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« Reply #225 on: August 28, 2010, 09:13:21 am »
Hahahahhahaha thanks so much for that, and you say Christians are judgemental??

I would have to say that's a little different...that would be like a *bleep* putting up a wall with a swastikka(sp.?) on it in a Jewish community...people are STILL hurting from the tragedies of 9/11. But to me that's not even the main issue.

Where is the funding coming from?
Does Imam agree with his wife that in America there is nothing but hate for muslims?
And what are his intentions for the mosque...especially after making controversial remarks such as "we tend to forget, in the west, that the United States has more muslim blood on its hands than Al Qaeda has on its hand on innocent non-muslims"
I have trouble supporting him, not because he's muslim, but because he thinks the U.S. has done more damage among muslims that Al Qaeda (an organization CENTERED on terrorism who aims attacks at the U.S.) has done to Americans.

THAT STATEMENT is disrespectful to victims of 9/11. Simple as that.
The US has more blood on it's hands from right here on this continent then any other foreigners do.

Why is it that whenever I made a valid point regarding the Mosque that YOU brought into the argument, you change the subject. Let's make this debate worthwhile, go ahead and answer some of my questions and Imam Rauf, his beliefs, his funding...prove that Christians vote against it out of hate and not common sense.
The be honest I am not familiar with the conduct of Imam Rauf. Let me ask you since you insinuate you are familiar with him, has he been convicted of any crimes, or are you just assuming he is guilty without a trial? Certainly a fine patriot such as your self wouldn't concieve of bending your constitution would you.

Now, lets suppose he were guilty of all charges, would you support any other muslim or muslim organization building a "community Center" at he location in question?

WHEN did I claim he was guilty of a crime. Please quote that for me.
So there are questions to his character, you can't start punishing someone before they are found guilty, as far as his claims as to US narm toward Muslims, I am not a scholar of Muslim events, but using the precedence that the US has set in regards to many other peoples here and abroad, I wouldn't dismiss his claims.

I never said go ahead and punish him. I'm simply saying that as Americans we deserve to be informed, and I don't mean I want CNN to give me a liberalized version of who Rauf is.

We should get to know WHERE is the funding coming from? Our tax dollars?
Who is this guy? Where did he grow up? Where does he stand on the issues with Iraq, Afghanistan, Al Qaeda?
How does he feel about Americans actions toward Muslims?
Does he feel extremely mistreated as a muslim, does this make him angry, does he have a history of supporting violent acts or the practice of violence among islamic extremists?
If the mosque is so important to him, why does he reject the idea of building it in a different location?
How does he feel about his wife saying Americans hate muslims (not in those exact words)?


What we DO know is he believes Americans have more muslim blood on their hands than muslims do us.

We should get to know how he feels about this! To me going around saying that we have done more damage to them than Al Qaeda and other muslim terrorists have done to us is SCARY to American people...and DISRESPECTFUL to 9/11 victims.

I simply think that as an American, I should get to know all the facts and base my choice on them.

Also, I find it unfair that because he's muslim and it's a mosque us acting any questions about it is deemed hateful, intolerant, and prejudice...we STILL deserve to know.

If 9/11 were attacked by Christians, and the main target had been muslims do you think they'd glorify us building a Christian church in the same vicinity. I highly doubt it.
No you do not have anything even remotely resembling a right.

You have an unjustified want, and this moronic sense of entitlement that most christians exhibit,

Are you a relative of a victim?
Do you sit on the city planning board?
Are you even a citizen of NY?

Show me any thing in the constitution, the bill of rights, federal or local statute, or hell even a biblical commandment that mandates that a private citizen must supply you with proof of good moral character,or ask your blessing to build any thing he desires to on his privately held property.

Further-more, the plan is not for a mosque, it is for a community center that just so happens to include a space for muslim users to practice their long held tradition of multiple, daily, prayer sessions. Which their religious customs mandate at set times, regardless, of where they maybe or what they are doing.
That is simply media generated, inflammatory propaganda, designed to heighten weak minded individuals sense of intolerance, that you have so predictably embraced.

You are simply yet another bleed heart christian, squawking a bunch of self righteous demands dictating that everyone must conform to your self perceived illusions of moral superiority.

You say that these aledged "moral inadequacies" are your reason for attempting to infringe upon the man's rights, however, you and I both know that that is a lie.

Your true motivation is your intolerance of his race,religion, which is completely at odds to your constitution, as well as your illusions of racial, religious, and moral superiority, of which I certainly beg to differ with you.

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Re: Why do Christians hate atheists?
« Reply #226 on: August 28, 2010, 09:18:53 am »
OK Daddy Mack, I live totally off grid and my batteries are about dead......come on back tomorrow if you like.

BTW, I'm a girl. So the smartalec remark was a bit ignorant in this case. I'll be sure to reply tomorrow or the next day, don't you worry.
congratulations.

What I find a bit ignorant is a female christion referring to them self with a masculine screen name, considering the pervasiveness of homophobic and patriarchal ideologies in your chosen form of spirituality.

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Re: Why do Christians hate atheists?
« Reply #227 on: August 28, 2010, 01:12:09 pm »
OK Daddy Mack, I live totally off grid and my batteries are about dead......come on back tomorrow if you like.

BTW, I'm a girl. So the smartalec remark was a bit ignorant in this case. I'll be sure to reply tomorrow or the next day, don't you worry.
congratulations.

What I find a bit ignorant is a female christion referring to them self with a masculine screen name, considering the pervasiveness of homophobic and patriarchal ideologies in your chosen form of spirituality.


HAHAHA...HOW is my screen name masculine? And did you just insinuate that I'm a homosexual judging by my screen name?

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Re: Why do Christians hate atheists?
« Reply #228 on: August 28, 2010, 01:17:30 pm »
Hahahahhahaha thanks so much for that, and you say Christians are judgemental??

I would have to say that's a little different...that would be like a *bleep* putting up a wall with a swastikka(sp.?) on it in a Jewish community...people are STILL hurting from the tragedies of 9/11. But to me that's not even the main issue.

Where is the funding coming from?
Does Imam agree with his wife that in America there is nothing but hate for muslims?
And what are his intentions for the mosque...especially after making controversial remarks such as "we tend to forget, in the west, that the United States has more muslim blood on its hands than Al Qaeda has on its hand on innocent non-muslims"
I have trouble supporting him, not because he's muslim, but because he thinks the U.S. has done more damage among muslims that Al Qaeda (an organization CENTERED on terrorism who aims attacks at the U.S.) has done to Americans.

THAT STATEMENT is disrespectful to victims of 9/11. Simple as that.
The US has more blood on it's hands from right here on this continent then any other foreigners do.

Why is it that whenever I made a valid point regarding the Mosque that YOU brought into the argument, you change the subject. Let's make this debate worthwhile, go ahead and answer some of my questions and Imam Rauf, his beliefs, his funding...prove that Christians vote against it out of hate and not common sense.
The be honest I am not familiar with the conduct of Imam Rauf. Let me ask you since you insinuate you are familiar with him, has he been convicted of any crimes, or are you just assuming he is guilty without a trial? Certainly a fine patriot such as your self wouldn't concieve of bending your constitution would you.

Now, lets suppose he were guilty of all charges, would you support any other muslim or muslim organization building a "community Center" at he location in question?

WHEN did I claim he was guilty of a crime. Please quote that for me.
So there are questions to his character, you can't start punishing someone before they are found guilty, as far as his claims as to US narm toward Muslims, I am not a scholar of Muslim events, but using the precedence that the US has set in regards to many other peoples here and abroad, I wouldn't dismiss his claims.

I never said go ahead and punish him. I'm simply saying that as Americans we deserve to be informed, and I don't mean I want CNN to give me a liberalized version of who Rauf is.

We should get to know WHERE is the funding coming from? Our tax dollars?
Who is this guy? Where did he grow up? Where does he stand on the issues with Iraq, Afghanistan, Al Qaeda?
How does he feel about Americans actions toward Muslims?
Does he feel extremely mistreated as a muslim, does this make him angry, does he have a history of supporting violent acts or the practice of violence among islamic extremists?
If the mosque is so important to him, why does he reject the idea of building it in a different location?
How does he feel about his wife saying Americans hate muslims (not in those exact words)?


What we DO know is he believes Americans have more muslim blood on their hands than muslims do us.

We should get to know how he feels about this! To me going around saying that we have done more damage to them than Al Qaeda and other muslim terrorists have done to us is SCARY to American people...and DISRESPECTFUL to 9/11 victims.

I simply think that as an American, I should get to know all the facts and base my choice on them.

Also, I find it unfair that because he's muslim and it's a mosque us acting any questions about it is deemed hateful, intolerant, and prejudice...we STILL deserve to know.

If 9/11 were attacked by Christians, and the main target had been muslims do you think they'd glorify us building a Christian church in the same vicinity. I highly doubt it.
No you do not have anything even remotely resembling a right.

You have an unjustified want, and this moronic sense of entitlement that most christians exhibit,

Are you a relative of a victim?
Do you sit on the city planning board?
Are you even a citizen of NY?

Show me any thing in the constitution, the bill of rights, federal or local statute, or hell even a biblical commandment that mandates that a private citizen must supply you with proof of good moral character,or ask your blessing to build any thing he desires to on his privately held property.

Further-more, the plan is not for a mosque, it is for a community center that just so happens to include a space for muslim users to practice their long held tradition of multiple, daily, prayer sessions. Which their religious customs mandate at set times, regardless, of where they maybe or what they are doing.
That is simply media generated, inflammatory propaganda, designed to heighten weak minded individuals sense of intolerance, that you have so predictably embraced.

You are simply yet another bleed heart christian, squawking a bunch of self righteous demands dictating that everyone must conform to your self perceived illusions of moral superiority.

You say that these aledged "moral inadequacies" are your reason for attempting to infringe upon the man's rights, however, you and I both know that that is a lie.

Your true motivation is your intolerance of his race,religion, which is completely at odds to your constitution, as well as your illusions of racial, religious, and moral superiority, of which I certainly beg to differ with you.

Actually my opinions on this have little to do with my religious beliefs and everything to do with my political beliefs.
-- The government has gotten to a point where it's not much about the people or what they want anymore. They blow taxpayers money on things we have no say in. If I'm paying for the mosque, I should have a say in it.
--Are you going to answer any of the questions I put forth about the background of Rauf and his intentions for this mosque or are you going to simply blow it off and blame my religion for my political beliefs?
--America is about the people. I fully understand that Muslism have just as much of a right to be here and worship here an anyone else, I don't have a problem with that. I just think it's a little ignorant to think that after 9/11 security shouldn't be tighter-- and that an islamic extremist who has made anti-american remarks who is trying to build a mosque near a sight where muslim extremists attacked american people won't catch heat for it.

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Re: Why do Christians hate atheists?
« Reply #229 on: August 28, 2010, 01:22:15 pm »
Did you get your masters and all the great CPA stuff or no? My mom did accounting also and decided not to get her CPA and said she always regretted it so I'm just curious haha.

Oh no, I don't mind telling you.  Nothing to hide......lol  I was just an Accountant/Full Charge Bookkeeper.  Have a BA, and that was enough school for me.  Being a single mom, going to college, plus working was tough.....lol   I've worked for CPA's or various businesses for 15 years (contracted myself out), then took training/tests, which landed me in the Gov't., and worked for the DoD on various military bases till retirement.  Still love crunching numbers, but don't regret the career change.   Retired (early at 48), and answered the call into the Ministry.  I'm Ordained and Evangelize.  It gives me opportunity to travel (foreign and domestic).  It's rare that I'm home over 4 months at a time, and getting itchy feet to hit the road again.....lol   My life is blessed.  Thanks be to God.

FC and a couple other websites fill in the extra hours when home.  Making a bit of money here and there doesn't hurt either.........lol   There are some wonderful Christians on here.   It's actually 3:00 am on the West Coast (California).  I'm up a lot at night....my most productive time......lol  Don't require a lot of sleep, and have too much energy to sit still.  Find me on FB and we can talk if you like.  This isn't exactly a good place for getting to know people.  Not really a chat room.  Many on here have found me outside FC.  With the net, you can find just about anybody....lol

Where are you going to College?  You can eat what you want, and never gain weight?  That's totally unfair.....lol



That's awesome! My mom felt the same way! What's funny is my older sister also did accounting and she's very very smart...and when it came time to choose is she wanted to continue for the CPA she was going NO WAY I don't want anymore school haha. So I think that is a fairly common thing!

Sounds like you've had a wonderful life and experienced some amazing things!!!

I go to a Junior College in Texas...I had scholarships to go play sports but ended up turning them down, I didn't want to move away yet. What's funnier is I had a cross country scholarship at the school I attend and didn't take it haha.

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Re: Why do Christians hate atheists?
« Reply #230 on: August 28, 2010, 01:27:10 pm »
Just a thought--
You sat there and spouted a bunch of bull about how judgemental I am, then say I am a hypocrite because you find my screen name masculine which must mean I have homoosexual tendencies. First of all, I find no logic in this. Second of all, the hypocrisy of this literally made me laugh out loud. To call me judgemental then openly judge me haha and stereotype me by a SCREEN NAME, which is ludacrous anway.

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Re: Why do Christians hate atheists?
« Reply #231 on: August 28, 2010, 05:06:12 pm »
OK Daddy Mack, I live totally off grid and my batteries are about dead......come on back tomorrow if you like.

BTW, I'm a girl. So the smartalec remark was a bit ignorant in this case. I'll be sure to reply tomorrow or the next day, don't you worry.
congratulations.

What I find a bit ignorant is a female christion referring to them self with a masculine screen name, considering the pervasiveness of homophobic and patriarchal ideologies in your chosen form of spirituality.

Oh get over yourself!  You made a disgusting sexual innuendo, and now your found to be the proud owner of the "Laughing Jackass" Trophy.  Now you want to turn the blame on her.  Since you so graciously gave it to me on another thread, I'll return it to you (it's rightful owner).  

You know what Walksalone.  You made such a stink about how your people have been given the shaft, and on and on.  I've been studying some things out.  We actually have a couple Rez's here where I live, and a cultural/history museum.  I've been trying to delve into the archives to find out some information.  I'm being blocked in some areas because I'm the paleface, and your people are naturally suspicious of anyone wanting to know anything beyond what articles they want to sell.  Now?  Forget it!  You don't appreciate anyone.  Your so full of hate and discontent, that even if someone wanted to see your side or try to prove your allegations, your attitude turns them off.  Good luck getting the "understanding" from the paleface with that chip on your shoulder, or trying to get people see your stance peppered with distaste and hate.

I've already mentioned I've got Inuit Indian friends in Alaska that I've known for almost 30 years.  We still keep in contact.  NONE of them act like you.......none!!  Your behavior is shameful if your trying to represent your race.  You come down on Christians so hard, and you do it with harsh sarcasm and dripping contempt.  That's a wonderful way to encourage people to see your point. 
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Re: Why do Christians hate atheists?
« Reply #232 on: August 28, 2010, 06:18:48 pm »
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That's awesome! My mom felt the same way! What's funny is my older sister also did accounting and she's very very smart...and when it came time to choose is she wanted to continue for the CPA she was going NO WAY I don't want anymore school haha. So I think that is a fairly common thing!

Sounds like you've had a wonderful life and experienced some amazing things!!!

I go to a Junior College in Texas...I had scholarships to go play sports but ended up turning them down, I didn't want to move away yet. What's funnier is I had a cross country scholarship at the school I attend and didn't take it haha.


My life has been so interesting because God has control of it.   I'm not done yet, I still have many years to continue on with His work.

Hey, there's nothing wrong with wanting to be nearer to those you love.  When my son went into the Air Force (right smack out of high school...his dream), I knew it was going to be tough......it was.  He's my only child.  He immediately got orders for Desert Storm, then when he got back, off to England for years.  He finally got back, and was closer in Spokane, WA., so I could at least see him on a semi-regular basis.  After he got out after 10 years, I thought I'd see him more....Nope!  General Dynamics hired him, and he travels all over the world.  Sometimes we may cross each other in Airports, if we can synchronize our schedules.....lol  Thank God for the Internet and Skype, or we wouldn't have much chance to communicate....lol

Use your gut instincts, and ask God what's best.  He will lead you the right way.  Sometimes the brightest way in the secular world isn't the way to go, even though it looks like it's paved with the best opportunities.  I know a young lady who got a 4 year scholarship to UOP here in California.  After one semester, she knew that's not where she was supposed to be.  You gotta know what's best for you, not what will supposedly gain others acceptance or approval.  You sound like your on the right track, and level headed.
 
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Re: Why do Christians hate atheists?
« Reply #233 on: August 28, 2010, 06:32:02 pm »
Just for the record, this Christian does not hate atheists, or anyone else who chooses not to believe as I do.  I have friends who are all kinds of religions and I think the world of them.  We do have friendly, sometimes "sparked" debates, and certainly I pray for them, but I could never hate them.   :star:

Ditto here! Ain't got nothin but love (frustrated love sometimes but love none the less  :heart:)

Same here, love, nothing but love.

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« Reply #234 on: August 28, 2010, 07:55:19 pm »
Just for the record, this Christian does not hate atheists, or anyone else who chooses not to believe as I do.  I have friends who are all kinds of religions and I think the world of them.  We do have friendly, sometimes "sparked" debates, and certainly I pray for them, but I could never hate them.   :star:

Ditto here! Ain't got nothin but love (frustrated love sometimes but love none the less  :heart:)

Same here, love, nothing but love.

Yes there is love, but sometimes if someone wants to wipe their shoes on your Christianity or your brothers and sisters in the Lord, then it's time to stand up and NOT be a doormat.  Even Christ was nobody's doormat, even with the false religious leaders of His day, right down to the political officials.  There's a time to love, but when that love is used for an opportunity to debase the very Blood of Jesus, then it's time to stand for what you believe.  

Just because we are Christians, we're considered weak and weak minded.  Nothing can be farther from the truth! We have a Holy Boldness that we can use when the enemy wants to do nothing but wreck havoc in word or deed. We have all power given to us by the Lord Jesus Christ to put a stop to verbal spewing against Christians.  More than likely they wind up having no "bite" to that roar.  We are told we have power to tread under our feet serpents and scorpions and nothing shall by any means hurt us.  Luke 10: 16-20  If that power wasn't necessary, then why do we have it?

You will see no true Christian call names or debase in any way to an unbeliever.  There's a difference between an unbeliever and someone who is just full of hate for God, and everything from the Bible and His followers. They conspire to pour out filth upon said believers.  Yes, there's a time to be wise as a serpent, but harmless as a dove, but also a time to be bold as a lion.  A mature Christian knows the difference, and when those times are, and with what he's dealing with at the time.  

Most people are just people living their lives and would respect anyone.  However, there are some that go out of their way to spew garbage on anyone carrying the Blood of Jesus.
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Re: Why do Christians hate atheists?
« Reply #235 on: August 28, 2010, 07:59:21 pm »
 :cat:  Annella, as you already know, all of that "hate", etc. is just as the Bible has predicted would happen to people who stand for the Lord. We can't expect any less.

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« Reply #236 on: August 28, 2010, 08:11:58 pm »
:cat:  Annella, as you already know, all of that "hate", etc. is just as the Bible has predicted would happen to people who stand for the Lord. We can't expect any less.

Yes I know, but you pick on my family (brothers and sister), I'm going to come to their defense.  Just like any normal family member would.  This will be my family forever. 
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« Reply #237 on: August 28, 2010, 08:42:13 pm »
 :cat: You are absolutely right!!!

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« Reply #239 on: August 28, 2010, 11:39:27 pm »
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That's awesome! My mom felt the same way! What's funny is my older sister also did accounting and she's very very smart...and when it came time to choose is she wanted to continue for the CPA she was going NO WAY I don't want anymore school haha. So I think that is a fairly common thing!

Sounds like you've had a wonderful life and experienced some amazing things!!!

I go to a Junior College in Texas...I had scholarships to go play sports but ended up turning them down, I didn't want to move away yet. What's funnier is I had a cross country scholarship at the school I attend and didn't take it haha.


My life has been so interesting because God has control of it.   I'm not done yet, I still have many years to continue on with His work.

Hey, there's nothing wrong with wanting to be nearer to those you love.  When my son went into the Air Force (right smack out of high school...his dream), I knew it was going to be tough......it was.  He's my only child.  He immediately got orders for Desert Storm, then when he got back, off to England for years.  He finally got back, and was closer in Spokane, WA., so I could at least see him on a semi-regular basis.  After he got out after 10 years, I thought I'd see him more....Nope!  General Dynamics hired him, and he travels all over the world.  Sometimes we may cross each other in Airports, if we can synchronize our schedules.....lol  Thank God for the Internet and Skype, or we wouldn't have much chance to communicate....lol

Use your gut instincts, and ask God what's best.  He will lead you the right way.  Sometimes the brightest way in the secular world isn't the way to go, even though it looks like it's paved with the best opportunities.  I know a young lady who got a 4 year scholarship to UOP here in California.  After one semester, she knew that's not where she was supposed to be.  You gotta know what's best for you, not what will supposedly gain others acceptance or approval.  You sound like your on the right track, and level headed.
 

It's amazing how God works :0)

I can't imagine traveling all over the world without my family or someone with me, but it would be a GREAT experience. I just get so homesick haha, I'm such a small town girl!!

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