In the physical world we live in almost everything is from dirt. Food, rocks, trees, glass, steel, metal, computers etc Today man has been able to make a being in his own image to a degree from matter. We call that being robot.
What are you talking about? You're starting off with old ancient myths and concluding with robots now. Is it really that hard to get your head more than 2 inches away from your bible? Look, sorry to sound so offensive, but you'd learn a lot more about this world if you wouldn't constantly jump into your small religious bubble and act like you know what you're talking about when talking universals. "Oh there were angels before the earth was made. It's true. I know it." No. You don't. What it comes down to is that you have an old outdated rewritten book chock-full of fantasies and you're using it as a source for scientific research and teaching. It would seem as if you're completely comfortable with the self-deception that comes along with your belief system.
I don't see how your first and third quotes of me fit into science.
That's the problem. You need logical explanations for these things if you're going to march around asserting that these myths are true to justify current events. Telling people that they were made from dust from some deity/spreading around the world through narrow incestuous breeding/ superiorly vague ideas about the future makes absolutely no sense. Rejecting reality and education in favor of asserting fantasy and allowing for the impossible (self-deception) is your only way to justify these beliefs.
What would you consider good evidence outside of actually seeing an extraterrestrial being?
I always get a kick out of this- considering the religious believe in old myths, it would be logical to conclude that it wouldn't take too much evidence. But that's rarely the case. I'm sure that there will be some double-standard that will present itself.
What are you talking about? You're starting off with old ancient myths and concluding with robots now.
1. When we die our bodies return to dust after we die, have you ever seen Egyptian corpses before? Although the body is still intact somewhat are they not as dirt?
Here's a "scientific" definition 0_0 "Decomposition is the reduction of bodies and other formerly living organisms into simpler forms of matter; and most particularly to the fate of the body, after death. The science which studies decomposition generally is called taphonomy". wordiq.com
2. Humans are greedy, surely they can make any place they want habitable and live there if they want. Yet they still can't inhabit Babylon, why is that? No matter how you interpret it something that was foretold thousands of years ago and still is unhabitated thousands of years later like the document said, A.K.A as the bible.
Ruins of Babylon:
http://www.ldsteiner.com/Iraq/Maze-like%20passages%20in%20the%20ruins%20of%20Babylon.jpgIsaiah 13:19-20 READS 19 And Babylon, the decoration of kingdoms, the beauty of the pride of the Chal·de′ans, must become as when God overthrew Sod′om and Go·mor′rah. 20 She will never be inhabited, nor will she reside for generation after generation. And there the Arab will not pitch his tent, and no shepherds will let [their flocks] lie down there.
3. Robots are slowly becoming more and more human, I saw a video in which a robotic priest married 2 people. Robots is the closet thing humans can make in our own image in this world, they have a brain(CPU), they have senses(sensors), they can move, talk and communicate. Also some are smart enough to beat you at chess. They have veins(wires), there made from dirt(metal is made from dirt) , where do you think it came from after the complex formations of atom and molecules). They run on energy(electricity). C3PO or whatever that robot from star wars is called is not very far away. Falconer when you get a chance find a person who used to work for area 51 and ask them about what they're making, I guarantee that you will hear stuff straight out of star trek!!!!!!!!!!!
4. According to you we are so far advanced from our ancestors right? (which according to you are billions of years ago , I may be a few million or so years wrong), so by following your logic everything they did we should have no problem doing right?
Ok, explain to me structures like Stonehenge.
Explain to me this medical procedure THAT WASN'T KNOWN WITHOUT DIVINE INTERVENTION UNTIL 1954!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_CPRMOUTH TO MOUTH RESUSCITATION
2 Kings 4:33-35 READS . 33 Then he came in and closed the door behind them both and began to pray to Jehovah. 34 Finally he went up and lay down upon the child and put his own mouth upon his mouth and his own eyes upon his eyes and his own palms upon his palms and kept bent over him, and gradually the child’s flesh grew warm. 35 Then he began walking again in the house, once this way and once that way, after which he went up and bent over him. And the boy began to sneeze as many as seven times, after which the boy opened his eyes.
ALCHEMY PUT TO SHAME5. Explain to me how we can barely turn lead into gold which has almost the same properties as each other, yet a certain perfect man(also known as a hippy or a person who challenged the status quo to some) Turned water into wine which are 2 liquids that have VERY different properties. Of course this was also 1,000+ years before scientists tried turning something into another. Miracles to some people, magic to the proud new-age atheists, and advanced science to some people.
John 2:8-9 READS . 8 And he said to them: “Draw some out now and take it to the director of the feast.” So they took it. 9 When, now, the director of the feast tasted the water that had been turned into wine but did not know what its source was, although those ministering who had drawn out the water knew, the director of the feast called the bridegroom.
I'm not saying we are not more advanced then our ancestors, what i'm saying is if they can do some things that we can't do today or have trouble doing today, then we clearly have a limit on what we can do.
spreading around the world through narrow incestuous breeding.
Are you denying your own human race? If your great 20th or so grandparents lived on a certain continent, will you believe they're your distant relatives or will you just treat them like they're not your family and just a random human. Worse what if parts of your family separated over time(I know mine did it was one of the most horrible events in human history) and you meet someone of the opposite sex who was your family member but didn't know it??!!! Family runs deeper then just a last name, you be surprised how connected we are if you did some research in your own family tree.
Rejecting reality and education in favor of asserting fantasy and allowing for the impossible (self-deception) is your only way to justify these beliefs.
Do you even relies most of the stuff in movies especially science fiction movies are becoming more and more of a reality. Most of the gadgets we have now are very James bond are they not? I don't reject education, I just reject the notion of people wasting 10 to 20 years of their life trying to get a piece of paper that they're not going to use. Also if the person is not rich, they have to miraculously get 5 to 10 loans or post themselves into debt with loans that will take most if not their whole life to pay off. More important what's the environment like at campuses??!!!
What it comes down to is that you have an old outdated rewritten book chock-full of fantasies and you're using it as a source for scientific research and teaching. It would seem as if you're
completely comfortable with the self-deception that comes along with your belief system.
you're using it as a source for scientific research and teaching.
I do use it as a source of teaching, as for science I see the science application it has and I don't need a bunch of terms a child can't understand or resort to millions or billions of years.
Matthew 15:48-51 READS
48 “But if ever that evil slave should say in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’ 49 and should start to beat his fellow slaves and should eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards, 50 the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know, 51 and will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his part with the hypocrites. There is where [his] weeping and the gnashing of [his] teeth will be.
What would you consider good evidence outside of actually seeing an extraterrestrial being? Something like the India Jones crystal skull or the star child skull, both I've seen albeit not in person. Although this may prove for me at least that gray's existed, this doesn't prove to me that they lived on another planet. So in order for me to believe Gray's lived on other planets , I will need proof that something "alien" have material that's from other planets and verified by falconer's science
@bluedee: I think people jumped to thinking you were doubting your faith instead of asking sincere questions. Most people don't know the difference between the two, I think all organized religion(most are not organized at all) are like this. Seems that your not into church or some other organized religion anymore, I think you should look at the heaven.net.nz forum, most if not all people there are not with any church and are pretty knowledgable about the bible as well, through I disagree with some.
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