The Bible as Truth?

[sdecaro558]

To those saying the Bible is truth, or 100% true...  Elaborate please.  No offense meant, but those responses to me sound more like parrots, not responses of people of faith.  I myself believe the Bible is truth; but I would never call it literal truth, nor would I take it at face value - especially having studied the original languages and knowing how badly in places it's translated.

[constance312003]

The Bible shows me how to live my life and I believe the Holy Spirit gave the writers the written word

[paleskin04]

I look at the Bible more as a piece of literature. A fantastic one at that. I'm an agnostic, meaning that I need more proof of God to beleieve in him and the miracles and such in the Bible.

[constance312003]

Believing in Jesus is joy unspeakable and full of glory

[charmaine56]

Im a little on the tyranny side. I believe in the old testament. I dont believe in having Jesus on a cross. BTW folks. Jesus got off the cross. So why not celebrate a risen saviour. Keeping him on the cross is mind control.

I believe James is an important books. I do not care to read Pauls misleading any longer.

I dont believe that Paul the writer of much of the new testament was legit. I mean he sways to much. He said hes circumsized then he said he is not. I believe Paul was a Mason. I

t was the religious leaders that changed the notes of the music scale. The scale used to be the solfageo scale and that is why people had an open mind then. They changed the harmony to put people in the box thinking. In order to believe in miracles you must feel it happening. And I believe the Catholic church continues at the uppper level to harm people more than help people. And to stuff people in a box. They are part, I believe, in the NWO and the bible clearly says in Micah that if you partake in a ONE WORLD RELIGION then God will turn his back on you.

I believe that faith is important. I believe in being spiritual but not mind controlled. Not public church mind controlled. You do not get to heaven by a minister. All you need to know is in your heart when you have the faith and believe. I have had miracles in my life because of faith. 

I love church if its the right one but I wont get into the subserviant worthless part of it. So if I like a church and they start in with your not worthy. Then I believe run as fast as you can. You are able to repent on your own. And this public scrutiny repentance is a symbolic stoning of people. Once I went to a great retreat but they insisted I go to the alter and confess my sins. My biggest sin was not going to church regular. They were looking for lust and I was like sorry but Im not lusting after anyone or sleeping with anyone. I believe in repentance. Just as you wake up to  being gratefful for anything and everything. I believe before you go to sleep you say your Im sorry, please forgive me, I love you. Help me to Love and understand better.

My favorite church songs are I come to the garden alone while the dew is still on the roses. And the voice I hear falling on my ear the Son of God discloses and he walks with me and he talks with me and he tells me I am his own. And the joy we share as we tary there. None other, has ever, none. I sing that on one of my videos. So repentance is not to be resaid and resaid at church so that the upper people can discuss what to do with you because you sinned. I believe that people who do real bad things to people must repent, say they are sorry and its because they wont that so many people are hurting. Its not that hard to say Im sorry. 

Well what was the question??

Goodnight all.

OK I think thats enough to cause the roll of eyes by the believers and by the not sure ers.

Lots of Love to everyone

[Graeth]

The bible is the word of God, but transcribed by man.
So I believe in God, I just don't believe that the entirety of the bible is truth.
Because it has been manipulated by man in some fashion and man is far from perfect; especially the bible since it contradicts itself many times.
But seriously, if God instructs to adhere to forgiveness, why kill people who do not adhere to your way of thinking?
God supposedly gave us free will, but he did not give us stupidity.

[adstony]

One of the biggest problems is written by man.  But not just that but rewritten over and over.  God has spoken to everyone in their own way but if you have been leasing or not.  I do believe that GOD is all powerful.  He did give all of us free will which has made it where we can follow him or not.  I do also believe that the bible is not the only stories about GOD and Jesus.  There are years of Jesus' life that are not shown in the bible.  If you go to different beliefs through out the world there is a "holy man" that gave them basic rules they are to go by.  If you look at these "holy men" a lot of them are just like Jesus.  Just like it depending on how you read each of different groups books you have ones like what we see blowing them selves up to fight the devil.  One problem with any of books out there is they should be the word of God or for other books their holy man but as others have said they are all transcribed by man. 

[SCarter984]

Im a little on the tyranny side. I believe in the old testament. I dont believe in having Jesus on a cross. BTW folks. Jesus got off the cross. So why not celebrate a risen saviour. Keeping him on the cross is mind control.

I believe James is an important books. I do not care to read Pauls misleading any longer.

I dont believe that Paul the writer of much of the new testament was legit. I mean he sways to much. He said hes circumsized then he said he is not. I believe Paul was a Mason. I

t was the religious leaders that changed the notes of the music scale. The scale used to be the solfageo scale and that is why people had an open mind then. They changed the harmony to put people in the box thinking. In order to believe in miracles you must feel it happening. And I believe the Catholic church continues at the uppper level to harm people more than help people. And to stuff people in a box. They are part, I believe, in the NWO and the bible clearly says in Micah that if you partake in a ONE WORLD RELIGION then God will turn his back on you.

I believe that faith is important. I believe in being spiritual but not mind controlled. Not public church mind controlled. You do not get to heaven by a minister. All you need to know is in your heart when you have the faith and believe. I have had miracles in my life because of faith. 

I love church if its the right one but I wont get into the subserviant worthless part of it. So if I like a church and they start in with your not worthy. Then I believe run as fast as you can. You are able to repent on your own. And this public scrutiny repentance is a symbolic stoning of people. Once I went to a great retreat but they insisted I go to the alter and confess my sins. My biggest sin was not going to church regular. They were looking for lust and I was like sorry but Im not lusting after anyone or sleeping with anyone. I believe in repentance. Just as you wake up to  being gratefful for anything and everything. I believe before you go to sleep you say your Im sorry, please forgive me, I love you. Help me to Love and understand better.

My favorite church songs are I come to the garden alone while the dew is still on the roses. And the voice I hear falling on my ear the Son of God discloses and he walks with me and he talks with me and he tells me I am his own. And the joy we share as we tary there. None other, has ever, none. I sing that on one of my videos. So repentance is not to be resaid and resaid at church so that the upper people can discuss what to do with you because you sinned. I believe that people who do real bad things to people must repent, say they are sorry and its because they wont that so many people are hurting. Its not that hard to say Im sorry. 

Well what was the question??

Goodnight all.

OK I think thats enough to cause the roll of eyes by the believers and by the not sure ers.

Lots of Love to everyone

Wow Charmane,
I could not have said it better.  You took the words right out of my mouth.  I am of the same opinion as you.  I am a strong believer but do not attend church for the very reasons you state.  It has become a place for people to meet and greet and gossip.  I would love to see the same zeal shown to people in need.  By the way,  I Come to the Garden Alone, is one of my favorites, taught to me by my grandmother.

May the Lord continue to bless you and yours.

[dell9031]

The Bible is not truth....but every word that came out of God's mouth is.

[clickers]

The BIBLE is an Acronym for Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth! Everyone's truth is different, so when it comes to the Bible I don't see why that would be any different. We as humans disagree on so many things. That is why Jesus is one's personal savior...so you won't want to push it on some one else. You can share HIS word but you can't force it!

[Getinonthis]

Does that make everything the Jehovah's Witnesses believe incorrect?

I don't rememeber it perfectly, but as far as the name goes, I think it's nothing more than hebrew-to-english pronounciations. Similar to how the name "James" would be pronounced "Hay-meh" in spanish. But yeah, JW's are wrong about a lot of things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

I post this occasionally. I'm not sure if I've shown it to you before. If not, I think you'll get a kick out of it.

So sorry George was mislead by the ignorance of both ignorant Christians and non-believers who make up their own statements instead of taking the time to learn, Here's a simply video that show how of a crap your George's belief was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIQR9OuJ388&feature=related

I post this occasionally. I'm sure I haven't shown it to you before. But, I think you'll get a kick out of it.

[Falconer02]

So sorry George was mislead by the ignorance of both ignorant Christians and non-believers who make up their own statements instead of taking the time to learn, Here's a simply video that show how of a crap your George's belief was.

I know they were pretty blunt, but explain how ol' Georges explanations were wrong.

[Getinonthis]

So sorry George was mislead by the ignorance of both ignorant Christians and non-believers who make up their own statements instead of taking the time to learn, Here's a simply video that show how of a crap your George's belief was.

I know they were pretty blunt, but explain how ol' Georges explanations were wrong.

Did you read watch the clip I Posted?

[Getinonthis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIQR9OuJ388&feature=related

[Getinonthis]

Im a little on the tyranny side. I believe in the old testament. I dont believe in having Jesus on a cross. BTW folks. Jesus got off the cross. So why not celebrate a risen saviour. Keeping him on the cross is mind control.

I believe James is an important books. I do not care to read Pauls misleading any longer.

I dont believe that Paul the writer of much of the new testament was legit. I mean he sways to much. He said hes circumsized then he said he is not. I believe Paul was a Mason. I

t was the religious leaders that changed the notes of the music scale. The scale used to be the solfageo scale and that is why people had an open mind then. They changed the harmony to put people in the box thinking. In order to believe in miracles you must feel it happening. And I believe the Catholic church continues at the uppper level to harm people more than help people. And to stuff people in a box. They are part, I believe, in the NWO and the bible clearly says in Micah that if you partake in a ONE WORLD RELIGION then God will turn his back on you.

I believe that faith is important. I believe in being spiritual but not mind controlled. Not public church mind controlled. You do not get to heaven by a minister. All you need to know is in your heart when you have the faith and believe. I have had miracles in my life because of faith. 

I love church if its the right one but I wont get into the subserviant worthless part of it. So if I like a church and they start in with your not worthy. Then I believe run as fast as you can. You are able to repent on your own. And this public scrutiny repentance is a symbolic stoning of people. Once I went to a great retreat but they insisted I go to the alter and confess my sins. My biggest sin was not going to church regular. They were looking for lust and I was like sorry but Im not lusting after anyone or sleeping with anyone. I believe in repentance. Just as you wake up to  being gratefful for anything and everything. I believe before you go to sleep you say your Im sorry, please forgive me, I love you. Help me to Love and understand better.

My favorite church songs are I come to the garden alone while the dew is still on the roses. And the voice I hear falling on my ear the Son of God discloses and he walks with me and he talks with me and he tells me I am his own. And the joy we share as we tary there. None other, has ever, none. I sing that on one of my videos. So repentance is not to be resaid and resaid at church so that the upper people can discuss what to do with you because you sinned. I believe that people who do real bad things to people must repent, say they are sorry and its because they wont that so many people are hurting. Its not that hard to say Im sorry. 

Well what was the question??

Goodnight all.

OK I think thats enough to cause the roll of eyes by the believers and by the not sure ers.

Lots of Love to everyone

Wow Charmane,
I could not have said it better.  You took the words right out of my mouth.  I am of the same opinion as you.  I am a strong believer but do not attend church for the very reasons you state.  It has become a place for people to meet and greet and gossip.  I would love to see the same zeal shown to people in need.  By the way,  I Come to the Garden Alone, is one of my favorites, taught to me by my grandmother.

May the Lord continue to bless you and yours.

It's weird how people tend to fall into every little thing that sounds good, Like all that was said, some factual most fictional. But I do understand where you're coming from seeing that it's so easy to start a church, meaning not every church is for God, but there are still some. Hebrews 10:25 Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another--and all the more as you see the Day approaching. (NIV)


Also you spoke on faith but refuse Paul because he wavered like you're doing right now, but accepted James which you refuse to listen to. Paul speaks of the same faith you speak of saying we're justified by faith (by believing God) while James speaks that faith without works is dead. Which is what you're becoming by staying home (have faith and find a more suitable church and stop encouraging others to leave church because you suffered church hurt)

Hypocrites in Church (they're everywhere). But when they kick you out of church that puts you two steps away from God and the hypocrite one step closes don't let that so called hypocrite stand between you and God.

You're a smart person based on your ideals but know that without the church who will teach your kids to come and the one after. Quit complaining about good Christians and be one.