The Official God Thread - To Discuss God and Seek Answers

[Cuppycake]

putain d'attention

[jcribb16]

I have a hard time believing that a g-d that I love and who loves me in return would give me a warning like that and do nothing else to prevent the horrible thing that happened from happening

I was raped at 12 by my boyfriend and I was a virgin. Sometimes, I wonder why God did nothing if he is there, it is easier to just think he isn't there and that is why it happend.

Marie, I am very sorry that happened to you.  I hope you have been able to achieve the victory over it and are in a much better place.  I won't go into detail, but I did have something similar happen in my life.  With Christian counselors, friends, family, and my Lord, I am doing okay today and have been able to help a few in similar situations just letting them know that they will be okay.  It's still hard, sometimes, and that situation contributed to my being shy, reserved,  and introverted.  But, I have come a long way from then.  Hang in there!

[queenofnines]

She wants people to think she's the authority.....pffffft  Yeah right!

And you must think you're some kind of authority for speaking for me?

.....and time's running out in this life.

Maybe for you, lol.  Okay, now THAT was blatantly insensitive.  

This whole situation can be compared to the second grader who says, "Look guys, there's no Santa Claus, you know" and the other kids go, "Don't say that!  Yes there IS a Santa!!  You're MEAN!!!"  They can think the kid who pointed out that there's no Santa is mean, but that doesn't mean he isn't right!

I want to know why every time I point out the obvious faults of what another has said (like tammy alluding that horoscopes/tarot cards have any validity), the new M.O. from the Christian crew is to gang up on and criticize me?  I think it's because I've continually de-valued what you all value, and most people naturally tend to get offended by that.  I've spoken too directly, too bluntly, too brashly for the average person's taste (not like it would matter much if I was as sweet as a sugar cookie; if there's an anti-god message in there, I must be evil).

There was a time months ago when jcribb, Falconer, and I were actually having decent, civil conversation in another thread; there was also a time when Sherna described me as precious, intelligent, and special.  Why do you both suddenly take all that back?  Because I've continued to pushed the envelope to an unacceptable level?

You have to understand my side that I am simply speaking out against something I know is wrong, something that is hurting humanity more than helping it.  Why would you expect me to be ultra-respectful of something that requires a permanent brain sacrifice?  (That isn't to say you guys aren't smart, but I know where you are in terms of not being able to examine the most crucial problems of your religion).

[FuzzyCottonsocks]

Wasn't this locked yesterday?

[Cuppycake]

Wasn't this locked yesterday?

She will eventually delete this topic as she is known to do.

[jcribb16]

Responding to queenofnine's post:

Yes, you finally came out honestly and admitted what is the truth.  You have definitely tried to de-value our belief in God.  You must know by now, also, that it will not work.  I have really enjoyed debating/discussing/chatting with you, that is surely the truth.  But when you continually kept pushing the de-value button and got sarcastic, and kept making our beliefs (not us or me, personally) look stupid, foolish, etc., that's when my "Irish Ire" stepped in and said, "Enough is enough. Listen to this and listen good."  You may feel our beliefs are wrong, and that's okay.  I wholeheartedly get your picture.  But, I am asking, please, to stop being that way and accept my beliefs for me. That's why I started coming back at you the way I have, because it seemed you were not listening to my side, but instead always cutting it down, cutting it off, and trying to make me look like a fool to other readers on here.  You have got to remember, too, that readers are able to decipher through these posts and see who's debating, who's arguing, and who's being just downright selfish and mean.

I do want to debate/discuss/chat (as I call it) with you on several different subjects.  You have intelligent ideas and sensible arguments.  But, apparently religion is one area that we need to agree to disagree that we believe differently and move on. If not, then we need to make our debate on this subject more adult and accommodating of each other's beliefs.

I haven't gone into as much detail as I could on the subject of Christianity, the Bible, Atheism, other religions and cults, etc., but just didn't feel right to get too technical on here.  There is such a much larger picture of all of this that started at the beginning of Creation and goes through today.  Thank you for being honest in your post and I hope my answer is sensible as well.

[jcribb16]

Quote from queenofnines:
You have to understand my side that I am simply speaking out against something I know is wrong, something that is hurting humanity more than helping it.  Why would you expect me to be ultra-respectful of something that requires a permanent brain sacrifice?  (That isn't to say you guys aren't smart, but I know where you are in terms of not being able to examine the most crucial problems of your religion).

I do understand your side and have to disagree with you, here.  What I believe is right, however, I do not agree with the weirdos that take Christianity and twist it where it hurts people, ideals, etc.  I don't believe they are deep down heartfelt Christians because true God-believing Christians don't work that way.  We, as true God-believing Christians, are plainly wanting to live for the Lord, introduce others to Him, meet with our church family and friends, grow spiritually, etc., and look forward to spending eternity with Him.  I totally don't agree with those people who are claiming to be Christian, but do things that are contrary to Christian values.

Also, there are so many sects of Christianity that are all different in many ways.  It's such a shame that people (like you, for example) can't see through these differences and instead lay blame at one entire lump of sects, when that is clearly not the case.  I believe you are honestly thinking the right things, you just need to aim it at specific sects/religions than the whole lump.  That's when I kick in on disagreeing with you.

The other remark about "knowing where we are in terms of not being able to examine the most crucial problems of your religion." is speaking for me in terms of knowledge and superiority that is not correct.  I know where I stand, and have the research, studies, and experience in certain areas to back me up.  That kind of remark is what riles people up and then they spark back at you.  I know where you are coming from, but instead, maybe you could show ideas and/or proofs of what you actually believe and why you believe that (which of course would be the opposite of Christianty.)

[queenofnines]

You speak it as if it is fact and it isn't.

Just because myths are kept alive and sincerely believed by many does not mean they're true in the slightest.  Using your reasoning, we couldn't say walking on the moon or the Holocaust are fact because there are some wackos out there with strictly-held beliefs that these events didn't happen.

There is a God

"You speak it as if it is fact and it isn't".  Right back at ya, Elissa!  Somehow there seems to be a double standard where religious people are allowed to speak in guarantees...when it's quite clear that their specific deity ISN'T fact.  It'll be fact the day that god audibly/visually speaks to the whole world at once, making it undeniably clear that he/she/it exists and what he/she/it wants (and continues to do this on a regular basis, lest he be labeled a One Hit Wonder).  So far...hasn't happened.  Man continues on in vain creating its own gods and starting wars over them.

Santa was said to live at the North pole and well...he place aint invisible so...we know he aint real.

lol  So Santa has to have invisible qualities to be real?  But of course!  Because then, like god, no one can prove him wrong because he conveniently escapes sensible testing!

There is a Santa Claus, he was a real person but he has been dead for a long time.

There *might* have been a Jesus character who was a real person, but he has been dead for a long time. 

The other remark about "knowing where we are in terms of not being able to examine the most crucial problems of your religion." is speaking for me in terms of knowledge and superiority that is not correct.

Knowledge: stemming from my very real experience as a Christian myself and interacting with other Christians.  Superiority: I can see how many of my statements may come across as sounding superior; however, it's more like my encouraging people to let go of their nonsense security blankets.

[jordandog]

Annella:

The Bible, Judaism and Islam have a few similar teachings, but Islam then branches off to their own teachings.  As in everyone that is no Muslim is an infidel, and should be put to death.

There you go again with the Muslim/infidel/kill them all. Not every follower of Islam believes and/or feels that those who do not follow their beliefs ie an 'infidel' should be put to death! You are speaking for an entire religion right there and you are NOT a follower of that religion. Visiting a country for a few weeks, months does NOT give you a full insight into its' people - you have said that yourself and specifically to queenofnines. Reading another religions holy books does NOT give you full insight into that religion and how ALL followers of it view other people. Picking and choosing which suras from the Quran YOU want to use to reinforce the point of killing all infidels is doing exactly what you call others out on when it comes to Bible interpretation, but it is perfectly okay for you to do exactly that. Example? How many times have we all discussed passages from the Bible that speak of horrendous things that should be done as a result of a person's actions? It is always countered with they applied to the time in which they were written, it is from the OT, so it is not the same today, on and on. So, what again gives YOU the 'right' to say anything about another religion?

jcribb wrote this:"What I believe is right, however, I do not agree with the weirdos that take Christianity and twist it where it hurts people, ideals, etc.  I don't believe they are deep down heartfelt Christians because true God-believing Christians don't work that way."
Are you not doing that very same thing ie taking the Islamic religion, it's holy book, and twisting it's words so that it hurts the people, their ideals etc.? I work beside many Islamics, have for many years, and they are some of the most peaceful and loving people I have known. I said before, when we were discussing the Suras regarding 'infidels', that those were written during the time of a religious war/uprising within countries, the religion, and their peoples. That those 'rules' no longer apply to everyone of the Islamic religion today. You countered with the fact you knew that they still believe that today and use it to justify killings. So tell me, how is that any different than the 'weirdos' mentioned by jcribb that twist the Bible to fit THEIR agendas here in America? It's not, but you do not see it that way. You detest all Christians being lumped together, but it is fine to do that if it is another religion and I am not saying it is done only with regard to the Islamic. It has come up in other threads, about other religions/beliefs, and in other ways too. Whether you know it or not, that is how you come across. I believe what I am getting at with my words was stated very well and very clearly by jcribb when she said this:"Also, there are so many sects of Christianity that are all different in many ways.  It's such a shame that people (like you, for example) can't see through these differences and instead lay blame at one entire lump of sects, when that is clearly not the case.  I believe you are honestly thinking the right things, you just need to aim it at specific sects/religions than the whole lump."

I happen to agree 100% with what jcribb said. I may no longer be a Christian, but I do not and never have, liked or agreed with lumping 'everyone together' in anything. It is not right to do so and I stand by that 100%. I have gotten myself into hot water by speaking out against that very thing many times, but I won't change or back off from how I feel. I am NOT applying it to queen because I am not putting her into this equation. She has had enough attacks on her, whether you feel you are right in doing that is up to you, but I am NOT putting myself in the middle - it's her right to defend herself, not mine. For the record, my words re Islams are here to point out the HUGE discrepancy you exhibit. It has nothing to do with my feelings on 9/11 or anything else, so please do NOT confuse the two and bring that into this.

[Annella]

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She wants people to think she's the authority.....pffffft  Yeah right!

And you must think you're some kind of authority for speaking for me?

Quote from: Annella on October 01, 2010, 07:28:50 pm
.....and time's running out in this life.

Maybe for you, lol.  Okay, now THAT was blatantly insensitive.

To qon: I was answering to someone else about how I viewed what you were trying to imply.  Not speaking for you.

Oh, I know I'm reaching the "golden years", and happy to be approaching there.  Like I told Walksalone on another thread.  There are times I'm just tired, and want to go home.....and I do.  I have no qualms about leaving this old earth.  I look forward to it at times.


To jordondog:  We've been over this Islam/Muslim conversation over and over.  I've studied it...you've studied it. We come out with 2 different opinions.....so what?  No 2 people agree on everything in the world.  You and I disagree on just about 99.99% of just about everything written on this forum.  Since we are both entitled to our own opinion.......well.........  However, That small percentage of resting and eating ice cream is one thing I agree with you about....lol

I'm getting my own website up, working the design at the present time, and lining up sponsors.  I won't be around much after that, as it will have a Forum also, that I will need to keep an eye on myself.  I'll be in and out here only to earn my $3.

[shernajwine]

Sherna described me as precious, intelligent, and special.

You are precious, intelligent, and special. Just because we have debated and you frustrated me doesn't change that. Everyone I love frustrates me and even makes me  sometimes lol. I'm human, what can I say!

[queenofnines]

Just because we have debated and you frustrated me doesn't change that.

Well that's nice to know.    I thought as the result of heated debate, maybe you stopped liking me.  lol

[jcribb16]

Quote from: jcribb16
The other remark about "knowing where we are in terms of not being able to examine the most crucial problems of your religion." is speaking for me in terms of knowledge and superiority that is not correct.

Quote from: queenofnines
Knowledge: stemming from my very real experience as a Christian myself and interacting with other Christians.  Superiority: I can see how many of my statements may come across as sounding superior; however, it's more like my encouraging people to let go of their nonsense security blankets.

I don't necessarily disagree with your knowledge from your experience as a Christian and interacting with other Christians.  What troubles me, is that I have to wonder what happened to change that deep down relationship you had with Christ.  I could never turn my back on Him like that, so something must have happened to make you want to change.  I have my knowledge as a Christian, too, as well as my interactions with other Christians that are of like beliefs.  I have not even come near to the change you made from Christian to non-christian.

With your superiority comment, at least you do admit "may come across as sounding superior."  However, you then turn around and call our beliefs "nonsense security blankets."  That is uncalled for.  My beliefs are not "nonsense security blankets" just as your atheism beliefs to you are not "nonsense security blankets."  I could say that they are, but it is not my business to call your beliefs names.  It's my business to continue my life for my Lord in the way of my beliefs.

[Annella]

Quote from: jcribb16
The other remark about "knowing where we are in terms of not being able to examine the most crucial problems of your religion." is speaking for me in terms of knowledge and superiority that is not correct.

Quote from: queenofnines
Knowledge: stemming from my very real experience as a Christian myself and interacting with other Christians.  Superiority: I can see how many of my statements may come across as sounding superior; however, it's more like my encouraging people to let go of their nonsense security blankets.

I don't necessarily disagree with your knowledge from your experience as a Christian and interacting with other Christians.  What troubles me, is that I have to wonder what happened to change that deep down relationship you had with Christ.  I could never turn my back on Him like that, so something must have happened to make you want to change.  I have my knowledge as a Christian, too, as well as my interactions with other Christians that are of like beliefs.  I have not even come near to the change you made from Christian to non-christian.

With your superiority comment, at least you do admit "may come across as sounding superior."  However, you then turn around and call our beliefs "nonsense security blankets."  That is uncalled for.  My beliefs are not "nonsense security blankets" just as your atheism beliefs to you are not "nonsense security blankets."  I could say that they are, but it is not my business to call your beliefs names.  It's my business to continue my life for my Lord in the way of my beliefs.

Wow Jcribb...excellent post!

[jcribb16]

Quote from: jcribb16
The other remark about "knowing where we are in terms of not being able to examine the most crucial problems of your religion." is speaking for me in terms of knowledge and superiority that is not correct.

Quote from: queenofnines
Knowledge: stemming from my very real experience as a Christian myself and interacting with other Christians.  Superiority: I can see how many of my statements may come across as sounding superior; however, it's more like my encouraging people to let go of their nonsense security blankets.

I don't necessarily disagree with your knowledge from your experience as a Christian and interacting with other Christians.  What troubles me, is that I have to wonder what happened to change that deep down relationship you had with Christ.  I could never turn my back on Him like that, so something must have happened to make you want to change.  I have my knowledge as a Christian, too, as well as my interactions with other Christians that are of like beliefs.  I have not even come near to the change you made from Christian to non-christian.

With your superiority comment, at least you do admit "may come across as sounding superior."  However, you then turn around and call our beliefs "nonsense security blankets."  That is uncalled for.  My beliefs are not "nonsense security blankets" just as your atheism beliefs to you are not "nonsense security blankets."  I could say that they are, but it is not my business to call your beliefs names.  It's my business to continue my life for my Lord in the way of my beliefs.

Wow Jcribb...excellent post!

Thank you, Annella!  It's the truth!