Freedom of Speech

[Administrator]

Didn't read the entire thread but a few things stuck out...

- This is not a public forum, it's a private forum, hosted on a private server owned by a private corporation.  Your posts become the exclusive property of FusionCash, Inc. upon submission.

- There is no such thing as a "Public Forum Act" nor any federal statutes (to my knowledge) that govern forums specifically.  You may be thinking of "common carrier" status which some communications mediums claim (often unsuccessfully once tried in court).  But "common carrier" is used in the opposite way -- they claim that by NOT moderating the posts, they are immune to prosecution for hosting illegal content [Read more].  Once again, this is a private forum - we DO actively moderate posts because we have a financial incentive to do so.  We make no claims to being a common carrier, nor that we support "freedom of speech" in the absolute sense.

- While you may feel otherwise, we actually do read and consider member posts and opinions - both on the forums and via support ticket.  FusionCash has over one million members, only a fraction of which are represented here on the forums.  We do our best to balance the needs and wants of members and advertisers, but it's often tricky.  Here are some examples of member suggestions which we have implemented:
http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=1867.msg18227#msg18227 - Ignore offers
http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=1859.msg18021#msg18021 - Referral FAQ
http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=1756.msg16918#msg16918 - Click tracking page
http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=1461.msg14329#msg14329 - Ignore forum posters
http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=833.msg8002#msg8002 - Mislabeled offer
http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=522.msg4946#msg4946 - Offer was slowing down people's computers
http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=359.msg3232#msg3232 - Offer went down

Here are some examples of me providing an explanation as to why a suggestion was not implemented:
http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=1743.msg16907#msg16907 - Offer reporting function
http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=1743.msg17300#msg17300 - "I completed this offer" button
http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=1040.msg10616#msg10616 - Why there aren't more 'no cc' offers

- The last thing that bugs me about this thread are the allegations that we 'jump on' people who post negative remarks.  While we do indeed moderate posts that offer unfounded criticisms of our advertisers (hey, they pay the bills), we make an effort to promote open discourse.  For example, this thread went to four pages of constructive debate about the discontinuation of the manual credit program. 

Nobody is perfect, and that applies even more so to businesses.  We do not claim to be.  We're here to turn a profit.  If you don't like it, or if you disagree with any of our policies -

you know where the door is

[Administrator]

Oh -- and I'm giving you special permission to post a link to any verifiable source of these so-called federal laws regarding internet discussion mediums (you wont be banned, even if there are referral links).  You claim that it's an extension of the constitution, but that makes no sense at all: "freedom of speech" is (well, more or less) guaranteed by the First Amendment and not the Constitution, and neither the Constitution nor any of the amendments have been amended with the Internet in mind.  It's all frankly too new.  So please -- put up or shut up, as you said you were doing several pages ago.

[JUILAGILL]

I was reading a few threads where people would post their feelings about certain offer or advertiser or other feelings about things and all that would be posted in the reply was, "read the forum rules."

I'm not one to step on anyone's toes, but I run a few online forum's and there's federal guidelines that you have to follow, including the right to free speech.  The "rules" listed are against federal statutes regarding online venues where people gather to chat or whatever you want to call it. 

In other words; you can't block or suspend someone who says something bad about an advertiser.  As long as there's nothing offensive to other posters, then they can't be threatened to be banned from the forum.  And by offensive that means nothing regarding sex, religion, race, or sexual orientation. 

It's against federal laws and is punishable by law if someone is suspended or threatened to be suspended if they don't break any rules.  No public forum can create rules just for the heck of it; they have to abide by federal online rules.  This is a PUBLIC forum.  Which means that the rules enforced have to be ones created by the federal government regarding online activity.  If this was a private forum that would be different, but posters would still be able to post constructive remarks against advertisers.  If most of them would pay out like they say they're going to, then there wouldn't be any reason to say anything bad about them.  I can tell you 5 different links on here that everyone would be wasting their time on going through.

On top of that, if someone wishes to cancel; they have that right to do so and they also have the right to ask how to cancel to.  Nobody can be held against their will to keep something they don't want.  It's called a free trial for a reason and it's also come and go at will.  Because there's no binding contract for anything offered on here.  If they want to cancel and the offer states "sign up for free trial" then they have the right to cancel before the free trial is up.  I'd be willing to bet that 99.9% of the members of this site only sign up for the free trial and cancel after it's credited.  Fine and dandy, that's their business and you can't deny that you do it.  I know too many people on here that do it.  I know somebody bragging about how they made $700 in one month by creating fake references, but nothing was said to them, because they are a senior member of this site.

It also states that anyone and everyone can post a link to another website as long as they don't falsify the content of the website.  This includes referral links.  Like I said as long as they don't say, "make a million dollars overnight," then it is legal for them to post it inside a public forum.  Let's be honest, most everybody on here belongs to another site anyway; so what does it matter?  And most sites only offer pennies to maybe a dollar or so for a referral.  A small price that NOBODY HAS TO PAY OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKET in order to help someone else make a little more money.  It would be different if that person had to pay for it themselves.  Which again isn't against the law as long as it's stated someone.

The point I'm trying to make isn't trying to ruin peoples chances in making extra money, but it's learn to treat everybody fair and equal; which doesn't happen in this forum.

So, I suggest that the rules be changed to the federal guidelines before this site gets sited for breaking federal laws and is shut down perminately.

Like I said, I didn't want to step on any toes; I'm just stating things that I know for a fact that can't be done in a public forum.

You are on a private server. ROFL.  how old are you

[jazzy3098]

Oh -- and I'm giving you special permission to post a link to any verifiable source of these so-called federal laws regarding internet discussion mediums (you wont be banned, even if there are referral links).  You claim that it's an extension of the constitution, but that makes no sense at all: "freedom of speech" is (well, more or less) guaranteed by the First Amendment and not the Constitution, and neither the Constitution nor any of the amendments have been amended with the Internet in mind.  It's all frankly too new.  So please -- put up or shut up, as you said you were doing several pages ago.

Here Here  Clapping  Just as I have said in my second post of this thread I want to see this so called law he is talking about.  To me this person sounds totaly full of it cause I have dared him to post the law in here several times and he still hasn't.  I am glad that you too are telling him to post this so called law in here for all of us to read.

[thejoe2k8]

READ THIS:  I made it perfectly clear when I created this thread that I did NOT want to step on anybody's toes.  Never intended to.  Whenever I committed to the post, my intension was to inform fusioncash that there IS a federal law governing online chat sites and PUBLIC forums.  You can go on any forum or chat site and read these ammendments or you can go to any federal government office and get this upon request.  It's something they created a few years ago when online activity became more popular and more people were attending these chat rooms and forums more than a physical outlet.  So they modified those laws and any other chatroom site (yahoo, aol, msn) has these laws posted in their terms.  This is a public forum whether you want to admit to it or not.  Regardless of being run off of a private server from a private company or not.  The only way you can consider this a PRIVATE forum is to charge a membership fee.  Which no one would pay for when their main purpose here is to try to make extra money.

I haven't been jumped on or called names?  How about hypocrite?  I was attacked and accused of trying to shut this site down whenever I enjoy coming on this site and doing offers to make a little extra money.  I was trying to help this site and I get accused of doing the opposite.  So, yeah, that pisses me off to an extent.  Then again it doesn't matter to me really, because all you are to me is a name.

But, like I said, my intentions were to be nice and inform somebody what was going on and they might want to change something before anyone got in trouble.  I'm sorry for trying to help.  If I upset anyone or got anyone riled up...  Good, because you deserve it from the way you reacted whenever you clearly didn't read what I was saying.

THIS JUST IN:  LIKE I'VE SAID OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER.  THIS IS IN PLAIN TYPED ENGLISH.  GO TO ANY CHAT ROOM AND ANY FORUM AND LOOK AT THE TOS.  THE AMMENDMENT OF FREE SPEECH IS THE FIRST AMMENDMENT OF THE CONSTITUTION.  WHICH WE ALL LEARN IN SCHOOL.  DARE ME ALL YOU WANT, I DON'T PLAY LITTLE SCHOOLHOUSE GAMES.  I TRIPLE DOG DARE YOU TO GO TO ANY FRIGGIN' CHAT ROOM AND READ THE FRIGGIN' FEDERAL LAWS THAT MENTIONS FRIGGIN' ONLINE ACTIVITY.  YES, YES, INCLUDING CHAT ROOMS AND PUBLIC, READ IT GOOD, PUBLIC FORUMS.  I'M NOT POSTING ANY LINK TO MY FORUM, BECAUSE FRANKLY I DON'T WANT TRASH CLUTTERING UP MY SERVER.  THERE YOU HAVE IT.  TAKE THE TIME YOURSELF AND LOOK IT UP OR LEARN THE HARD WAY.  SO YOU'RE THE ONE WITH SOMETHING TO PROVE HERE.  MY END IS JUST PLAIN COMMON FRIGGIN' SENSE.  YOU WANT TO PROVE ME WRONG, GO AHEAD AND TRY.  BECAUSE I PERSONALLY WANT TO BE HERE WHEN YOU HAVE A BIG, SWEATY, FUNGUS BOUND FOOT SANDWHICH.  OR A BIG BUFFET OF CROW.

[jazzy3098]

READ THIS:  I made it perfectly clear when I created this thread that I did NOT want to step on anybody's toes.  Never intended to.  Whenever I committed to the post, my intension was to inform fusioncash that there IS a federal law governing online chat sites and PUBLIC forums.  You can go on any forum or chat site and read these ammendments or you can go to any federal government office and get this upon request.  It's something they created a few years ago when online activity became more popular and more people were attending these chat rooms and forums more than a physical outlet.  So they modified those laws and any other chatroom site (yahoo, aol, msn) has these laws posted in their terms.  This is a public forum whether you want to admit to it or not.  Regardless of being run off of a private server from a private company or not.  The only way you can consider this a PRIVATE forum is to charge a membership fee.  Which no one would pay for when their main purpose here is to try to make extra money.

I haven't been jumped on or called names?  How about hypocrite?  I was attacked and accused of trying to shut this site down whenever I enjoy coming on this site and doing offers to make a little extra money.  I was trying to help this site and I get accused of doing the opposite.  So, yeah, that pisses me off to an extent.  Then again it doesn't matter to me really, because all you are to me is a name.

But, like I said, my intentions were to be nice and inform somebody what was going on and they might want to change something before anyone got in trouble.  I'm sorry for trying to help.  If I upset anyone or got anyone riled up...  Good, because you deserve it from the way you reacted whenever you clearly didn't read what I was saying.

THIS JUST IN:  LIKE I'VE SAID OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER.  THIS IS IN PLAIN TYPED ENGLISH.  GO TO ANY CHAT ROOM AND ANY FORUM AND LOOK AT THE TOS.  THE AMMENDMENT OF FREE SPEECH IS THE FIRST AMMENDMENT OF THE CONSTITUTION.  WHICH WE ALL LEARN IN SCHOOL.  DARE ME ALL YOU WANT, I DON'T PLAY LITTLE SCHOOLHOUSE GAMES.  I TRIPLE DOG DARE YOU TO GO TO ANY FRIGGIN' CHAT ROOM AND READ THE FRIGGIN' FEDERAL LAWS THAT MENTIONS FRIGGIN' ONLINE ACTIVITY.  YES, YES, INCLUDING CHAT ROOMS AND PUBLIC, READ IT GOOD, PUBLIC FORUMS.  I'M NOT POSTING ANY LINK TO MY FORUM, BECAUSE FRANKLY I DON'T WANT TRASH CLUTTERING UP MY SERVER.  THERE YOU HAVE IT.  TAKE THE TIME YOURSELF AND LOOK IT UP OR LEARN THE HARD WAY.  SO YOU'RE THE ONE WITH SOMETHING TO PROVE HERE.  MY END IS JUST PLAIN COMMON FRIGGIN' SENSE.  YOU WANT TO PROVE ME WRONG, GO AHEAD AND TRY.  BECAUSE I PERSONALLY WANT TO BE HERE WHEN YOU HAVE A BIG, SWEATY, FUNGUS BOUND FOOT SANDWHICH.  OR A BIG BUFFET OF CROW.

I think the only one who will be eating crow my friend is you.  YOu still have yet to provide us with the exact law.  You have yet to even post the exat law and were you found it.  So as the Administartor said PUT UP OR SHUT UP.  I on the other hand quite truthfully think that you are full of you know what and you are just an attention seeker.

[Administrator]

any other chatroom site (yahoo, aol, msn) has these laws posted in their terms.

I'm really trying to find a federal law that has anything to do with online forums.
According to Wikipedia, the newest constitutional amendment was passed in 1992 and has to do with congressional salaries (it makes no mention of free speech, online forums, or anything of the sort). [Source]

Here's a link to the Terms of Service for AOL's messaging service: http://about.aol.com/aolnetwork/terms_use
And Microsoft/MSN's: http://tou.live.com/en-us/default.aspx
And Yahoo!'s: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Here's some of the Terms of Service for the largest bulletin boards (forums) on the internet:
IGN, FaceTheJury, Gaia Online.

I'm asking you, in the "plain English" you seem to love so much, to please point out a single mention in any of those documents of these so-called laws regarding free speech, public/private forums, etc.  Because I can't.  You repeatedly claim to "like" FusionCash -- if that's the case, surely you can take a moment to save us from being shut down?  Please, educate me.  I'd love to know what I'm doing wrong, as its not my intention to break any laws.

If your next post fails to cite a reliable source for your so-called "federal laws", I'm giving you a 24 hour probationary ban for trolling and inciting.

Oh, and here's a link to the full text of the First Amendment (also known as the Bill of Rights): http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html

As you'll see, the only entity prohibited from restricting freedom of speech is Congress itself.  A corporation is legally charged to pursue its own self-interest (i.e. profit) and nothing more or less.

[jazzy3098]

any other chatroom site (yahoo, aol, msn) has these laws posted in their terms.

I'm really trying to find a federal law that has anything to do with online forums.
According to Wikipedia, the newest constitutional amendment was passed in 1992 and has to do with congressional salaries (it makes no mention of free speech, online forums, or anything of the sort). [Source]

Here's a link to the Terms of Service for AOL's messaging service: http://about.aol.com/aolnetwork/terms_use
And Microsoft/MSN's: http://tou.live.com/en-us/default.aspx
And Yahoo!'s: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Here's some of the Terms of Service for the largest bulletin boards (forums) on the internet:
IGN, FaceTheJury, Gaia Online.

I'm asking you, in the "plain English" you seem to love so much, to please point out a single mention in any of those documents of these so-called laws regarding free speech, public/private forums, etc.  Because I can't.  You repeatedly claim to "like" FusionCash -- if that's the case, surely you can take a moment to save us from being shut down?  Please, educate me.  I'd love to know what I'm doing wrong, as its not my intention to break any laws.

If your next post fails to cite a reliable source for your so-called "federal laws", I'm giving you a 24 hour probationary ban for trolling and inciting.

Oh, and here's a link to the full text of the First Amendment (also known as the Bill of Rights): http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html

As you'll see, the only entity prohibited from restricting freedom of speech is Congress itself.  A corporation is legally charged to pursue its own self-interest (i.e. profit) and nothing more or less.

Administrator I say let him go.  I think all of us by now could tell this person is nothing but a FAKE and an ATTENTION SEAKER.  I too want to see this so called law after all law runs in my family and I know how to read law.  I also know how to find case law.  So please let this FOOL keep going.  We all know this is just his way of getting attention.  Oh and by the way he has won he has gotten the attention he wanted.

Now as for this Fake and ATTENTION SEAKER why should any of us have to look for this so called law when you were the one who brought this forth to us.  YOu are the one who should provide us with this so called law.  You are the one who should post the law here and show us all were exactly you got it from.  If this was a Political discusion by now I would say your a Liberal and part of the ACLU or that you like them.  So tell us all when are you going to POST this so called law.

Oh and as far as you feeling like every one is against you.  Well what do you expect when you post some thing like this with out showing us any proff of what you are talking about when you have been repeetedly asked to.  Oh yah and by the way one of the links to some of the things in the forums that the administrator posted here was a link to some thing I started the is now 4 pages long and still growing. 

I was upset when they took away the Manual credit and I have gotten alot of support from alot of people.  Did the Administrator lock my thread?  The answer is NO.  He has made his point clear from time to time on my thread and we have dissagreed along with others.  So as you can see there is freedome of speach here.  If there wasn't do you think this discusion would still be going.  Come on use your mind not your what what your sitting on.

[jlb001]

I TRIPLE DOG DARE YOU....[/i][/b]

 

this just got serious.

i'll see your triple dogs and raise you five cats!

 

[jazzy3098]

I TRIPLE DOG DARE YOU....[/i][/b]

 

this just got serious.

i'll see your triple dogs and raise you five cats!

 

jlb  Thank you for the Laugh you always seem to make me giggle and lagh with some of your stuff.  LOL   

[jlb001]

jlb  Thank you for the Laugh you always seem to make me giggle and lagh with some of your stuff.  LOL   

 

[alissatucci]

I've read this entire thread and two people I really like:

TheJoe2K8 and Admin.

Am I weird? haha

[jazzy3098]

I've read this entire thread and two people I really like:

TheJoe2K8 and Admin.

Am I weird? haha

Have you also been able to read the posts from those on your iggy list?  I know you have 2 right now but do not know if any of them are in on this one?  Oh and by the way take note I was the first one who wanted to see this so called law posted here for all of us to see.  The admin since then has also taken my side and wants to see this so called law. so what about me?  Lol...................

[tragicrabbit]

Wow...  I can't believe how worked up people get about stuff like this.  We've got people name calling (fake, hypocrite), daring people to post the actual laws...  it's ridiculous.  Kohler was very polite in his responses but whoever this other Admin person is, he's not making a very good impression...  kinda snotty actually... 

Seems like there are more important things we could be doing with our time then ragging on someone who posted something people may not agree with.  IT'S A GPT SITE!  It's not like he's bad mouthing your mother... 

[jlb001]

Wow...  I can't believe how worked up people get about stuff like this.  We've got people name calling (fake, hypocrite), daring people to post the actual laws...  it's ridiculous.  Kohler was very polite in his responses but whoever this other Admin person is, he's not making a very good impression...  kinda snotty actually... 

Seems like there are more important things we could be doing with our time then ragging on someone who posted something people may not agree with.  IT'S A GPT SITE!  It's not like he's bad mouthing your mother... 

ok.

first....
***We've got people name calling ***

then....
this other Admin person is,....  kinda snotty actually... 

the word for the day, my friend, is ... congruency.

without it, you just contradict yourself.