Religion and Homosexuality

[amyrouse]

Does that make bestiality and orges ok as long as you  love God?

I still say this is a weak argument against homosexuality or homosexual marriage.

Actually the arguement is valid. Choosing to disobey God's law is no different then choosing to disobey state laws or country laws etc. Oh wait... You say they're legalizing homosexuality? Ok, get back to me when they legalize other stuff condemned in the bible such as bestiality and outdoor orgies.

P.S. They legalized prostitution in Nevada, I guess you think it's ok for your 17 to be a prostitute yes?

Have you read any of the discussion thus far, because your post suggests you haven't.

Bestiality is a weak argument because of consent... and I would equate it to raping animals.  As a rape survivor, I take offense to equating homosexuality to this.
 
Orgies would be a weak argument because they are about sex, not love. 

Many of the posters (not all, but many, myself included) on this topic believe homosexuality is not a choice and is about love, not just sex. 

Now, before you accuse me of being a non-believer, I very much believe in g-d and love g-d.  I am very strict in my personal views about my religion.  I read my holy book and struggle with it and interpret it to the best of my ability.  I will not, however, try to stifle someone else based on my holy book or use weak arguments like this to try to sway people over to my side.

[teflonfanatic]

Bestiality is not the rape of animals. It's having sexual relations to animals. I'm sorry that you got raped though.

They are humans that are so close to their animals to the point that they do far more then tongue kiss the animals and the animal is AWARE of this. I guess since the human and the animal "love" each other it's ok though right? As for orgies have you heard of polyamorous? Different name, same thing

[amyrouse]

Bestiality is not the rape of animals. It's having sexual relations to animals. I'm sorry that you got raped though.

They are humans that are so close to their animals to the point that they do far more then tongue kiss the animals and the animal is AWARE of this. I guess since the human and the animal "love" each other it's ok though right? As for orgies have you heard of polyamorous? Different name, same thing

Yep...you haven't read the posts.  I have several groups of friends who are polyamorous.  It works for them, disgusting to me.  Orgies and polyamory are not, however, the same thing.  

An animal cannot consent to sex with a human, just like a 15 year old cannot consent to sex with a 30 year old.  

EDIT: And I was quite aware of being raped...didn't make it any less of a rape.

[jordandog]

Does that make bestiality and orges ok as long as you  love God?

I still say this is a weak argument against homosexuality or homosexual marriage.

Actually the arguement is valid. Choosing to disobey God's law is no different then choosing to disobey state laws or country laws etc. Oh wait... You say they're legalizing homosexuality? Ok, get back to me when they legalize other stuff condemned in the bible such as bestiality and outdoor orgies.

P.S. They legalized prostitution in Nevada, I guess you think it's ok for your 17 to be a prostitute yes?

I am with Amy on this one, it's not only a weak argument, using and comparing the examples you gave makes it a non-argument, IMO.

For those of us who do not believe in god, or question god exists, the argument about disobeying state and/or laws of the country is in NO way the same thing. I do not disobey any laws pertaining to how I conduct myself as a part of society and for me, god doesn't enter into that, period. By saying that, you are wading very close to the waters filled with those who equate no god = no morals and no conscience - not true at all.

No one said anyone was 'legalizing' homosexuality. As for Nevada and prostitution being legal? There are MANY 17 and under prostitutes all over this country, both female and male, but you will NOT find them working for any legal brothel in Nevada.

I will not, however, try to stifle someone else based on my holy book or use weak arguments like this to try to sway people over to my side.

That is why I have so much respect for Amy, some others who post here, and close friends of mine who very much believe in and rely on god - they are open-minded and have a willingness to at least look beyond their own beliefs, even though they will not step away from them anymore than I will step away from mine.

[amyrouse]

I will not, however, try to stifle someone else based on my holy book or use weak arguments like this to try to sway people over to my side.

That is why I have so much respect for Amy, some others who post here, and close friends of mine who very much believe in and rely on god - they are open-minded and have a willingness to at least look beyond their own beliefs, even though they will not step away from them anymore than I will step away from mine.

OMG...I almost cried when I read that.  Thank you so much, Jordandog.  That is one of the nicest things anyone has said about me.  *^.^*

[queenofnines]

OMG...I almost cried when I read that.  Thank you so much, Jordandog.  That is one of the nicest things anyone has said about me.  *^.^*

I agree with jordandog!

[jordandog]

I will not, however, try to stifle someone else based on my holy book or use weak arguments like this to try to sway people over to my side.

That is why I have so much respect for Amy, some others who post here, and close friends of mine who very much believe in and rely on god - they are open-minded and have a willingness to at least look beyond their own beliefs, even though they will not step away from them anymore than I will step away from mine.

OMG...I almost cried when I read that.  Thank you so much, Jordandog.  That is one of the nicest things anyone has said about me.  *^.^*

It's how I feel - thank you for giving me a reason to voice it.

[armychick09h]

I will not, however, try to stifle someone else based on my holy book or use weak arguments like this to try to sway people over to my side.

That is why I have so much respect for Amy, some others who post here, and close friends of mine who very much believe in and rely on god - they are open-minded and have a willingness to at least look beyond their own beliefs, even though they will not step away from them anymore than I will step away from mine.

OMG...I almost cried when I read that.  Thank you so much, Jordandog.  That is one of the nicest things anyone has said about me.  *^.^*

totally agree with this.

[teflonfanatic]

Well I tried, people will find any excuse to have fun even if it is against Caesar's law or God's law, as for the person who made a comment about me being holier then others, did I say I was sinless or an apostle?

[shernajwine]

Well I tried, people will find any excuse to have fun even if it is against Caesar's law or God's law, as for the person who made a comment about me being holier then others, did I say I was sinless or an apostle?

Why are you equating the word "sinless" with apostle?? Paul called himself the "chief sinner"!

Anyhow, no you didn't say were sinless, but sexual sin is not any worse than (be it homosexual sex or *bleep*) any sin you have committed. You tried to insinuate that I implied loving God gives people permission to sin, and that's not the case.

Most Christians believe that homosexuality is a sin, (you will not convince most non Christians otherwise because we base our beliefs off the bible, which is dismissed by unbelievers). My point was that, it doesn't matter whether it's a sin or not, it's not our responsibility to judge sin, it's God's. If you look down on a person because of their sexual orientation then you are not exhibiting love, which is breaking the greatest commandment of all, which is a sin. Thereby making you just as in need of grace as the person you are condemning.

[freepcmoney]

Well I tried, people will find any excuse to have fun even if it is against Caesar's law or God's law, as for the person who made a comment about me being holier then others, did I say I was sinless or an apostle?

DEAR TEFLONFANATIC-------Why do you find it necessary to post a copy of your FC check on EVERY one of your post here in the forum?

[freepcmoney]

There is NO RELIGION, OR country that I have ever heard of that sanctions or approves of homesexual behavior, UNTIL just recently. This is since the HOMOSEXUAL POLITICAL MOVEMENT has been pushing their agenda on the POLITICALLY CORRECT NUTS here in the USA.

It is NOT RIGHT. IT ain't never been right, and it will NEVER BE RIGHT. God is the same YESTERDAY, TODAY and FOREVER!!!

[armychick09h]

God is the same YESTERDAY, TODAY and FOREVER!!!

then he will forgive and it will be okay.