Hell is an Unattended Stove

[jcribb16]

Re: Hell is an Unattended Stove       Sadly, my kitchen often has an unattended stove....my unattended stove burned a hole through the bottom of my coffee pot last week when I accidentally turned on the back burner instead of the front (I had my coffeepot sitting on the stove top due to lack of countertop space), and then walked away to give the cat his treats figuring I would be coming right back to the stove in a few minutes to start dinner.   Hell is definitely an unattended stove... my poor coffeepot!!

very apt to your situation!  sorry about that!

[jcribb16]

I understand believers is one also but I believe in fairies this week so we all are believers in something lmao sorry I am in a mood LMAO

Yep!  That is the very first thing I found weird about religion...you have to "believe" in god?  So you're saying he's not fact?  What??  lol

Yet, you did accept Him even though you found it weird?

[queenofnines]

Yet, you did accept Him even though you found it weird?

Well that was when I was 11-13 when I realized the oddity of religion, not having it forced onto me growing up or anything.  I was a self-proclaimed atheist by 13, although my only reason was because I couldn't see any evidence for god in my daily life (I didn't know all I do now).  When I suffered a life-changing event at 16, it was a serious, unemotional decision to give god a try just in case the Christians were right (remember, I didn't really know anything about god other than he seemed like he wasn't there). 

I had some hallucinations due to an illness that at the time, seemed like a powerful "testimony" for god because I didn't know any better (the science for why it was happening).  I used that experience to encourage myself to go to church regularly, where I found "fun" services with charming messages and got swept away by the lies myself.

[queenofnines]

I saw this in YouTube comments a few days ago and thought it was clever:

"So Christians, does the Bible = Truth/Knowledge? Consider this

Bible = Truth/Knowledge

Apple = Truth/Knowledge

Therefore, Bible = Apple

Read the bible and accept it as truth = eat the apple and discover it's knowledge

Eat the apple and gain forever sin = Accept the bible and gain forever sin, since the apple represents truth and knowledge, which the Bible is, right Christians?

So, only Christians can sin because they're the only ones who "ate the apple", therefore only Christians can go to hell."

lol

[Annella]

Why was this topic brought back from the dead, over a month later?

 

Good question Marie.......

So, only Christians can sin because they're the only ones who "ate the apple", therefore only Christians can go to hell.

To qon:  Keep saying that to yourself over and over like a mantra, and you might be able to convince
yourself. 

[502mania]

Hell is an Unattended Stove?
by Astreja

You've probably heard various Christians make the following statement, or a variation on it:

"God doesn't send us to Hell; we send ourselves there."

Let's take a close look at the above assertion.

First of all, there's an implicit assumption that an individual will have an actual choice to go to either the Nice Place or the Not-So-Nice place, somehow overriding the Divine Will of the omnipotent and omniscient Biblegod. This flies in the face of at least one variant of Christianity, Calvinism, which asserts that Biblegod has already picked out the "saved" and discarded everyone else.

Secondly, it is also assumed that Biblegod will not only know about this person's "choice" but knew about it in advance, and permits it to happen anyway. The usual excuse given for this is that Biblegod does not want to impose upon our free will.

Does anyone else see the problem with this?

I present the analogy of the Parent and the Unattended Stove. A small child toddles into the kitchen. In that kitchen is a stove with all the burners turned to 'High', and a ladder conveniently located right next to the stove. The child climbs the ladder, and falls off it onto the blazing stove.

Oh, and did I mention that the Parent is standing just footsteps away, washing dishes in the sink?

At this point, what Christian apologists would have us believe is that this is somehow all the fault of the child -- Who is now on fire and screaming in agony. To you, ladies and gentlemen, I just have this to say:

What kind of parent would go to the stove, turn all the burners on, put a ladder beside the stove, watch their own child climb that ladder, allow the child to fall onto the stove, and then just stand there for eternity and let the child scream?

The "free will" argument is a red herring, and a convenient excuse for not confronting the immorality of Biblegod. Any parent worthy of the name would rescue the child at the first possible opportunity, without even considering the child's "free will." Better yet, a conscientious parent would childproof the kitchen to prevent such catastrophes from happening in the first place -- And again, "free will" has nothing to do with it. It's just good parenting.

You do not do your god honour with this kind of argument, by the way. It makes your invisible friend look like a maniac, and it makes you look like a thoughtless dolt.

Please give serious consideration to the above, and stop making excuses for the inexcusable.

http://new.exchristian.net/2010/05/hell-is-unattended-stove.html

I love this 

[teflonfanatic]

I always got a kick out of this argument. I recall having this with that teflon guy and he just kept doing the ol' red herring left and right. It was pretty funny.

Pre-destined in the sense that because god is all-knowing, we are living in a DETERMINISTIC universe without free will.  There CANNOT be free will if god is omniscient -- it's logically impossible.  So either god isn't omniscient, there is no god, or we're all just puppets.

Gold. I don't see how any religious mindset could argue against this and make any sound conclusions.

But I do find it amusing that you think you can have a satisfying relationship with a computer.

Someone hasn't played Left 4 Dead! lol

I'll try not to run this time, no promises though, seriously what's a red-herring?

[jordandog]

A 'red-herring' is something meaningless to an argument/debate and just thrown in to distract attention from the main issue.

[teflonfanatic]

A 'red-herring' is something meaningless to an argument/debate and just thrown in to distract attention from the main issue.

I don't try to change the subject!!!! I actually don't like most christians because they run away from subjects and throw in the you don't have the holy spirit or it's a mystery line due to the trinity -_.

[animikokala]

Why was this topic brought back from the dead, over a month later?  

Well I, for one, am quite glad this topic was "brought back from the dead".  Otherwise I would have missed a wonderfully debated topic.  It was a joy to read the well-worded posts from QoN and Sherna!

[Falconer02]

I don't try to change the subject!!!! I actually don't like most christians because they run away from subjects and throw in the you don't have the holy spirit or it's a mystery line due to the trinity -_.

If I recall, you have a history skewing the general idea of the subject constantly. And many of the christians here don't run.

[queenofnines]

Why was this topic brought back from the dead, over a month later? 

Because I actually had something relevant to put in here, unlike you, who purposefully "stirs the pot" on all your dead threads at random.

[queenofnines]

Well I, for one, am quite glad this topic was "brought back from the dead".  Otherwise I would have missed a wonderfully debated topic.  It was a joy to read the well-worded posts from QoN and Sherna!

Aww, thanks!   

[Annella]

I don't try to change the subject!!!! I actually don't like most christians because they run away from subjects and throw in the you don't have the holy spirit or it's a mystery line due to the trinity -_.

If I recall, you have a history skewing the general idea of the subject constantly. And many of the christians here don't run.

Thank you Falconer.....gotta run now, as I'm expected in BC Canada tomorrow morning.

It just lined up so nicely, I couldn't resist...lol

[Falconer02]

Have fun, giiiiiirrrlll!