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Re: How did Global Warming become a Christian issue?
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2010, 10:34:17 am »
 I wasn't aware that global warming was a "christian" issue as Al Gore doesn't claim to be a "christian", what he does claim though (besides global warming) is that he was responsible for starting the internet.  (Apparently one doesn't have to be "christian" to have crazy beliefs!)  Anyway, christian issue or not--- where can the scientific proof be found for this global warming issue?  This "theory"  has made Al Gore and anyone else who's wanted to promote "going green" extra money but I don't consider that as scientific proof that it actually exists.  Has anyone actually found scientific proof from a credible source that there is a global warming issue? (PS: No where is there a policy that the government and its policies are just for non-believers.  As far as I know, any religion or lack thereof can vote, run for or hold office.)  Everyone can keep their big-girl panties/big boy briefs on, global warming is one of the biggest SCAMS in history, and as usual...it's been ALL ABOUT THE MONEY!!

An argument like this one I am more than ready to listen to.  I am not totally convinced that humans caused global warming. I am pretty sure our putting CO2 into the atmosphere isn't slowing it down though. It may very well be a natural occurrence. The Earth it about 4 and a half to 5 billion years old. I'm sure it's been hot and cold.  THIS discussion I understand.  But the Devil creating the myth so that we will vote "baby Killers" into office is absurd.

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Re: How did Global Warming become a Christian issue?
« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2010, 10:59:12 am »
This is too funny! Not only is this the weakest example of sound research process, it is also absurd in its very notion. Hats off to an absurd post!

Well for the record I am not a Christian and I do not celebrate Christmas.  I wasn't trying to give a sound research process, I was just pulling up a quick example against Christmas.  The fact that the holiday was stolen from the pagans for the sole reason of converting people says nothing to you??

What thinking person would even care - this is much ado about nothing! Granted, there are believers that make this a big thing, but the reality is - it means little!

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I can understand "allowing the pagans to keep their traditions" when the whole Christmas celebration was first getting started, but now that it has done its job of becoming a widespread yearly phenomena, isn't it kind of hypocritical to continue to partake in the customs of a "false religion"?

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Perhaps! Although it could be argued that much of what some say started with paganism, really didn't - except for the day itself. There is a great deal of evidential controversy concerning some of the foundational customs - having almost wrote a book on it a few years back, I have researched this a great deal. Morever, if a believer celebrates the season as a secular holiday with faith based lenses, one wouldn't be practicing hypocrisy. For example, when my children were younger we told them the whole truth about Christmas, Santa, etc... never lied to them about any of it. We merely made Christ the center of the celebration. In this way, we acknowledged the customs, but embraced only our faith.

As for Sheryl's article about why Xtians celebrating Christmas is okay, I found it to be full of weak excuses.  Let's face it, the average Christian does not look forward to December 25th for the church mass or Bible stories.  They look forward to it for the same reasons the secularists do - the lights, the decorating, the food, the songs, PRESENTS, family and friends - all of which have nothing to do with god.  So quit lying to yourselves.
 

I love the secular holiday, but keep it in its proper perspective.


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Re: How did Global Warming become a Christian issue?
« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2010, 11:15:23 am »
I wish I knew more but ok....The planet is 4 or 5 billion years old....let's assume God's day is 1 billion years to us. On the 3rd billion year vegetation arrived, on the 5th billion year people were here does this sound right? How long have humankind been around? This cannot be accurate because the planet would have to be 7 billion years old. People got here around the 5th billion year. Also let's see...God created everything before he rested. So this would be the 7th billion year and he is resting. But this does seem like it could be accurate considering the 1st and 2nd day there was no planet. So the 3rd thru the 7th day leaves...Drum Roll.... 5 BILLION YEARS.

Haha...ohh this is cute.  Elissa, seriously, you say you accept evolution...well this paragraph you just came up with proves you know nothing about it.  Modern humans as we know them today are only 200,000 years old...which means a HEAP of time was spent on all of the more basic lifeforms that came before.  If you believe in evolution you cannot believe in the original sin story, as the Bible's events have a timeline of the Garden of Eden happening ~6,000 years ago.  The Bible says Adam was the FIRST man.  So how can you say you accept evolution but also the god story when the first man was 200,00 years ago?  Your math doesn't add up, and now you're trying to say that scientists have got it wrong and the earth is really 7 billion years old?  That's a desperate attempt if I ever saw one to try to reconcile how science DESTROYS the creation story.
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Re: How did Global Warming become a Christian issue?
« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2010, 01:12:38 pm »
I wish I knew more but ok....The planet is 4 or 5 billion years old....let's assume God's day is 1 billion years to us. On the 3rd billion year vegetation arrived, on the 5th billion year people were here does this sound right? How long have humankind been around? This cannot be accurate because the planet would have to be 7 billion years old. People got here around the 5th billion year. Also let's see...God created everything before he rested. So this would be the 7th billion year and he is resting. But this does seem like it could be accurate considering the 1st and 2nd day there was no planet. So the 3rd thru the 7th day leaves...Drum Roll.... 5 BILLION YEARS.

WwwwW... What? What?  I.. I ..  WHAT?

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Re: How did Global Warming become a Christian issue?
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2010, 11:28:48 am »
HOW would YOU KNOW what Christmas means to the average Christian?  because you USED to be one so you can just presume to think and speak for ALL of them or..

I'm never speaking for ALL of anybody.  Hats off to ya if your Christmas is as little secular as possible.  Bravo if you can honestly say your day is not primarily about the presents or pagan-based activities.  Excuse me for being skeptical, though, because every single god-believing family I've come across/baby-sat for/witnessed amongst my own friends and family celebrates their Christmas in a manner that is high on the commercialism and low on the god.
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Re: How did Global Warming become a Christian issue?
« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2010, 12:37:58 pm »
If you believe in evolution you cannot believe in the original sin story, as the Bible's events have a timeline of the Garden of Eden happening ~6,000 years ago.  The Bible says Adam was the FIRST man.  So how can you say you accept evolution but also the god story when the first man was 200,00 years ago?  Your math doesn't add up, and now you're trying to say that scientists have got it wrong and the earth is really 7 billion years old?  That's a desperate attempt if I ever saw one to try to reconcile how science DESTROYS the creation story.

Quoting myself here!  Good video on this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHlQgetztBw&playnext_from=TL&videos=uexbwabqKCs  Basically it is saying that evolution proves the god of the Bible isn't real.  Watch to find out why.
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Re: How did Global Warming become a Christian issue?
« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2010, 07:54:15 am »
I disagree.  Global warming is not an issue that is just important to Christians.  Global warming is an issue that affects everyone.

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Re: How did Global Warming become a Christian issue?
« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2010, 11:18:05 am »
I watched that video. Okay so the bible God may not be real but when the people wrote the bible they introduced a concept that even the video states...it doesn't prove there is NO GOD. God is God whoever or whatever God is, point blank, simple.

I had to quote this and add the underline...you just admitted the Biblegod cannot be real if one accepts the fact of evolution (thank you, non-Christians have been trying to tell believers this for years!).  And the Bible writers did not introduce the concept of god...there are plenty of religions older than Judaism/Christianity.  Again, IMHO, a belief in god(s) goes back to ancient man trying to explain things before we had the technological capabilities to do so.

Evolution showing there was no original sin doesn't prove that there is not a deistic god, you're right, but it does prove there is not a Christian god!  Which is what the majority of Americans believe in when they say god.  I'd much rather have people believe in god in general than the malevolent, homophobic, hell-casting one of the Bible!   :thumbsup:
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Re: How did Global Warming become a Christian issue?
« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2010, 11:22:04 am »
I wish I knew more but ok....The planet is 4 or 5 billion years old....let's assume God's day is 1 billion years to us. On the 3rd billion year vegetation arrived, on the 5th billion year people were here does this sound right? How long have humankind been around? This cannot be accurate because the planet would have to be 7 billion years old. People got here around the 5th billion year. Also let's see...God created everything before he rested. So this would be the 7th billion year and he is resting. But this does seem like it could be accurate considering the 1st and 2nd day there was no planet. So the 3rd thru the 7th day leaves...Drum Roll.... 5 BILLION YEARS.

Haha...ohh this is cute.  Elissa, seriously, you say you accept evolution...well this paragraph you just came up with proves you know nothing about it.  Modern humans as we know them today are only 200,000 years old...which means a HEAP of time was spent on all of the more basic lifeforms that came before.  If you believe in evolution you cannot believe in the original sin story, as the Bible's events have a timeline of the Garden of Eden happening ~6,000 years ago.  The Bible says Adam was the FIRST man.  So how can you say you accept evolution but also the god story when the first man was 200,00 years ago?  Your math doesn't add up, and now you're trying to say that scientists have got it wrong and the earth is really 7 billion years old?  That's a desperate attempt if I ever saw one to try to reconcile how science DESTROYS the creation story.

Oh reallly... modern humans have been around for 2000,00 years. Yet, we have only about 6 Billion people on this planet. Talk about a mathe problem! WoW!

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Re: How did Global Warming become a Christian issue?
« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2010, 11:32:39 am »
If you believe in evolution you cannot believe in the original sin story, as the Bible's events have a timeline of the Garden of Eden happening ~6,000 years ago.  The Bible says Adam was the FIRST man.  So how can you say you accept evolution but also the god story when the first man was 200,00 years ago?  Your math doesn't add up, and now you're trying to say that scientists have got it wrong and the earth is really 7 billion years old?  That's a desperate attempt if I ever saw one to try to reconcile how science DESTROYS the creation story.

Quoting myself here!  Good video on this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHlQgetztBw&playnext_from=TL&videos=uexbwabqKCs  Basically it is saying that evolution proves the god of the Bible isn't real.  Watch to find out why.

I love comedy. I will quote the author of the video: "Darwin had NO EVIDENCE!" Yet, this lack of evidence has undermined all of religion! Good grief! Talk about a mythical faith!

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Re: How did Global Warming become a Christian issue?
« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2010, 11:34:39 am »
I disagree.  Global warming is not an issue that is just important to Christians.  Global warming is an issue that affects everyone.

If global warming is found to be absolutely true, it is an important issue. However, there is a great deal of controvery among many leading scientists regarding this issue. A wise person will wait until the evidence has absolutely be settled while still caring for the world that God created.

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Re: How did Global Warming become a Christian issue?
« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2010, 11:39:47 am »

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I had to quote this and add the underline...you just admitted the Biblegod cannot be real if one accepts the fact of evolution (thank you, non-Christians have been trying to tell believers this for years!).  And the Bible writers did not introduce the concept of god...there are plenty of religions older than Judaism/Christianity.  Again, IMHO, a belief in god(s) goes back to ancient man trying to explain things before we had the technological capabilities to do so
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I agree. If evolution is true, the Bible is not.

Please provide all your proof that "there are plenty of religions older than Judaism/Christianity." I would love to see what you have - thanks!

I do not believe we have evolved. I believe we have de-volved. There was a great deal of technological capabilities before the flood, but that is for another thread.

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Evolution showing there was no original sin doesn't prove that there is not a deistic god, you're right, but it does prove there is not a Christian god!  Which is what the majority of Americans believe in when they say god.  I'd much rather have people believe in god in general than the malevolent, homophobic, hell-casting one of the Bible!   :thumbsup:

Evolution has many different branches and streams. Please tell me which one you ascribe too. I mean, which evolutional sect do you place your faith in - because you should know that there is a great deal of differences besteween groups?!

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Re: How did Global Warming become a Christian issue?
« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2010, 11:42:44 am »
Oh reallly... modern humans have been around for 2000,00 years. Yet, we have only about 6 Billion people on this planet. Talk about a mathe problem! WoW!

Heh, seriously?  People thousands of years ago were not scientifically equipped for all manner of diseases, plagues, droughts, and other ills...therefore, populations were very much at risk for having large numbers wiped out.  The explosion of population we see now is the direct result of the Agricultural and Industrial Revolutions, which didn't happen until the 17th-19th centuries!  Also the amount of progress we are expected to have in the 21st century alone is equivalent to 20,000 years worth of progress that came before it.

For someone who claims to have Ph.D's, I'm surprised you would say something so silly!
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Re: How did Global Warming become a Christian issue?
« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2010, 12:10:52 pm »
So why are we not evolving? Or is this it, we are going to stay this way forever?

*shakes head* *facepalms self*  Evolution works by natural selection...for example, if all of the really short people die off/don't reproduce, eventually we will no longer have really short people.  It's also something that happens in very slight steps over many generations...it is not something that can be witnessed in one lifetime.  It's like looking at a picture of you when you were 3, 12, and today...all the same person, but you changed a little bit each day without you being aware of it as you grew up.

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Just because you dug up some bones of great apes doesn't mean they were our ancestors, they may have been a different species all together and died off.

Sorry but the DNA evidence proves we all have a common ancestor.

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I will believe in evolution if people start evolving, animals start evolving, but as far as I know that is not happening, everything is staying the same!  :thumbsup:

Again, what you expect from evolution is not how it actually happens.  It requires a great deal of time and is not something that someone is going to witness before their very eyes one day (like a whale growing feet and climbing out of the ocean...although they do actually have bones for that, what does that tell you??).  

Ask yourself why humans have tailbones and tails in the womb?  Why do humans have an appendix (hint: it has to do with our diet thousands of years ago)?  Why does a man's vas deferens form a looping, indirect, unintelligentally-designed route from his testicles to his *bleep* (hint: it has to do with the evolution of his testicles for tempature purposes)?

The evidence for evolution is all around you!!!
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Re: How did Global Warming become a Christian issue?
« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2010, 02:13:51 pm »
Oh reallly... modern humans have been around for 2000,00 years. Yet, we have only about 6 Billion people on this planet. Talk about a mathe problem! WoW!

Heh, seriously?  People thousands of years ago were not scientifically equipped for all manner of diseases, plagues, droughts, and other ills...therefore, populations were very much at risk for having large numbers wiped out.  The explosion of population we see now is the direct result of the Agricultural and Industrial Revolutions, which didn't happen until the 17th-19th centuries!  Also the amount of progress we are expected to have in the 21st century alone is equivalent to 20,000 years worth of progress that came before it.

For someone who claims to have Ph.D's, I'm surprised you would say something so silly!

Mocking others before you present any facts is like advertizing for something you have never seen. You may end up looking foolish!

1. I did not know that scientifically equipping was the criteria for survival? This sounds a bit contradictory at the least.
2. Arbitrarily inserting the idea that large numbers were wiped out without any evidence is a mythical mindset. Not only have you not presented what "large numbers" really mean, but you also have not provided anything that is valid. This seems like a philosophical, faith based message, IMHO.
3. Here, let me help you: Let us take your theory concerning the timeframe for humans as 200,000 years (this number is quite arbitrary, but many evolutionists [not all] believe it).

So, the question can be asked, "how long does it take for the population to double? If one were to invest $100 in the bank at 7% interest per year, it would take 10 years for this to double - $200.00. It would take another 10 years for that to double - $400.00. So, for the sake of argument, let us take two people and double their number. We won't count twins, etc... In normal circumstances, this would take a little less than 2 years. How long would it take these 4 people to double their number if all things are normal? Another 20 or 30 years? [excursus: the reality is that the first couple could have children every year, which would double the population in 4 years, and in by 8 more years the population would double again. However, we are giving the evolutionists the benefit of the doubt] To help the evolutionists again, we will propose that it takes 150 years for the population to double. This means that after 150 years after one couple procreated, 8 people existed. Now, let us ask a silly question: "How long would it take for the initial population of the two to become 6.7 billion people? It would only take 4,800 years! This is simple math, and is only meant to show how evolution does not "add up!"

Now, let us pretend that "??" evolved to be a human 200,000 years. Of course, to give the benefit of the doubt to the evolutionists again, we will pretend that two have evolved at the same time. So, we will start with one couple. Now, let us really help the evolutionist's cause. Let us say that the each couple only lived 150 years (btw, using 150 years gives the evolutionist a great mathematical advantage), but only had 4 children during those 150 years. So, this would mean that every time the population doubled, 25% would die. So, you start off with 2 people. They have 4 people. These 4 people have 16. However, 25% leave because of attrition. This leaves 12. Let us really help the evolutionist and say that another 50% die because of famine, disease, war etc... every generation from the beginning of man's existence. Now, you have 6 people living at the end of the first 300 years. These 6 have 4 children each. This is 24, but again, attrition takes 25%, leaving them 18. 50% die, leaving them 12. So, in 450 years, there are only 12 people. So, instead of double each generation, they are only adding. It takes them 900 years to double. Now, take 200,000 and divide it by 900 years for each doubling. You will come up with 222 doublings by the year this year. This means that all one needs to do is double the population on the calculator 222 times. Just doubling it 30 times will bring the population to 6.4 Billion. Ok, let us help the evolutionist out some more. Let us say that there was a major catastrophe that took place after 30 doublings. Only 10% live! That would be 6.4 million. We go back to doubling the population every 900 years. After 30 doublings, we now have 675539943986144 in population. Ok, let us help the evolutionist again. Another big catastrophe! This time only one couple lives. So, we start over, and it takes 900 years to double in population again. Now remember, for 200,000 years to pass by, we need to double 222 times. We have only done it 30 doublings. We have over 200 left. Ok, let us help them out some more, we have two or three more catastrophes, and we are left with one couple again. This time it is about 27,000 years ago. All the criteria is the same. We are only allowed to double every 900 years. Oh no - our calculations tell us that we have over 6.4 billion people on the earth again. Who came up with this 200,000 mythical number anyway?

For those who want to think deeper about this:

http://ldolphin.org/popul.html

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