The Official God Thread - To Discuss God and Seek Answers

[Annella]

I'm back on US soil.  Be home tomorrow.  In NY tonight.  Good to be back though my friends!

Good to see you back.  I've missed you!

Thank you Amy

[jcribb16]

Everybody has a moral center that tells them right from wrong....no matter what you believe, or what religion you claim.....or don't claim.  We also have laws of the land that are Bible based on it's teachings and foundations (Do not kill, for instance).  Whether I believed in God or not, there are unspoken rules I adhere to because I'm......human.

You can call yourself any religion you like, but until you bear and put forth fruit that is spiritually and morally acceptable by both God and man.....your a fake.  The parable of the wheat and tares in the Bible is a good example of those calling themselves Christians, and all they are.....are phony's.  There are those in various religions and sects that give Christianity a bad name.  The tares looked like Christians, but misused the Word of God.  They use Christianity for a cloak of deceit to work mayhem.  

A religion that teaches celibacy (for life) is not interpreting the Word correctly.  They've taken a truth, and expanded on it, and twisted it to where it no more resembles the original Script than a comic book.  This is common in many so called "Christian movements".

Jcribb has said it well, as it's been said many times before.  You can't lump all Christians or believers in your negative perception of any group that titles themselves as Christian.  Calling myself a dress designer, doesn't make it so, if all I can do is mend socks.
  

Thanks, Annella!!!  Welcome back!!!!!!!!   

[Annella]

Thanks, Annella!!!  Welcome back!!!!!!!!

Thank you Jcribb

[amyrouse]

I'm back on US soil.  Be home tomorrow.  In NY tonight.  Good to be back though my friends!

Good to see you back.  I've missed you!

Thank you Amy

I do my best to speak only the truth as best as I know it!  LOL   

[SurveyMack10]

you have a feeling that you shouldn't go to a certain place, you have a bad feeling, but you choose to go anyway

I have this happen to me on a fairly regular basis, always have, but I do NOT attribute it to 'god warning me'. It is instinct, a highly acute sense of myself and my surroundings that I have developed over the years and, in some cases, a memory of a prior experience with something or someone I cannot quite put my finger on. It is how and why our brains work the way they do ie to help us survive. It is no different really than an animal that has had a close encounter with a predator and at some point later on is in that same situation/surroundings, senses that something is not right, but continues in their action. Sometimes they escape in one piece, sometimes they are injured, and at times they become dinner. That is a very simplified breakdown, but I think it gets my point across. 

I think you said it well, Jordandog.

A good example...the moment I laid eyes on the man that raped me, I wanted to run in the other direction as fast as possible, but I didn't.  If that was g-d telling me to leave, then why didn't g-d remove me from the situation instead of trying to do some psychic mumbo jumbo on me? 

One of the core concepts of Christianity is that God leaves us with the decision...starts back with Adam and Eve having the choice to take Satan's bait or not to...

So...what you're saying here is that g-d warned me to run away and since I didn't it was my fault I was raped?  Thats 

And don't get me started on the interpretation of Adam and Eve, because I definitely don't agree with you there...

HOW DARE YOU put those words in my mouth. Don't you dare EVER make me out to sound like a careless human being. I meant God didn't just REMOVE you from the situtation because he doesn't just POOF make us disappear from bad situations. But whatever, if you want to be petty and put words in my mouth that's fine I dont want to be a part of it.

I'm not the one who is trying to make anyone out to be anything here.  It is a reasonable conclusion to make based on your words.  Your words did offend me, though.  That is a very careless thing to say to a rape survivor...and you turning it around on me like that is even more offensive.  I am a believer...I wholeheartedly believe and love g-d, but I would never say that g-d failed to protect me from being raped...just like I would never say my mother is the cause of my rape because she gave birth to me.  I don't see me as being the petty one here, but each person has a different view.   

I just read the words as they are written, and I cannot see your intention behind them.  The words as they were written were highly offensive and  .  Of course g-d doesn't just remove us from bad situations because g-d is not active in our world...that instinct of mine was not g-d warning me but a survival instinct that I ignored.  G-d loves me and would not willingly allow me to be harmed if g-d was actively participating in that time and place...just like my parents would never have sat idly by and allowed it to happen.

Your attitude, though, remains offensive to me.  It seems to me that you think that I am out to make you look like a bad person, and I'm not.  I think you are a smart and intelligent young woman who, while you may lack in some life experiences due to your young age, adds something to this forum when you are not jumping down the throats of those with whom you disagree.  But, whatever, I do not want any part of your defensive attitude.

Cool?

It's not a constant defensive attitude. It simply irritates me that you made it sound like I was in any way saying being raped was your fault. That's crap. I wasn't even responding to the fact that you were raped, I was responding to the comment of "why didn't God just remove me from the situation." The man who violated you has free will as we all do, he made the choice to do an evil, awful thing. It's not your fault it's his fault. I was simply pointing out that the reason it happened is because we DO have free will, all of us, not just the good ones. I was in no way trying to say you were at fault for being raped, that is ludicrous and something like that would NEVER come out of my mouth, and it offended me that you would make it seem as such. It's a horrible thing to have happened and is one of the worst things that ever takes place in our world and I would never ever say anyone in any way asked for it. That is NEVER the situation. I was ONLY responding to the God aspect.

[SurveyMack10]

Everybody has a moral center that tells them right from wrong....no matter what you believe, or what religion you claim.....or don't claim.  We also have laws of the land that are Bible based on it's teachings and foundations (Do not kill, for instance).  Whether I believed in God or not, there are unspoken rules I adhere to because I'm......human.

You can call yourself any religion you like, but until you bear and put forth fruit that is spiritually and morally acceptable by both God and man.....your a fake.  The parable of the wheat and tares in the Bible is a good example of those calling themselves Christians, and all they are.....are phony's.  There are those in various religions and sects that give Christianity a bad name.  The tares looked like Christians, but misused the Word of God.  They use Christianity for a cloak of deceit to work mayhem.  

A religion that teaches celibacy (for life) is not interpreting the Word correctly.  They've taken a truth, and expanded on it, and twisted it to where it no more resembles the original Script than a comic book.  This is common in many so called "Christian movements".

Jcribb has said it well, as it's been said many times before.  You can't lump all Christians or believers in your negative perception of any group that titles themselves as Christian.  Calling myself a dress designer, doesn't make it so, if all I can do is mend socks.
  

So true :0) Nice to have you back!

[Annella]

Thank you Mackenzie   I'll be on the last leg of my journey in a couple hours.

[queenofnines]

We also have laws of the land that are Bible based on it's teachings and foundations (Do not kill, for instance).

Ha!  Every time I see another incorrect cliche like this, it's demonstrated how little people really know about their religion compared to society at large.  Recap, folks:

Our First Ammendment VIOLATES the First Commandment.  You know, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me"?  How about, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"?  That's a diss to god if I ever saw one.  

Commandments Two (graven images), Three (take god's name in vain), Four (Sabbath), Five (honor parents), Seven (adultery), Ten (coveting) are NOT laws...in fact, #2 again violates the First Amendment; many people work on Friday/Saturday/Sunday; you shouldn't have to respect your parents if they were sh*theads who abused you; and #10 is actually detrimental to the economy if followed.

The three Commandments that actually are U.S. law: don't kill, don't steal, don't commit perjury.  Wow...3 out of (at least) 10??  Not going for a high score, I guess.

And just a quick history lesson: Hammurabi's Code predates the Bible by at least 1,000 years and contains all three of those laws.  So no, you don't get to claim that the Bible has ANYTHING to do with our laws.

And FYI: If you followed just a fraction of the 600+ commandments in the Bible, you'd find your butt in jail and/or be given the death penalty.  Good thing you just ignore those unpleasant ones, eh?

Good video on this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxwzic3gbgU

[sheenu]

 

[queenofnines]

I wasn't even responding to the fact that you were raped, I was responding to the comment of "why didn't God just remove me from the situation." The man who violated you has free will as we all do, he made the choice to do an evil, awful thing. It's not your fault it's his fault. I was simply pointing out that the reason it happened is because we DO have free will, all of us, not just the good ones.

Y'all really get yourself into a pickle with this "free will" thing.  So what you're saying is god cares more about the rapist's free will than Amy's.  Before someone explodes in anger, think about it -- Amy presumably has "free will" too, and it is violating HER free will to be raped.  So god cares more about the rapist's free will by default by standing back and doing nothing.

You all know that would have to be the case if there were a Biblegod, you just don't want to admit it.  

[jordandog]

The exchange between amyrouse and Survey Mack is a perfect example of things that get 'rattled off' when they have become ingrained and rote, random comments from ANY religion. Right, wrong, or otherwise, when I read Survey Mack's reply to the situation with Amy and her rapist, I was immediately angered also by how flippant it came across. It was evidently NOT intended that way, but my hackles went up! It was not my place to get into the middle of it, I am simply voicing my opinion here. But as queen pointed out, it's so easy to "get yourself into a pickle with this "free will" thing."

The 'free will' concept is too often used as a 'bandaid' to cover deplorable actions by humans and I find that in itself deplorable. The story of Adam and Eve cannot be used as the first example of it either because they had no concept of will period, so how can it be deemed 'free will'?

[queenofnines]

God does nothing because of Free Will.

Then why the hell does anyone pray?  Because whatever you're praying for would interrupt someone else's free will.  Logical fail, go!

Sure she didn't want to be raped but the man was stronger...if God stopped that then I am sure he would stop everything else and there would be no free will.

That is such a cop-out for an incompetent god.  Any GOOD parent will try their best to prevent their child from being hurt (fingers in light socket, abusive boyfriend), or hurting themselves (drugs, skipping homework).  That is interfering with the kid's "free will" while still allowing them to "not be a robot" (like Xtians love to claim)!!!  If mere humans can do this and are EXPECTED to, why can't god? 

Hmm, maybe because he's not there...?   

[cwoodard34]

if someone calls you retarded its cause they are afraid of how smart you are

[queenofnines]

if someone calls you retarded its cause they are afraid of how smart you are

Please actually read the whole thread before you respond.  lol

[tzs]

if someone calls you retarded its cause they are afraid of how smart you are

wow, that was retarded!!

sorry, couldnt resist!!!