me. Cause as far as the Jehova witnesses told me is even if i repent i will more then likely never make it to heaven because of all my sins and for not letting god into my life sooner. i was told this i believe when i was ten and answered my door because i had only been to church for about a year. i slammed the door on their face. but i would love to have someone explain their beliefs a little more. are they like the snob religion of God? Not to sound rude or anything.

[amyrouse]

but man wrote the bible. im not disclaiming it as god word. but who is it to say that the person who wrote it (i believe a disciple) did not wrote that because he believes it to be? I know red was added to put as i think not gods word but mans? (correct me on that if i am wrong please.) But you can not prove that man did not put his words as God's when he wrote it. If you can please please prove me on this. i have still yet to find someone who can prove me on this. and just saying it is gods words is not disputing this.

There is contention about who the actual author(s) of the bible was/were.  Many believe the OT was divinely inspired and given to Moses by g-d with the ten commandments.  Others believe there are 3-4 authors.  In the NT, the red words are the ones Jesus spoke, and the black is what is written by the authors.  A good resource I've found on this is www.religioustolerance.org.

i also have a question about ...jehova...[sp?] witnesses. we all have had them come to our doors one time or another. if anybody can make it why do they say only a cartain amount will make it i forget the exact number. what will happen to the rest and how will God sort them out. What if their are more then that number? will he just pick the ones who have sinned less? Could someone clarified this for me. Cause as far as the Jehova witnesses told me is even if i repent i will more then likely never make it to heaven because of all my sins and for not letting god into my life sooner. i was told this i believe when i was ten and answered my door because i had only been to church for about a year. i slammed the door on their face. but i would love to have someone explain their beliefs a little more. are they like the snob religion of God? Not to sound rude or anything.

Eh, I don't know much about them, except for the fact that Jehovah is not g-d's real name.  G-d's name was written in Hebrew without vowels, and the pronunciation was lost with the destruction of the temple, so no one knows the real pronunciation of g-d's name.  What happened is that the vowels from the word "Adonai" meaning "my ruler" were lifted from the word and placed on top of the four letters symbolizing g-d's name (the tetragrammaton) and voila!  Jehovah.  Same can be said for Yahweh...not g-d's name...we don't know what g-d's name is except for "I AM", but we have nearly 100 different words we can use to call upon g-d. 

If you are interested in reading more about them, though, here is their official website:  http://www.watchtower.org/.  Knowledge is power!   

[armychick09h]

but man wrote the bible. im not disclaiming it as god word. but who is it to say that the person who wrote it (i believe a disciple) did not wrote that because he believes it to be? I know red was added to put as i think not gods word but mans? (correct me on that if i am wrong please.) But you can not prove that man did not put his words as God's when he wrote it. If you can please please prove me on this. i have still yet to find someone who can prove me on this. and just saying it is gods words is not disputing this.

There is contention about who the actual author(s) of the bible was/were.  Many believe the OT was divinely inspired and given to Moses by g-d with the ten commandments.  Others believe there are 3-4 authors.  In the NT, the red words are the ones Jesus spoke, and the black is what is written by the authors.  A good resource I've found on this is www.religioustolerance.org.

i also have a question about ...jehova...[sp?] witnesses. we all have had them come to our doors one time or another. if anybody can make it why do they say only a cartain amount will make it i forget the exact number. what will happen to the rest and how will God sort them out. What if their are more then that number? will he just pick the ones who have sinned less? Could someone clarified this for me. Cause as far as the Jehova witnesses told me is even if i repent i will more then likely never make it to heaven because of all my sins and for not letting god into my life sooner. i was told this i believe when i was ten and answered my door because i had only been to church for about a year. i slammed the door on their face. but i would love to have someone explain their beliefs a little more. are they like the snob religion of God? Not to sound rude or anything.

Eh, I don't know much about them, except for the fact that Jehovah is not g-d's real name.  G-d's name was written in Hebrew without vowels, and the pronunciation was lost with the destruction of the temple, so no one knows the real pronunciation of g-d's name.  What happened is that the vowels from the word "Adonai" meaning "my ruler" were lifted from the word and placed on top of the four letters symbolizing g-d's name (the tetragrammaton) and voila!  Jehovah.  Same can be said for Yahweh...not g-d's name...we don't know what g-d's name is except for "I AM", but we have nearly 100 different words we can use to call upon g-d. 

If you are interested in reading more about them, though, here is their official website:  http://www.watchtower.org/.  Knowledge is power!   

thanks ill look at them 

[teflonfanatic]

The no vowels in hebrew arguement is fallacious. You could say that about every word in the hebrew language.  As for heaven being limited revelation states that only 144,000 will be apart of the first resurrection(A.K.A as firstfruits)
Revelation 14:1-4.

 "what will happen to the rest and how will God sort them out. What if their are more then that number? will he just pick the ones who have sinned less? Could someone clarified this for me. Cause as far as the Jehova witnesses told me is even if i repent i will more then likely never make it to heaven because of all my sins and for not letting god into my life sooner. i was told this i believe when i was ten and answered my door because i had only been to church for about a year.

1. They're will not be more then 144,000 (Revelation 14:1-4), it's the individuals choice to determine whether your part of that group or not. People who are of the 144,000 are not to boast about it, and the JW's don't scold people that claim it. For the JW that told you that i'm srry, the truth is it's your choice. 


2. The rest will be on earth, it's true there's no phrase in the bible that says paradise earth, however they are prophecies that only occurs on earth.

"Evildoers themselves will be cut off, but those hoping in Jehovah are the ones that will possess the earth."—Psalm 37:9

There will come to be plenty of grain on the earth; on the top of the mountains there will be an overflow Psalm 72:16)

Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth( Matthew 5:5)

The sheep and goats parable helps to undertand how he will srt them out, witht the help of his son.

Hope this helps.

[jordandog]

The no vowels in hebrew arguement is fallacious.

Your proof of this? I am very interested in seeing a reply from one person in particular if she sees this one. It is basically taking the initial premise of the Jewish/Hebrew faith, it's guidelines, and the interpretation of all it's texts and saying they are false.

[teflonfanatic]

The no vowels in hebrew arguement is fallacious.

Your proof of this? I am very interested in seeing a reply from one person in particular if she sees this one. It is basically taking the initial premise of the Jewish/Hebrew faith, it's guidelines, and the interpretation of all it's texts and saying they are false.

It's fallacious because the hebrew language had no vowels

[Falconer02]

Jdog asked for proof, Teflon. You've just restated what you said already. I would like to know too-- preferrably from a source that isn't from your own faith (just to get rid of a possible biased notion).

[jordandog]

The no vowels in hebrew arguement is fallacious.

Your proof of this? I am very interested in seeing a reply from one person in particular if she sees this one. It is basically taking the initial premise of the Jewish/Hebrew faith, it's guidelines, and the interpretation of all it's texts and saying they are false.

It's fallacious because the hebrew language had no vowels

Wait a minute, you are semingly contradicting yourself here. Are you actually saying you AGREE the Hebrew language had no vowels? The way you wrote it made it seem like you were saying it was 'fallacious' because it DID have vowels. You have me completely boondoggled again.