The Official God Thread - To Discuss God and Seek Answers

[jordandog]

Thanks, Amy. Reading what you wrote sent a shiver up my spine, I cannot possibly imagine how many times that split second runs through your mind. Maybe it doesn't, I am not you, but that's exactly what I was getting at.

[Falconer02]

A good example...the moment I laid eyes on the man that raped me, I wanted to run in the other direction as fast as possible, but I didn't.  If that was g-d telling me to leave, then why didn't g-d remove me from the situation instead of trying to do some psychic mumbo jumbo on me? 

:-(

[SurveyMack10]

you have a feeling that you shouldn't go to a certain place, you have a bad feeling, but you choose to go anyway

I have this happen to me on a fairly regular basis, always have, but I do NOT attribute it to 'god warning me'. It is instinct, a highly acute sense of myself and my surroundings that I have developed over the years and, in some cases, a memory of a prior experience with something or someone I cannot quite put my finger on. It is how and why our brains work the way they do ie to help us survive. It is no different really than an animal that has had a close encounter with a predator and at some point later on is in that same situation/surroundings, senses that something is not right, but continues in their action. Sometimes they escape in one piece, sometimes they are injured, and at times they become dinner. That is a very simplified breakdown, but I think it gets my point across. 

I think you said it well, Jordandog.

A good example...the moment I laid eyes on the man that raped me, I wanted to run in the other direction as fast as possible, but I didn't.  If that was g-d telling me to leave, then why didn't g-d remove me from the situation instead of trying to do some psychic mumbo jumbo on me? 

One of the core concepts of Christianity is that God leaves us with the decision...starts back with Adam and Eve having the choice to take Satan's bait or not to...

[amyrouse]

you have a feeling that you shouldn't go to a certain place, you have a bad feeling, but you choose to go anyway

I have this happen to me on a fairly regular basis, always have, but I do NOT attribute it to 'god warning me'. It is instinct, a highly acute sense of myself and my surroundings that I have developed over the years and, in some cases, a memory of a prior experience with something or someone I cannot quite put my finger on. It is how and why our brains work the way they do ie to help us survive. It is no different really than an animal that has had a close encounter with a predator and at some point later on is in that same situation/surroundings, senses that something is not right, but continues in their action. Sometimes they escape in one piece, sometimes they are injured, and at times they become dinner. That is a very simplified breakdown, but I think it gets my point across. 

I think you said it well, Jordandog.

A good example...the moment I laid eyes on the man that raped me, I wanted to run in the other direction as fast as possible, but I didn't.  If that was g-d telling me to leave, then why didn't g-d remove me from the situation instead of trying to do some psychic mumbo jumbo on me? 

One of the core concepts of Christianity is that God leaves us with the decision...starts back with Adam and Eve having the choice to take Satan's bait or not to...

So...what you're saying here is that g-d warned me to run away and since I didn't it was my fault I was raped?  Thats 

And don't get me started on the interpretation of Adam and Eve, because I definitely don't agree with you there...

[502mania]

Wierd place to jump in (haven't looked over the whole thread) but I think God made a group of people - not just two - and i think that adam and eve is a metaphorical lesson for the creation of man

[jcribb16]

There are also way more rapists that are Christians than that aren't...

That's what I was trying to say to jcribb: believers make up the majority of the population.  So statistically, there's more people who are believers who will commit the bad stuff...and they often think they have a free pass to do so with the god card.

Actually, there are many different religions and sects that say they are believers, such as Buddhists, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Islam, and on and on, just to name a few.  Put those all together and yes, they would make up the majority of the population. If you are going to accuse believers of committing most of the bad stuff, then you should sort through all of the religions, break them down, and then give a statistic of who does what.  Not surprisingly, you may find only particular groups of religious sects have committed most of the bad stuff.  I would question them, then, and ask them just who it is they actually believe in, to do those awful things to others.  It's not right to just lump all these religions/sects into one big group, when we all don't believe the same way or in the same god.

[queenofnines]

Actually, there are many different religions and sects that say they are believers, such as Buddhists, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Islam, and on and on, just to name a few.  Put those all together and yes, they would make up the majority of the population. If you are going to accuse believers of committing most of the bad stuff, then you should sort through all of the religions, break them down, and then give a statistic of who does what.  Not surprisingly, you may find only particular groups of religious sects have committed most of the bad stuff.

Buddhists don't believe in god. 

OF COURSE Islam is currently worse than Christianity, but need I remind everyone that's only because Christianity was dragged kicking and screaming into secular enlightenment.  Christianity has the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Salem Witch Trials, murdering the Native Americans, wars, burning people at the stake, outlawing scientific progress, the promotion of slavery, etc. all to its name!

So just because the religion has become a bit more civilized does NOT mean the potential is not still there to be as bad as it used to be.  And there's still plenty of bad going on because of it even today...do I really need to go over the specifics again?

[amyrouse]

Wierd place to jump in (haven't looked over the whole thread) but I think God made a group of people - not just two - and i think that adam and eve is a metaphorical lesson for the creation of man

Sherene and I had a discussion about this...I think you might actually enjoy reading through it...  http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=17688.msg221049#msg221049

[jcribb16]

Actually, there are many different religions and sects that say they are believers, such as Buddhists, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Islam, and on and on, just to name a few.  Put those all together and yes, they would make up the majority of the population. If you are going to accuse believers of committing most of the bad stuff, then you should sort through all of the religions, break them down, and then give a statistic of who does what.  Not surprisingly, you may find only particular groups of religious sects have committed most of the bad stuff.

Buddhists don't believe in god. 

OF COURSE Islam is currently worse than Christianity, but need I remind everyone that's only because Christianity was dragged kicking and screaming into secular enlightenment.  Christianity has the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Salem Witch Trials, murdering the Native Americans, wars, burning people at the stake, outlawing scientific progress, the promotion of slavery, etc. all to its name!

So just because the religion has become a bit more civilized does NOT mean the potential is not still there to be as bad as it used to be.  And there's still plenty of bad going on because of it even today...do I really need to go over the specifics again?

I didn't say Buddhists believe in God; I said they were believers.     Once again, you are lumping all Christians to all the bad stuff you mentioned.  That is wrong.  I do not support that.  As I said, there are different sects to religion and Christianity. 

[SurveyMack10]

you have a feeling that you shouldn't go to a certain place, you have a bad feeling, but you choose to go anyway

I have this happen to me on a fairly regular basis, always have, but I do NOT attribute it to 'god warning me'. It is instinct, a highly acute sense of myself and my surroundings that I have developed over the years and, in some cases, a memory of a prior experience with something or someone I cannot quite put my finger on. It is how and why our brains work the way they do ie to help us survive. It is no different really than an animal that has had a close encounter with a predator and at some point later on is in that same situation/surroundings, senses that something is not right, but continues in their action. Sometimes they escape in one piece, sometimes they are injured, and at times they become dinner. That is a very simplified breakdown, but I think it gets my point across. 

I think you said it well, Jordandog.

A good example...the moment I laid eyes on the man that raped me, I wanted to run in the other direction as fast as possible, but I didn't.  If that was g-d telling me to leave, then why didn't g-d remove me from the situation instead of trying to do some psychic mumbo jumbo on me? 

One of the core concepts of Christianity is that God leaves us with the decision...starts back with Adam and Eve having the choice to take Satan's bait or not to...

So...what you're saying here is that g-d warned me to run away and since I didn't it was my fault I was raped?  Thats 

And don't get me started on the interpretation of Adam and Eve, because I definitely don't agree with you there...

HOW DARE YOU put those words in my mouth. Don't you dare EVER make me out to sound like a careless human being. I meant God didn't just REMOVE you from the situtation because he doesn't just POOF make us disappear from bad situations. But whatever, if you want to be petty and put words in my mouth that's fine I dont want to be a part of it.

[Annella]

Everybody has a moral center that tells them right from wrong....no matter what you believe, or what religion you claim.....or don't claim.  We also have laws of the land that are Bible based on it's teachings and foundations (Do not kill, for instance).  Whether I believed in God or not, there are unspoken rules I adhere to because I'm......human.

You can call yourself any religion you like, but until you bear and put forth fruit that is spiritually and morally acceptable by both God and man.....your a fake.  The parable of the wheat and tares in the Bible is a good example of those calling themselves Christians, and all they are.....are phony's.  There are those in various religions and sects that give Christianity a bad name.  The tares looked like Christians, but misused the Word of God.  They use Christianity for a cloak of deceit to work mayhem.  

A religion that teaches celibacy (for life) is not interpreting the Word correctly.  They've taken a truth, and expanded on it, and twisted it to where it no more resembles the original Script than a comic book.  This is common in many so called "Christian movements".

Jcribb has said it well, as it's been said many times before.  You can't lump all Christians or believers in your negative perception of any group that titles themselves as Christian.  Calling myself a dress designer, doesn't make it so, if all I can do is mend socks.
  

[shernajwine]

Annella's back! 

[Annella]

I'm back on US soil.  Be home tomorrow.  In NY tonight.  Good to be back though my friends! 

Thank you Sherene

[amyrouse]

you have a feeling that you shouldn't go to a certain place, you have a bad feeling, but you choose to go anyway

I have this happen to me on a fairly regular basis, always have, but I do NOT attribute it to 'god warning me'. It is instinct, a highly acute sense of myself and my surroundings that I have developed over the years and, in some cases, a memory of a prior experience with something or someone I cannot quite put my finger on. It is how and why our brains work the way they do ie to help us survive. It is no different really than an animal that has had a close encounter with a predator and at some point later on is in that same situation/surroundings, senses that something is not right, but continues in their action. Sometimes they escape in one piece, sometimes they are injured, and at times they become dinner. That is a very simplified breakdown, but I think it gets my point across. 

I think you said it well, Jordandog.

A good example...the moment I laid eyes on the man that raped me, I wanted to run in the other direction as fast as possible, but I didn't.  If that was g-d telling me to leave, then why didn't g-d remove me from the situation instead of trying to do some psychic mumbo jumbo on me? 

One of the core concepts of Christianity is that God leaves us with the decision...starts back with Adam and Eve having the choice to take Satan's bait or not to...

So...what you're saying here is that g-d warned me to run away and since I didn't it was my fault I was raped?  Thats 

And don't get me started on the interpretation of Adam and Eve, because I definitely don't agree with you there...

HOW DARE YOU put those words in my mouth. Don't you dare EVER make me out to sound like a careless human being. I meant God didn't just REMOVE you from the situtation because he doesn't just POOF make us disappear from bad situations. But whatever, if you want to be petty and put words in my mouth that's fine I dont want to be a part of it.

I'm not the one who is trying to make anyone out to be anything here.  It is a reasonable conclusion to make based on your words.  Your words did offend me, though.  That is a very careless thing to say to a rape survivor...and you turning it around on me like that is even more offensive.  I am a believer...I wholeheartedly believe and love g-d, but I would never say that g-d failed to protect me from being raped...just like I would never say my mother is the cause of my rape because she gave birth to me.  I don't see me as being the petty one here, but each person has a different view.   

I just read the words as they are written, and I cannot see your intention behind them.  The words as they were written were highly offensive and  .  Of course g-d doesn't just remove us from bad situations because g-d is not active in our world...that instinct of mine was not g-d warning me but a survival instinct that I ignored.  G-d loves me and would not willingly allow me to be harmed if g-d was actively participating in that time and place...just like my parents would never have sat idly by and allowed it to happen.

Your attitude, though, remains offensive to me.  It seems to me that you think that I am out to make you look like a bad person, and I'm not.  I think you are a smart and intelligent young woman who, while you may lack in some life experiences due to your young age, adds something to this forum when you are not jumping down the throats of those with whom you disagree.  But, whatever, I do not want any part of your defensive attitude.

Cool?

[amyrouse]

I'm back on US soil.  Be home tomorrow.  In NY tonight.  Good to be back though my friends!

Good to see you back.  I've missed you!