The Official God Thread - To Discuss God and Seek Answers

[tee1265]

I guess that I am a retard because I believe in God!! God is the creator of all things  even the "bright" person that came up with this topic!!!!

[queenofnines]

Magical thinking?

Magical thinking!  Five Biggest LIES About Christianity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAQTohoF718

Then why call yourself an Agnostic, when your view clearly favors the atheistic side.

Agnostics and atheists are buddies, yo!  Atheists ARE agnostic and agnostics ARE atheist.  An agnostic is ATHEIST when it comes to Yahweh and other defined gods because atheism deals with belief.  An atheist can be AGNOSTIC when it comes to the possibility of undefined gods in general because it is the only logical position to take.

So agnostics are not the cliche, "I don't know what I believe!"  They actually are atheist when it comes to your god.  

[jcribb16]

New Scientific Evidence for the Existence of God
A Seminal Presentation by Astrophysicist Dr. Hugh Ross, given in South Barrington, Illinois, April 16, 1994




http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/audio/newevidence.htm

P.S. (QON):  I know you will belittle and try to prove otherwise, but that's okay, it's your opinion, after all.

[applebananna]

That is ridiculous!  Many intelligent people believe in a higher power.  I believe no one knows the answer and whatever gives them meaning to their life is all that matters.

[Falconer02]

I have NEVER forced my beliefs on someone. On this forum for the most part people of other beliefs are the ones who bring it up and try to degrade my choice of religion. I understand and acknowledge other religions and never claimed not to, doesn't mean I can't be a Christian through and through.

Did I ever accuse you? I'm pretty sure I didn't, but I don't remember. If I blatantly did, sorry. And understand Marie is the crazy one who's doing this type of crap constantly. The only 'degrading' I do is pushing for an aerial view of belief systems and the introduction of skepticism into questional beliefs. For instance if a muslim came up to you and said Muhummad flew to heaven on some horse-creature and stayed up there for a number of years to then come back down and tell people to pray 5 times a day, I'm sure you'd question the legitimacy. But then looking at your beliefs and how they have similar fantastical stories, you may question those too. I was once told I was under the influence of Satan for doing this, so apparently I'm evil. Beware of my toxic words!

Thank you for your honesty.  Your not quite the enigma.  Just wondered what you believed, as you never seemed to light on one thing. 

Hey, no prob!

Ha Ha....you stole those scriptures from another forum to ask me....funny!

Well someone had posted it in a thread and nobody answered the posters question- they just seemed to have glossed over it and continued on. I figured you'd have some description of it.

Poseidon...now that's magical thinking! 

Yes, but considering gods come and go throughout the centuries, how do you know if in 1-2 hundred/thousand years your god will not be the same? I understand, like the Hindu teachings, your beliefs have survived a fairly long time. But it brings me to wonder if some skeptic in the Greek days asked this same question about societies current gods and they just brushed it aside as the person being "lost" or something. Ehh maybe they didn't question it because they'd get their head chopped off.

Science that tries to define the universe without a Creator, in many ways comes up short....and still is.  If you want to target magical thinking, some of the theories some so called
Scientists come up with can be linked in that category.

I dunno...there are some stretches, but I wouldn't label them as magical because they're attempted or explained in a natural light (minus the ET origins I suppose- it's debatable). They're constantly trying to find evidences within nature and there's nothing wrong with that- this sort of eliminates the magical part. But, as I've stated a lot, just because there's gaps does not mean people should stuff them with a defined deity and write it off as undeniable proof. Usually the major problem with them is the time factor and the chance factor which they usually acknowledge.

Agnostics and atheists are buddies, yo!  Atheists ARE agnostic and agnostics ARE atheist.  An agnostic is ATHEIST when it comes to Yahweh and other defined gods because atheism deals with belief.  An atheist can be AGNOSTIC when it comes to the possibility of undefined gods in general because it is the only logical position to take.

This is true. Liljp once said all atheists are agnostic-atheists which makes sense. I just usually take the 'strong-agnostic' stand and yell nobody knows for certain.

[walksalone11]

So only agnostics are open-minded? Everyone else is close-minded and not a free-thinker? haha

It's only closed when you assert or physically force beliefs onto individuals with nothing to realistically back it up (reason, logic) and say it's the only way of thinking. Anyone can be a free-thinker. I'm sure we can agree fanatics and extremists definitely aren't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought
Edit: And yes, I acknowledge imagination as being direly important in some cases.

I have NEVER forced my beliefs on someone. On this forum for the most part people of other beliefs are the ones who bring it up and try to degrade my choice of religion. I understand and acknowledge other religions and never claimed not to, doesn't mean I can't be a Christian through and through.

Mackenzie, no one that I know of on this forum (including you) has forced their religion or beliefs on anyone.  That's another "catch phrase" to put you on the defensive.  We are who we are, and content in that knowledge.  

I have been off my computer for a couple days but have been trying to keep up with threads via my cell phone which I can't post from, so forgive me if I reply to something from an other thread. (Im not going back thru them all)

First, concerning this thread, specifically, Rev Bigots posts right here......if you vote against equal gay rights, as you have often times stated you have, and will continue to do, then yes you most certainly are attempting to impose your own moral standards upon all others, its as simple as that.

Elsewhere, I saw you post that you do not judge others.
BS........thats bullshit, Daddy Mack.
Everyone who has an opinion on the behaviour of others are making a judgement call regardless of what we base it on.

Finally, you said something about members dissecting your every word and phrases.

You make it well know over and over that you are a Rev, in other words a teacher of Christian dogma, just as JDog is a school teacher, JC is a health professional and I speak on NDN issues. If we are going to put ourselves in the position of someone with supposed knowledge of our area of concern, we owe it to every other member to be very clear and precise of what we say. Many people dont worry with this important fact and a hell of a lot of usless and often times harmfull information gets out there this way.

You say you own all of your words, so don't go getting your bloomers all in a wad when someone points out that some of them are pretty damn incredulous.  

(edit) oh yeah....bout forgot.....you said everyone lumps all Christians into one basket, or words to that effect.....
Not even close. One of my closest and dearest friends is a very devout Christian. Mrs. Sherna is Christian and I have great respect for her.....not because she is Christian, but because it is very evident, in my opinion based on what I have seen, that she is a very tolerant person of others and has much compassion and concerns for others besides her self, JC seems very respectable to me, I like Amy and Falconer and many others on here who have all kinds of differing beliefs. I don't give two squats what someone believes in I care about how they treat others.
A very wise Elder advised me not over a couple months ago, that if I wanted to know a bit about someone, just watch how they talk and notice how many times they reference themselves in a given conversation. You are pretty impressed with your self huh Rev. Bigot?

[jordandog]

Wondered where you had been, Walks.
Not a huge deal, unless I attempt to start teaching children which I am totally unqualified to do and that harmful information you mentioned would definitely come into play, but you have this reversed:
"just as JDog is a school teacher, JC is a health professional" - other way around.

[SurveyMack10]

So only agnostics are open-minded? Everyone else is close-minded and not a free-thinker? haha

It's only closed when you assert or physically force beliefs onto individuals with nothing to realistically back it up (reason, logic) and say it's the only way of thinking. Anyone can be a free-thinker. I'm sure we can agree fanatics and extremists definitely aren't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought
Edit: And yes, I acknowledge imagination as being direly important in some cases.

I have NEVER forced my beliefs on someone. On this forum for the most part people of other beliefs are the ones who bring it up and try to degrade my choice of religion. I understand and acknowledge other religions and never claimed not to, doesn't mean I can't be a Christian through and through.

NO Marie brings up all of these ignorant topic threads. Nobody degrades your religion again Marie does a good enough job herself in this area. And no one said you cannot be a christian. Be what you want to be, but don't go around pointing the finger when you cleary know who starts this crap.

haha nobody degrades my religion? read the thread then post.

[SurveyMack10]

Magical thinking?

Magical thinking!  Five Biggest LIES About Christianity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAQTohoF718

Then why call yourself an Agnostic, when your view clearly favors the atheistic side.

Agnostics and atheists are buddies, yo!  Atheists ARE agnostic and agnostics ARE atheist.  An agnostic is ATHEIST when it comes to Yahweh and other defined gods because atheism deals with belief.  An atheist can be AGNOSTIC when it comes to the possibility of undefined gods in general because it is the only logical position to take.

So agnostics are not the cliche, "I don't know what I believe!"  They actually are atheist when it comes to your god.  

Atheists believe in NO higher power, so how can they be agnostic in that idea?

[SurveyMack10]

So only agnostics are open-minded? Everyone else is close-minded and not a free-thinker? haha

It's only closed when you assert or physically force beliefs onto individuals with nothing to realistically back it up (reason, logic) and say it's the only way of thinking. Anyone can be a free-thinker. I'm sure we can agree fanatics and extremists definitely aren't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought
Edit: And yes, I acknowledge imagination as being direly important in some cases.

I have NEVER forced my beliefs on someone. On this forum for the most part people of other beliefs are the ones who bring it up and try to degrade my choice of religion. I understand and acknowledge other religions and never claimed not to, doesn't mean I can't be a Christian through and through.

Mackenzie, no one that I know of on this forum (including you) has forced their religion or beliefs on anyone.  That's another "catch phrase" to put you on the defensive.  We are who we are, and content in that knowledge.  

I have been off my computer for a couple days but have been trying to keep up with threads via my cell phone which I can't post from, so forgive me if I reply to something from an other thread. (Im not going back thru them all)

First, concerning this thread, specifically, Rev Bigots posts right here......if you vote against equal gay rights, as you have often times stated you have, and will continue to do, then yes you most certainly are attempting to impose your own moral standards upon all others, its as simple as that.

Elsewhere, I saw you post that you do not judge others.
BS........thats bullshit, Daddy Mack.
Everyone who has an opinion on the behaviour of others are making a judgement call regardless of what we base it on.

Finally, you said something about members dissecting your every word and phrases.

You make it well know over and over that you are a Rev, in other words a teacher of Christian dogma, just as JDog is a school teacher, JC is a health professional and I speak on NDN issues. If we are going to put ourselves in the position of someone with supposed knowledge of our area of concern, we owe it to every other member to be very clear and precise of what we say. Many people dont worry with this important fact and a hell of a lot of usless and often times harmfull information gets out there this way.

You say you own all of your words, so don't go getting your bloomers all in a wad when someone points out that some of them are pretty damn incredulous.  

(edit) oh yeah....bout forgot.....you said everyone lumps all Christians into one basket, or words to that effect.....
Not even close. One of my closest and dearest friends is a very devout Christian. Mrs. Sherna is Christian and I have great respect for her.....not because she is Christian, but because it is very evident, in my opinion based on what I have seen, that she is a very tolerant person of others and has much compassion and concerns for others besides her self, JC seems very respectable to me, I like Amy and Falconer and many others on here who have all kinds of differing beliefs. I don't give two squats what someone believes in I care about how they treat others.
A very wise Elder advised me not over a couple months ago, that if I wanted to know a bit about someone, just watch how they talk and notice how many times they reference themselves in a given conversation. You are pretty impressed with your self huh Rev. Bigot?

Firstly, I'll tell ya again that I'm a girl. I know you'll probably make another crack about why my name says mack, but considering my name is Mackenzie that's not that hard to understand.
Secondly, DISAGREEING is not the same as judging. I don't think it's right and it's not something I would do, doesn't mean I condemn those that do. So try to fathom the thought for one second that all Christians aren't overly judgemental.
Voting for something in public isn't trying to force your beliefs on someone, it's just democracy.

[walksalone11]

So only agnostics are open-minded? Everyone else is close-minded and not a free-thinker? haha

It's only closed when you assert or physically force beliefs onto individuals with nothing to realistically back it up (reason, logic) and say it's the only way of thinking. Anyone can be a free-thinker. I'm sure we can agree fanatics and extremists definitely aren't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought
Edit: And yes, I acknowledge imagination as being direly important in some cases.

I have NEVER forced my beliefs on someone. On this forum for the most part people of other beliefs are the ones who bring it up and try to degrade my choice of religion. I understand and acknowledge other religions and never claimed not to, doesn't mean I can't be a Christian through and through.

Mackenzie, no one that I know of on this forum (including you) has forced their religion or beliefs on anyone.  That's another "catch phrase" to put you on the defensive.  We are who we are, and content in that knowledge.  

I have been off my computer for a couple days but have been trying to keep up with threads via my cell phone which I can't post from, so forgive me if I reply to something from an other thread. (Im not going back thru them all)

First, concerning this thread, specifically, Rev Bigots posts right here......if you vote against equal gay rights, as you have often times stated you have, and will continue to do, then yes you most certainly are attempting to impose your own moral standards upon all others, its as simple as that.

Elsewhere, I saw you post that you do not judge others.
BS........thats bullshit, Daddy Mack.
Everyone who has an opinion on the behaviour of others are making a judgement call regardless of what we base it on.

Finally, you said something about members dissecting your every word and phrases.

You make it well know over and over that you are a Rev, in other words a teacher of Christian dogma, just as JDog is a school teacher, JC is a health professional and I speak on NDN issues. If we are going to put ourselves in the position of someone with supposed knowledge of our area of concern, we owe it to every other member to be very clear and precise of what we say. Many people dont worry with this important fact and a hell of a lot of usless and often times harmfull information gets out there this way.

You say you own all of your words, so don't go getting your bloomers all in a wad when someone points out that some of them are pretty damn incredulous.  

(edit) oh yeah....bout forgot.....you said everyone lumps all Christians into one basket, or words to that effect.....
Not even close. One of my closest and dearest friends is a very devout Christian. Mrs. Sherna is Christian and I have great respect for her.....not because she is Christian, but because it is very evident, in my opinion based on what I have seen, that she is a very tolerant person of others and has much compassion and concerns for others besides her self, JC seems very respectable to me, I like Amy and Falconer and many others on here who have all kinds of differing beliefs. I don't give two squats what someone believes in I care about how they treat others.
A very wise Elder advised me not over a couple months ago, that if I wanted to know a bit about someone, just watch how they talk and notice how many times they reference themselves in a given conversation. You are pretty impressed with your self huh Rev. Bigot?

Firstly, I'll tell ya again that I'm a girl. I know you'll probably make another crack about why my name says mack, but considering my name is Mackenzie that's not that hard to understand.
Secondly, DISAGREEING is not the same as judging. I don't think it's right and it's not something I would do, doesn't mean I condemn those that do. So try to fathom the thought for one second that all Christians aren't overly judgemental.
Voting for something in public isn't trying to force your beliefs on someone, it's just democracy.

I know you are a girl....uhhhh scratch that, woman.
If you make a decision of whether anything is right, or wrong, that is a judgment call, you know that....act right.
If laws are passed allowing gay marriage, it will in no way force you to modify your usual behavior and in no way victimize you in anyway, therefor the law does not concern you and if you vote on it, regardless of how many other people vote of other laws that equally do not concern them and their welfare, you are attempting to force people to conform to your ethics.

[SurveyMack10]

So only agnostics are open-minded? Everyone else is close-minded and not a free-thinker? haha

It's only closed when you assert or physically force beliefs onto individuals with nothing to realistically back it up (reason, logic) and say it's the only way of thinking. Anyone can be a free-thinker. I'm sure we can agree fanatics and extremists definitely aren't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought
Edit: And yes, I acknowledge imagination as being direly important in some cases.

I have NEVER forced my beliefs on someone. On this forum for the most part people of other beliefs are the ones who bring it up and try to degrade my choice of religion. I understand and acknowledge other religions and never claimed not to, doesn't mean I can't be a Christian through and through.

Mackenzie, no one that I know of on this forum (including you) has forced their religion or beliefs on anyone.  That's another "catch phrase" to put you on the defensive.  We are who we are, and content in that knowledge.  

I have been off my computer for a couple days but have been trying to keep up with threads via my cell phone which I can't post from, so forgive me if I reply to something from an other thread. (Im not going back thru them all)

First, concerning this thread, specifically, Rev Bigots posts right here......if you vote against equal gay rights, as you have often times stated you have, and will continue to do, then yes you most certainly are attempting to impose your own moral standards upon all others, its as simple as that.

Elsewhere, I saw you post that you do not judge others.
BS........thats bullshit, Daddy Mack.
Everyone who has an opinion on the behaviour of others are making a judgement call regardless of what we base it on.

Finally, you said something about members dissecting your every word and phrases.

You make it well know over and over that you are a Rev, in other words a teacher of Christian dogma, just as JDog is a school teacher, JC is a health professional and I speak on NDN issues. If we are going to put ourselves in the position of someone with supposed knowledge of our area of concern, we owe it to every other member to be very clear and precise of what we say. Many people dont worry with this important fact and a hell of a lot of usless and often times harmfull information gets out there this way.

You say you own all of your words, so don't go getting your bloomers all in a wad when someone points out that some of them are pretty damn incredulous.  

(edit) oh yeah....bout forgot.....you said everyone lumps all Christians into one basket, or words to that effect.....
Not even close. One of my closest and dearest friends is a very devout Christian. Mrs. Sherna is Christian and I have great respect for her.....not because she is Christian, but because it is very evident, in my opinion based on what I have seen, that she is a very tolerant person of others and has much compassion and concerns for others besides her self, JC seems very respectable to me, I like Amy and Falconer and many others on here who have all kinds of differing beliefs. I don't give two squats what someone believes in I care about how they treat others.
A very wise Elder advised me not over a couple months ago, that if I wanted to know a bit about someone, just watch how they talk and notice how many times they reference themselves in a given conversation. You are pretty impressed with your self huh Rev. Bigot?

Firstly, I'll tell ya again that I'm a girl. I know you'll probably make another crack about why my name says mack, but considering my name is Mackenzie that's not that hard to understand.
Secondly, DISAGREEING is not the same as judging. I don't think it's right and it's not something I would do, doesn't mean I condemn those that do. So try to fathom the thought for one second that all Christians aren't overly judgemental.
Voting for something in public isn't trying to force your beliefs on someone, it's just democracy.

I know you are a girl....uhhhh scratch that, woman.
If you make a decision of whether anything is right, or wrong, that is a judgment call, you know that....act right.
If laws are passed allowing gay marriage, it will in no way force you to modify your usual behavior and in no way victimize you in anyway, therefor the law does not concern you and if you vote on it, regardless of how many other people vote of other laws that equally do not concern them and their welfare, you are attempting to force people to conform to your ethics.

If it was being judgemental I would be active AGAINST the movement. Or even preaching to the gays. I have friends that are gay. I don't go around telling everyone how wrong they are- I'm addressing it here because it is a debate and discuss forum, I didn't even start the thread. It's not judgemental to recognize sin. I sin every day, and I don't think being gay is a WORSE sin. However, it is well within my rights to vote against its legalization, not that I've been old enough to vote for long anyway. I don't think voting against something is trying to impose my ethics on others? If that is so then democracy is what you have a problem with. We all live here so we all get a say when laws change in this country, if you think every law put in place should be passed at the risk of offending someone you have hopes for a way different country than I do.

[SurveyMack10]

I was definitely thinking I was on the religion/homosexuality thread with that last post- feel free to disregard the part referring to homosexuals ha.

[Annella]

So only agnostics are open-minded? Everyone else is close-minded and not a free-thinker? haha

It's only closed when you assert or physically force beliefs onto individuals with nothing to realistically back it up (reason, logic) and say it's the only way of thinking. Anyone can be a free-thinker. I'm sure we can agree fanatics and extremists definitely aren't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought
Edit: And yes, I acknowledge imagination as being direly important in some cases.

I have NEVER forced my beliefs on someone. On this forum for the most part people of other beliefs are the ones who bring it up and try to degrade my choice of religion. I understand and acknowledge other religions and never claimed not to, doesn't mean I can't be a Christian through and through.

Mackenzie, no one that I know of on this forum (including you) has forced their religion or beliefs on anyone.  That's another "catch phrase" to put you on the defensive.  We are who we are, and content in that knowledge.  

I have been off my computer for a couple days but have been trying to keep up with threads via my cell phone which I can't post from, so forgive me if I reply to something from an other thread. (Im not going back thru them all)

First, concerning this thread, specifically, Rev Bigots posts right here......if you vote against equal gay rights, as you have often times stated you have, and will continue to do, then yes you most certainly are attempting to impose your own moral standards upon all others, its as simple as that.

Elsewhere, I saw you post that you do not judge others.
BS........thats bullshit, Daddy Mack.
Everyone who has an opinion on the behaviour of others are making a judgement call regardless of what we base it on.

Finally, you said something about members dissecting your every word and phrases.

You make it well know over and over that you are a Rev, in other words a teacher of Christian dogma, just as JDog is a school teacher, JC is a health professional and I speak on NDN issues. If we are going to put ourselves in the position of someone with supposed knowledge of our area of concern, we owe it to every other member to be very clear and precise of what we say. Many people dont worry with this important fact and a hell of a lot of usless and often times harmfull information gets out there this way.

You say you own all of your words, so don't go getting your bloomers all in a wad when someone points out that some of them are pretty damn incredulous.  

(edit) oh yeah....bout forgot.....you said everyone lumps all Christians into one basket, or words to that effect.....
Not even close. One of my closest and dearest friends is a very devout Christian. Mrs. Sherna is Christian and I have great respect for her.....not because she is Christian, but because it is very evident, in my opinion based on what I have seen, that she is a very tolerant person of others and has much compassion and concerns for others besides her self, JC seems very respectable to me, I like Amy and Falconer and many others on here who have all kinds of differing beliefs. I don't give two squats what someone believes in I care about how they treat others.
A very wise Elder advised me not over a couple months ago, that if I wanted to know a bit about someone, just watch how they talk and notice how many times they reference themselves in a given conversation. You are pretty impressed with your self huh Rev. Bigot?

I've always said I'm a sinner saved by grace, or Christians are just sinners saved by grace, or glorified dirt.  I'm impressed with the changing power of God.  The Glory is God's....not mine.  Clergy is my profession.  I'm happy to be working in it.  The love of my life is God.  I'm definitely impressed with Him......absolutely!!

[Annella]

If it was being judgemental I would be active AGAINST the movement. Or even preaching to the gays. I have friends that are gay. I don't go around telling everyone how wrong they are- I'm addressing it here because it is a debate and discuss forum, I didn't even start the thread. It's not judgemental to recognize sin. I sin every day, and I don't think being gay is a WORSE sin. However, it is well within my rights to vote against its legalization, not that I've been old enough to vote for long anyway. I don't think voting against something is trying to impose my ethics on others? If that is so then democracy is what you have a problem with. We all live here so we all get a say when laws change in this country, if you think every law put in place should be passed at the risk of offending someone you have hopes for a way different country than I do.

You can put it in so much better words than I could.  Your a good writer Mackenzie.