Religion and Homosexuality

[roguetodd]

I'm sure there are plenty of laws/rights that aren't in the Constitution.  

Of course there are, but if you look at activist leaders arguments they are all based on the Constitution. I'm simply repeating what they are trying to argue, not bring it up as a new argument.

Therefore, it's unconstitutional because it's enforcing one group's version of religious morals on society at large.

I would totally agree with you if it was all one denomination of religion that voted this down and that was the clear and cut reason why they couldn't marry. I would absolutely 100% concede. But that's not the case a lot of people from a mass variety of religions voted it down(hell, I even know gay people that voted down Prop 8 in CA a few years back).

Also, notice at many workplaces there is an Equal Opportunity Act poster saying it is unlawful to discriminate against race, gender, marital status, etc.  If it's wrong to discriminate against gays in the workplace, why is it okay to do it when it comes to marriage?

My dog and myself wouldn't be discriminated against in the workplace of Animal photography. Should I be allowed to marry her? Hell no.
My sister wouldn't be discriminated against. Is she a viable option for me now too?
I want 10 wives. Is that cool?
Is it okay if one of those 10 is 15?

It just opens up a metaphorical Pandora's Box for all other sorts of marriage that should not be going on. (Which is the argument for the other side, along with the "its a man and woman" hoo hah and all that other hum bug stuff)

[502mania]

Did anyone see john McCain's response to reportes on the issue? how childish!
Link->  http://1e25fc45.linkgalleries.net
LALALAALALAL NOT the policy LALALALAL not the policy!

[SurveyMack10]

There are six billion people in this world...you and your friends made up 10 of them. Don't try to say what is normal and what is not. In fact maybe you need to speak with someone who can pretty much tell you how it is, like a child psychologist.

Cool, you and your friends make up 10 percent of the population as well- hypocrite.
YOU don't try to say what is normal and what is not either then- hypocrite.
And you advising me to get therapy is ironic, not to mention hilarious.

[SurveyMack10]

I guess I was just pretty smart about stuff. Nothing ever got past me.

That must be it.

[SurveyMack10]

there is a difference in disagreeing and discriminating.

Quote from Queen:

Indeed there is.  Christianity: protected by the First Amendment right to believe in whatever silly nonsense you choose.  Homosexuality: DENIED basic rights on account of one's sexuality.  People who can't see how it's discrimination are either blind or thick.

Now if gays were given the same rights as a heterosexual person in terms of marriage, jobs, etc. and THEN you still secretly disapproved of them, *that* would be fair.  But that isn't the case yet, now is it?





My Response:


So now it's my fault they aren't given those rights, and because they don't have them I am discriminating against them? HA.


Honestly this is what I've learned from you so far on this forum
-all Christians are judgemental intolerant -false and a generalization
-anyone who disagrees with you is delusional or "thick" -which makes you the one who doesn't tolerate others' beliefs
-if anyone states what they beleive they must be "forcing" it on you -which is ridiculous, more than anyone you try convincing others that there is NO God, and for the most part we don't try to convince you there IS a God, just that we have the right to believe in one without you telling us how delusional and thick we are

(I screwed up the quote thing and this was easier than fixing it ha)

[SurveyMack10]

Look it is frustrating to speak to stupid people, so I am done 

cool

[Annella]

Christians have been discriminated against in the past and have died for their beliefs.  In some countries they still are!

Oh, boo-hoo!  Don't try to play that card - it's ridiculous.  While I'm not denying Christians have been persecuted against in the past/present, need I remind you that the ONLY reason you follow Christianity at all is because your religion killed/threaten to kill those who didn't convert?  Religions are viruses, designed to replicate and spread their poison by force.

I just got on and saw this.......

OH???  Do you know why I follow Christianity??  Really??  Do you actually presume to know the dictates and thoughts of my heart???  As far as my "so called" religion threatened to kill or killed those who didn't convert leaves me totally appalled!!  Just what religion are you referring to?  Roman Catholicism maybe?  Of which my movement is NOT, nor are our roots traced back to that Mother Church.  I "force" NO ONE to convert to anything.  If you want to define poison, all you have to do is open your mouth woman, and it's there in abundance.....in your tougue!  Yeah, that's right!

I travel to these countries where there is NO freedom of religion and Christians have to worship underground!  That's persecution, and no basic rights.  If they're caught, they can be imprisoned for life, or put to death....EVEN TODAY!!

[Annella]

there is a difference in disagreeing and discriminating.

Quote from Queen:

Indeed there is.  Christianity: protected by the First Amendment right to believe in whatever silly nonsense you choose.  Homosexuality: DENIED basic rights on account of one's sexuality.  People who can't see how it's discrimination are either blind or thick.

Now if gays were given the same rights as a heterosexual person in terms of marriage, jobs, etc. and THEN you still secretly disapproved of them, *that* would be fair.  But that isn't the case yet, now is it?





My Response:


So now it's my fault they aren't given those rights, and because they don't have them I am discriminating against them? HA.


Honestly this is what I've learned from you so far on this forum
-all Christians are judgemental intolerant -false and a generalization
-anyone who disagrees with you is delusional or "thick" -which makes you the one who doesn't tolerate others' beliefs
-if anyone states what they beleive they must be "forcing" it on you -which is ridiculous, more than anyone you try convincing others that there is NO God, and for the most part we don't try to convince you there IS a God, just that we have the right to believe in one without you telling us how delusional and thick we are

(I screwed up the quote thing and this was easier than fixing it ha)

Excellent post Mackenzie, and absolutely truth!!

[walksalone11]

Christians have been discriminated against in the past and have died for their beliefs.  In some countries they still are!

Oh, boo-hoo!  Don't try to play that card - it's ridiculous.  While I'm not denying Christians have been persecuted against in the past/present, need I remind you that the ONLY reason you follow Christianity at all is because your religion killed/threaten to kill those who didn't convert?  Religions are viruses, designed to replicate and spread their poison by force.

I just got on and saw this.......

OH???  Do you know why I follow Christianity??  Really??  Do you actually presume to know the dictates and thoughts of my heart???  As far as my "so called" religion threatened to kill or killed those who didn't convert leaves me totally appalled!!  Just what religion are you referring to?  Roman Catholicism maybe?  Of which my movement is NOT, nor are our roots traced back to that Mother Church.  I "force" NO ONE to convert to anything.  If you want to define poison, all you have to do is open your mouth woman, and it's there in abundance.....in your tougue!  Yeah, that's right!

I travel to these countries where there is NO freedom of religion and Christians have to worship underground!  That's persecution, and no basic rights.  If they're caught, they can be imprisoned for life, or put to death....EVEN TODAY!!

I don't have to travel any where. Many of my Relations are "legally banned" from practicing their Spirituality right here in this country, today.
Of course, you don't want to respond to that eh Rev. Bigot?

[roguetodd]

Advise you to get therapy? Are you a child? I was just figuring you would listen to someone who has a degree.

DUDE. A piece of paper = EZ-MODE for intelligence!?!?! (WHY WASN'T I AWARE IT COULD BE BOUGHT NOWADAYS?!?)

AND CAPS LOCK = CRUISE CONTROL FOR KEWLZ!!!!

[Annella]

I don't have to travel any where. Many of my Relations are "legally banned" from practicing their Spirituality right here in this country, today.
Of course, you don't want to respond to that eh Rev. Bigot?

Must be something your doing in your practices that make them "legally banned".  Since I don't write the laws of this Nation, your question is misdirected.  Try writing your Congress Person, or State Representatives.  Also, try not to apply negative titles while addressing them, as your letter might end up in their circular file.  Just FYI.

[roguetodd]

P.S When did this thread turn into a flame war?

Errr...correction. This whole Forum Category is pretty much becoming one.(sad to say as it is)

The topic is debate and discuss, not argue and fight. Lets act like adults here and assume a little higher level of maturity than is being displayed.

There's no reason to be discriminatory or downright mean to anyone over a forum, take a step back and look at this in a larger scope of view. What exactly is this doing for you besides making your day that much more stressful? Nothing really, you have your beliefs and the person sitting 1000's of miles away form you on their computer has theirs.

Lets grow a pair here, man up, and continue Debating rather than breaking down and squabbling like 5 year old children, shall we?

K thanks. I have complete faith in everyone here.

[Annella]

P.S When did this thread turn into a flame war?

Errr...correction. This whole Forum Category is pretty much becoming one.(sad to say as it is)

The topic is debate and discuss, not argue and fight. Lets act like adults here and assume a little higher level of maturity than is being displayed.

There's no reason to be discriminatory or downright mean to anyone over a forum, take a step back and look at this in a larger scope of view. What exactly is this doing for you besides making your day that much more stressful? Nothing really, you have your beliefs and the person sitting 1000's of miles away form you on their computer has theirs.

Lets grow a pair here, man up, and continue Debating rather than breaking down and squabbling like 5 year old children, shall we?

K thanks. I have complete faith in everyone here.

Your not saying anything others haven't said.  However, some people on here don't know how to communicate effectively.  Your fairly new here, and actually need to click on certain people's names, and read only their posts at a time.  It will give you their last post, and next, next, on and on.  This will give you a fairly good idea what issues have been discussed, and responses or rebuttals.   Welcome to the Forum.  Good to have you here.

[roguetodd]

P.S When did this thread turn into a flame war?

Errr...correction. This whole Forum Category is pretty much becoming one.(sad to say as it is)

The topic is debate and discuss, not argue and fight. Lets act like adults here and assume a little higher level of maturity than is being displayed.

There's no reason to be discriminatory or downright mean to anyone over a forum, take a step back and look at this in a larger scope of view. What exactly is this doing for you besides making your day that much more stressful? Nothing really, you have your beliefs and the person sitting 1000's of miles away form you on their computer has theirs.

Lets grow a pair here, man up, and continue Debating rather than breaking down and squabbling like 5 year old children, shall we?

K thanks. I have complete faith in everyone here.

Your not saying anything others haven't said.  However, some people on here don't know how to communicate effectively.  Your fairly new here, and actually need to click on certain people's names, and read only their posts at a time.  It will give you their last post, and next, next, on and on.  This will give you a fairly good idea what issues have been discussed, and responses or rebuttals.   Welcome to the Forum.  Good to have you here.

Oh now now. You give me too little credit.

This isn't my first Forum Rodeo, and won't be my last. Some people come off as harsh and abrasive and that is how they express themselves. Some people take this harshness to heart and get hurt over it. If we all mellow out and try and stifle those nasty habits, whatever they may be, we can collectively create a much more peaceful and enjoyable forum for everyone.

There really isn't any other way around that.

P.S I lurked for a while before I posted anything. So I know more than you may think.

[walksalone11]

I don't have to travel any where. Many of my Relations are "legally banned" from practicing their Spirituality right here in this country, today.
Of course, you don't want to respond to that eh Rev. Bigot?

Must be something your doing in your practices that make them "legally banned".  Since I don't write the laws of this Nation, your question is misdirected.  Try writing your Congress Person, or State Representatives.  Also, try not to apply negative titles while addressing them, as your letter might end up in their circular file.  Just FYI.

Not at all, some NDNs are allowed to participate in certain ceremonies and others are not allowed to participate in the identical ceremony. Also as I have repeatedly stated on this site some NDNs are allowed to posses certain spiritual items and other NDNs are forbidden to posses the same item. And....the ones who are allowed to practice our spiritual traditions were only allowed the right with the Native American Religious Freedoms Act of Aug. 11, 1978

http://74.6.117.48/search/srpcache?ei=UTF-8&p=native+american+religious+freedoms+act&fr=chrf-ytbm&u=http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=native+american+religious+freedoms+act&d=4742799371667661&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=c5d311b4,2fb35a28&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=vKn7Le0x5JM4R49r9hqE0w--