I thought this was brilliant

[queenofnines]

Hey Queens,

By the time I was your age

You have no idea how old I am, so why are you being arrogant?  Age doesn't necessarily have anything to do with intelligence.

I had committed almost every immoral act on the planet...I was incredibly depressed, unhappy and suicidal. I was militant in my attempts to convert people to the party life. I was quickly going to a very dark place.

I have not committed almost every immoral act on the planet.    I'm not depressed nor suicidal.  I am not "militant" because I know it's a person's choice to be ignorant to reality or not.  I am not in a dark place.

It doesn't mean you suddenly are going to become an unethical person - usually it takes a few years!

Are you serious??  You've already admitted that you sort of believed in god yet did a host of "sinful" things.

Think about the humanistic perspective and you tell me is this a positive and good...

It sure is!  The humanistic perspectives realizes owning blacks as slaves is wrong, that we should not discriminate against women nor gays...UNLIKE YOUR BIBLEGOD.

Self Deception: "The world has no problems, and everyone is good!"

What looney tune says there's no problems in the world?!  And NO, not everyone is "good" by our standards of what is best for a secular society.

All believers are intolerant. We should rid the world of them.

You said it, not me.    If that is a typo and you meant to say non-believers, watch this video and tell me who is the intolerant group: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmIr9P-vkSQ&playnext_from=TL&videos=qpPsdqLo--k

Self Deception: If everyone was allowed to do exactly what their biological drives (which is defined individually since there are no absolutes), pointed, pain, heartache, death, and crime would be rampant.

Why do you have an all-or-nothing mentality?  Natural drives that are VICTIMLESS are fine (i.e. homosexual sex, masturbation, monitored prostitution, etc.).  Natural drives that are NOT victimless are NOT fine (i.e. rape and murder).  Je-sus, is it really that hard to understand?

Babies are worthless, so abort them.

But then they go straight to heaven, right?

Spend all your life centered on your own desires - you are the only one that matters

Correct.  And that's pretty much what everyone does, even believers.  But this can still allow for respect for your fellow man to chase after his personal desires, too.

Be tolerant of everyone but Christians.

We're tolerant of your right to believe fairytales but we're NOT tolerant of the negative actions you choose to take because of those fairytales.

Imagine you are so good you need no one.

Realize you are ultimately responsible for yourself and should do good because it is good and not do bad because it is bad, not because some sky daddy is watching you.  We share a planet and if I would rather not get murdered and you would rather not get murdered, let's agree to not murder each other then!  This is not rocket science.

Who cares about real science, deception, and dumbing down of the public. Believe everything that is taught to you.

Haha, so the Bible that says the earth is 6,000 years old, flat, and that we came from dirt is "real science"?  Blindly believing a Bronze Age-era collection of works written by anonymous tent-dwellers is deception!  And yes, believe everything that is taught to you just like you would of Islam had you been born in the Middle East!  Ah-hem.

I don't believe everything that is taught to me, just for the record.  That's how people can escape dogma.

Tell me Queens, who determines healthy - are there then absolutes?

WE do as a collective society via what is best for the health, well-being, and survival of the majority of us.  It is always evolving and improving.  And it's why you follow society's rules rather than god's when you choose not to stone your unruly children.  Which makes you a hypocrite btw, if you worship said god.

My professional counseling experience outside of Christianity tells me that the most unhappy, depressed, dysfunctional, paranoid, abusive, confused, and hurting people are those who have left God. In their attempts to cloak their guilt, they are forced into all kinds of behavior that feeds their guilt to the point of desperation.

And that may be true or not true but that does not prove god.  Perhaps those people who are depressed realize this is all there is, and that can suck sometimes if you dwell on it.  Perhaps those who are dysfunctional are freaking out because they know they didn't "choose" to be gay, but god says they will burn in hell forever simply due to who they love.  You can be abusive and believe in god, too.  Perhaps they are confused as to why a "loving" god should have need to torture people FOREVER simply for not being able to believe in him.  Atheists only account for 10-15% of the population, so what are you talking about??

You may fool some people on this board, but in my over 50 years of experience, I know what rebellion causes in the hearts of people
BTW, have a great day. God still loves you!

No you don't know, you just think you know.  Have you studied evolution or "the god part of the brain"?  Do you realize that we are physical beings made of matter, and all matter must follow the laws of physics, meaning estentially that your whole life down to your very thoughts is already pre-determined due to a casual chain of events?  Not bad for a "young one" to be aware of these things, huh?

BTW, when you end an attack with "P.S. God loves you!", you sound very self-righteous.  It also seemed like you thought I wrote everything you responded to when I did not.  I was merely sharing a conversation I read on a website.

[queenofnines]

All I can say is in my entire life, I have never encountered atheists that treated believers like this, it is very shocking. Such hostile people up in here.

Stop playing the hurt feelings card.  It does not help your case like you think it does and you would still play the hurt feelings card no matter HOW we phrased things.

[Falconer02]

My professional counseling experience outside of Christianity tells me that the most unhappy, depressed, dysfunctional, paranoid, abusive, confused, and hurting people are those who have left God. In their attempts to cloak their guilt, they are forced into all kinds of behavior that feeds their guilt to the point of desperation.

I'll get back to you on your whole post, but your logic seems a bit scrambled when it applies to real life vs. fantasy. Example?

Who cares about real science, deception, and dumbing down of the public. Believe everything that is taught to you

Question science because it's deceptive but don't question the bible? Don't question things like the dirt man, rib woman, talking snake, a boat builder who has every animal on earth in it, a guy who draws super-strength from his hair, a man who heals people by touching them and who also can walk on water, etc. etc. etc. Teaching people to question things is a good thing because it helps them sniff out BS. I would never say science is dumbing down society if there is testable evidence that points to a logical conclusion. It's opening their eyes to the world as it really is. It is ignorance from religion that refuses to acknowledge these things being discovered. Things like the creationist museum and religious pseudosciences are dumbing down the public (half of texas believes people lived with dinosaurs at one point!). Not natural science. No offense, but it's attitudes like this that kept the world flat.

[rwdeese]

Question science because it's deceptive but don't question the bible?

I find this very assumptive. Who said that?

I believe one should question everything, but then be intellectually honest enought to go where the evidence leads them. Do you?

Don't question things like the dirt man, rib woman, talking snake, a boat builder who has every animal on earth in it, a guy who draws super-strength from his hair, a man who heals people by touching them and who also can walk on water, etc. etc. etc.

Scientifically, you couldn't even prove you were in another room two days ago, so does this mean it didn't take place?

Teaching people to question things is a good thing because it helps them sniff out BS. I would never say science is dumbing down society if there is testable evidence that points to a logical conclusion.

"If" is the big question, of course. Science only dumbs down society when it is filled with intellectual dishonesty, which can easily be proven in regards to the documented evolutionary scientific coverups that have taken place in the last hundred years. You are aware of those, right?

It's opening their eyes to the world as it really is. It is ignorance from religion that refuses to acknowledge these things being discovered. Things like the creationist museum and religious pseudosciences are dumbing down the public (half of texas believes people lived with dinosaurs at one point!). Not natural science. No offense, but it's attitudes like this that kept the world flat.

Quite frankly, the evolutionists have dumbed man down to actually belieivng he came from a monkey. No wonder people feel so worthless! They think they are mere animals! Of Course, your generalization about creation science being pseudoscience proves my point. It matters not where the evidence leads, only that one prove that God does not exist. In this way, man does not need any accountability - how convenient!

The attitudes that kept the world flat were those who didn't go where the evidence leads. If they would have read their Bible, they would have noticed that it speaks of the world being roung!

G'day

[queenofnines]

Quite frankly, the evolutionists have dumbed man down to actually belieivng he came from a monkey.

Yes, they obviously have dumbed you down if you think we came from monkeys.  Anytime a believer says this it proves that they have NO KNOWLEDGE WHATSOEVER on what evolution actually is.  We didn't come from monkeys; we do share a common ancestor with them, though.

Here, I'll use a stupid analogy so people who think we came from monkeys can understand: If the first "Americans" came from Europe, then why are there still Europeans??  Because we share a common ancestor.  Get it?

No wonder people feel so worthless! They think they are mere animals!

You are an animal, sorry.  Are you not warm-blooded?  Do you not have a spine?  If you're a female, do you not have the ability to give birth to live young and nurse your offspring with *bleep*?  Do you not have hair?  Do you not have four limbs?  Do you not breathe air?  Well guess what, these characteristics of mammals are also shared by cows, horses, dogs, cats, elephants, dolphins, and your favorite, MONKEYS!  Just because our intelligence is higher does not make the rest "mere" animals.  A cheetah is way better than a human at running; a dog is way better than you at smelling. 

Explain to me why you are suddenly worthless because you are an animal.  Oh wait, I know!  Because if you evolved from lower life forms, you were not specially designed by god!  At least not the Christian god.  That would mean the Christian god is a lie.  Uh-oh. 

If they would have read their Bible, they would have noticed that it speaks of the world being roung!

And if you would have read your WHOLE Bible *and* taken a geometry class, you'd know the verse you are referring to is NOT speaking of the earth being round!

Isaiah 40:22 - "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in"

The earth is a SPHERE, not a circle.  Plus in this passage, the world is still being described as having a FLAT foundation..."as a tent".  Which is an accurate description for people who didn't yet know the earth was round!

[queenofnines]

Some pictures to illustrate my point...

[Falconer02]

I find this very assumptive. Who said that?

Perhaps I misread, but you did. If you meant something else, would you mind explaining it in different words?

I believe one should question everything, but then be intellectually honest enought to go where the evidence leads them. Do you?

Yes I do. And this is why the christian god does not exist and why every myth in the bible never happened. You have a defined and personalized god with no evidence to support it besides aged man-made stories and emotional experiences that could have been used to prove any god. Most cultures have them and do this though-- yours is just as true as the next. To define the supernatural still requires proof and evidence surpassing skepticism.

Scientifically, you couldn't even prove you were in another room two days ago, so does this mean it didn't take place?

Yes you can prove someone was in a room 2 days ago. With the technology at our disposal and our ability to think of many possible ways of how to test this, we could prove it through those tests. Crime scene investigation tactics perfected through centuries of development.

Science only dumbs down society when it is filled with intellectual dishonesty, which can easily be proven in regards to the documented evolutionary scientific coverups that have taken place in the last hundred years. You are aware of those, right?

And creationist thinking isn't filled with intellectual dishonesty and coverups throughout mankinds entire history? Even today? Let me ask you this...if you were given two subjects who are both lying--
A.) One fessed up and said they were having troubles with their information and then showed they were wrong but then pursued the truth afterwards. They end up finding irrefutable proof of their hypothesis (microevolution) and are open to show it to the skeptics for verification.
B.) The other knew he was lying even though he had already been proven guilty. He keeps preaching lies thus making him delusional by definition. Every lie swelled with irrational and illogical stories of supernatural events. Whenever someone questions it, they are labeled as siding with the antagonistic spirit-demon who's swirling around in their head.
Who are you going to side with?

Quite frankly, the evolutionists have dumbed man down to actually belieivng he came from a monkey.

Because of this statement, I'm honestly not sure if anyone could trust your knowledge on the subject.

No wonder people feel so worthless! They think they are mere animals! Of Course, your generalization about creation science being pseudoscience proves my point. It matters not where the evidence leads, only that one prove that God does not exist. In this way, man does not need any accountability - how convenient!

We're animals and it's awesome. I just wish I had nightvision and retractable claws. That's all that depresses me about it. Creationist science is pseudoscience. With what is known, the evidence leads to all personalized gods not existing. Everyone's accountable for their actions. That's a big reason why governments exist.

The attitudes that kept the world flat were those who didn't go where the evidence leads. If they would have read their Bible, they would have noticed that it speaks of the world being roung!

I never saw 'oblate spheroid' in the bible. To say this is stretching the truth too far which is what creationist science does all the time. They also never bring up the other words or verses surrounding those statements as Queen has quoted above. Not to jump into another debate, but this is a major reason why homosexuality is viewed as wrong in the bible. People lay on one or two verses and don't read anything around them to realize how hypocritical they're being.

[carebearmafia]

Good gravy why can't we all just be friends? We're all gonna end up dead in the dirt regardless..

[queenofnines]

And creationist thinking isn't filled with intellectual dishonesty and coverups throughout mankinds entire history? Even today? Let me ask you this...if you were given two subjects who are both lying--
A.) One fessed up and said they were having troubles with their information and then showed they were wrong but then pursued the truth afterwards. They end up finding irrefutable proof of their hypothesis (microevolution) and are open to show it to the skeptics for verification.
B.) The other knew he was lying even though he had already been proven guilty. He keeps preaching lies thus making him delusional by definition. Every lie swelled with irrational and illogical stories of supernatural events. Whenever someone questions it, they are labeled as siding with the antagonistic spirit-demon who's swirling around in their head.
Who are you going to side with?

Bravo!      I bolded the last part because it is the best part.

No if you learned how to communicate in a polite manner and tone well then...it is not you, you are atcually mild compared to some but at times can be harsh.

Yes, sometimes I can be harsh, but I would equate it to "tough love" because maybe by being harsh they can finally realize how unfounded the things they are saying are (whereas if I were as polite as an old grandma, they would simply never "get it").  They can then stop spreading stupid lies like we came from monkeys, for example (I'm saying that in general, not against a specific person).  If they aren't called on their statements which conflict with observable reality, they're going to go on spreading their ignorance to other people, which can lead to bad things occurring when people do not have all of the clear facts.

[queenofnines]

So in simple terms we evolved from Apes, since Apes is what we all come from and we are related.

We did not "evolve" from apes; we split off from our common ancestor in different directions.  Which is why there are still monkeys today. 

[Brooke92]

This is a very good find. I find myself a little confused when it comes to religion (religion being the different beliefs of groups of people). I continually find myself feeling awkward inside of places that claim a religion. I just know what I believe in and that's ll.

[queenofnines]

I continually find myself feeling awkward inside of places that claim a religion.

Perhaps you should investigate that feeling further, as what you're describing is usually a tell-tale sign that you KNOW something fishy is going on; something doesn't seem rational, something isn't adding up...  I had that same feeling myself when I used to go to Baptist services and people started wailing out-of-the-blue and that was the whole service, people wailing and the pastor chanting, "Hallelujah!" over and over again.  Even as a then-Christian I could see that such behaviors are indicators of a CULT.

[FuzzyCottonsocks]

This has nothing to do with anything, but I had to post these pix.  I lol'd.

[Cuppycake]

Good gravy why can't we all just be friends? We're all gonna end up dead in the dirt regardless..

Most perhaps but I do not believe in the burying of bodies. It is a waste of space!

[queenofnines]

Most perhaps but I do not believe in the burying of bodies. It is a waste of space!

Yeah but people need to have their little mark on the world even in death because they're insecure.  I don't know why they think it matters; most of us will be forgotten within a generation or two...