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queenofnines

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If I were a Christian, I'd claim this as proof of "god"...
« on: June 14, 2010, 02:46:52 pm »
So my husband just came home and tells me that when he was getting out of his training class, he saw an ambulance and police cars in the parking lot.  At first he thought it might be for some poor guy who got caught running in the heat (there is a track nearby), but as he walked closer, he saw a black Mustang smashed into a line of cars, the same line of cars in which he parked in!  The ambulance and police car were blocking the sight of our car, so he was pretty worried before he got to it.  Alas, there were 3 smashed cars in a row, with the white car parked next to ours visibly moved but not touching ours.  So all of the cars in that line got wrecked, but not ours, which was parked on the end!

Hubby says he had two choices of parking spots in that line when he initially parked, and decided to go with the one on the end to get a better angle backing out.  The other spot would have been the very first one, a.k.a. the one that received the most damage!  He also says that a week ago he was thinking about what would happen if a car were to barrel through the parking lot, how many cars would it smash?  That's not him being psychic, he just always things about weird things like that.  :P

** Moral of the story: be an atheist, because then your car won't get smashed! **

Haha, j/k.  I feel really bad for the other 3 people.

REAL moral of the story: this is not proof for god, but is totally an example of something a Christian might use for their "god proof".  These types of experiences happen to everyone!!

P.S.  Stop driving fast in your fancy cars, people.  Ya see what happens??
"It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
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Re: If I were a Christian, I'd claim this as proof of "god"...
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2010, 06:43:08 pm »
Nope it is more like I see a bad car accident coming your way but it was a death threat right...lol  :thumbsup:

So suddenly the car accident you wished upon Falconer has been translated into an event of my husband's?  Seriously, you are completely wacko.  But thanks for proving my point on how crazies like you like to twist reality to suit their own purposes.
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Re: If I were a Christian, I'd claim this as proof of "god"...
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2010, 04:48:45 pm »
Wow that's nuts. Glad he's okay! We all have stuff like this happen sometimes-- sometimes bigger and sometimes smaller. I once walked outside and a metal pellet smashed into the side of the door not 1 foot away from my face. The pellet richocheted off of the metal target. My brother could of shot my eye out!

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That's not him being psychic, he just always things about weird things like that.

I think a lot of people do this. As "morbidly psychic" as it is sometimes, I think it just prepares you for the worst-case scenario.

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Re: If I were a Christian, I'd claim this as proof of "god"...
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2010, 05:03:36 am »
Some people should not be allowed to drive.   :BangHead:

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Re: If I were a Christian, I'd claim this as proof of "god"...
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2010, 08:10:07 am »
Wow that's nuts. Glad he's okay!

Yeah, me too.  Had it been just a little earlier walking into the parking lot... :(  I was standing there wide-eyed as he told me, seeing that he was okay, but anxious to know if our car was.   :o  I am glad you are okay from your brush with a pellet!

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Some people should not be allowed to drive.

Agreed!
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Re: If I were a Christian, I'd claim this as proof of "god"...
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2010, 08:21:35 am »
queenofnines,
Wow, just read this and how freaky was that?! I got a huge shiver all over reading it. I am just sooo thankful your husband wasn't in the wrong place at the wrong time and he is okay. Cars can be fixed, but not always people.

I have had more close calls than I can count, including narrowly missing being shot in the E.R. at our hospital by a guy who was off his meds for schizophrenia - a doctor almost lost his life in that one and I was standing 6 inches away. Not the ideal way to do it, but it does make you value seconds and millimeters when these things happen.

I have to agree with you on your point that many would call it proof of God. Whatever the case, again, your 'best friend' is in one piece and that's what matters.
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Re: If I were a Christian, I'd claim this as proof of "god"...
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2010, 03:50:49 pm »
I have had more close calls than I can count, including narrowly missing being shot in the E.R. at our hospital by a guy who was off his meds for schizophrenia - a doctor almost lost his life in that one and I was standing 6 inches away.

Wow, glad you're okay!  That's scary.

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I have to agree with you on your point that many would call it proof of God.

Yep, failing to see there is absolutely zero supernatural elements to it.
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Re: If I were a Christian, I'd claim this as proof of "god"...
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2010, 01:52:08 am »
So my husband just came home and tells me that when he was getting out of his training class, he saw an ambulance and police cars in the parking lot.  At first he thought it might be for some poor guy who got caught running in the heat (there is a track nearby), but as he walked closer, he saw a black Mustang smashed into a line of cars, the same line of cars in which he parked in!  The ambulance and police car were blocking the sight of our car, so he was pretty worried before he got to it.  Alas, there were 3 smashed cars in a row, with the white car parked next to ours visibly moved but not touching ours.  So all of the cars in that line got wrecked, but not ours, which was parked on the end!

Hubby says he had two choices of parking spots in that line when he initially parked, and decided to go with the one on the end to get a better angle backing out.  The other spot would have been the very first one, a.k.a. the one that received the most damage!  He also says that a week ago he was thinking about what would happen if a car were to barrel through the parking lot, how many cars would it smash?  That's not him being psychic, he just always things about weird things like that.  :P

** Moral of the story: be an atheist, because then your car won't get smashed! **

Haha, j/k.  I feel really bad for the other 3 people.

REAL moral of the story: this is not proof for god, but is totally an example of something a Christian might use for their "god proof".  These types of experiences happen to everyone!!

P.S.  Stop driving fast in your fancy cars, people.  Ya see what happens??
This story is an example of a Christian who believes in a popular misled doctrine as their model for Christian faith.

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Re: If I were a Christian, I'd claim this as proof of "god"...
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2010, 07:04:25 am »
This story is an example of a Christian who believes in a popular misled doctrine as their model for Christian faith.

Well I'm an atheist, not sure if you caught the title with the key phrase "if I were a Christian"...anyway, I was a Christian for 5 years and this type of example is DEFINITELY something a believer would give for god watching out for them.  Not sure what snotty sect you belong to, but what I described is completely typical of the average Christian.   :thumbsup:
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Re: If I were a Christian, I'd claim this as proof of "god"...
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2010, 12:34:05 am »
It is called good Karma. :D

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Re: If I were a Christian, I'd claim this as proof of "god"...
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2010, 08:47:03 am »
So my husband just came home and tells me that when he was getting out of his training class, he saw an ambulance and police cars in the parking lot.  At first he thought it might be for some poor guy who got caught running in the heat (there is a track nearby), but as he walked closer, he saw a black Mustang smashed into a line of cars, the same line of cars in which he parked in!  The ambulance and police car were blocking the sight of our car, so he was pretty worried before he got to it.  Alas, there were 3 smashed cars in a row, with the white car parked next to ours visibly moved but not touching ours.  So all of the cars in that line got wrecked, but not ours, which was parked on the end!

Hubby says he had two choices of parking spots in that line when he initially parked, and decided to go with the one on the end to get a better angle backing out.  The other spot would have been the very first one, a.k.a. the one that received the most damage!  He also says that a week ago he was thinking about what would happen if a car were to barrel through the parking lot, how many cars would it smash?  That's not him being psychic, he just always things about weird things like that.  :P

** Moral of the story: be an atheist, because then your car won't get smashed! **

Haha, j/k.  I feel really bad for the other 3 people.

REAL moral of the story: this is not proof for god, but is totally an example of something a Christian might use for their "god proof".  These types of experiences happen to everyone!!

P.S.  Stop driving fast in your fancy cars, people.  Ya see what happens??

I am sure immature believers would take this as a "god proof," but the linkage is arbitary in most cases. On the other hand, if God is involved in human affairs, it may be nothing more than the common grace of God that allowed your husband to think what he thought in order to grant him an extra measure of grace that day! Simplistic thinking by anyone creates shallow understanding.  It is kind of like some atheists who think that if God exists, He is obligated to do something on behalf of all those who have been unjustly harmed. Perhpas there is a bigger picture and that those atheists are so biased by their own criteria they can't venture into other possibilities.

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Re: If I were a Christian, I'd claim this as proof of "god"...
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2010, 08:50:50 am »
This story is an example of a Christian who believes in a popular misled doctrine as their model for Christian faith.

Well I'm an atheist, not sure if you caught the title with the key phrase "if I were a Christian"...anyway, I was a Christian for 5 years and this type of example is DEFINITELY something a believer would give for god watching out for them.  Not sure what snotty sect you belong to, but what I described is completely typical of the average Christian.   :thumbsup:

I think you must have been a "mental" Christian, for if one truly encounters the living God, they will never be the same. Unfortunately, this mental ascent Christianity isn't Christianity at all. It is a mere ascribing to some basic tenants of faith. Real Christians have real encounters that change their life so dramatically that they cannot deny the existence of God. They are those who hear the very voice of God and see the power of God in their lives on a regular basis. It saddens me that you never encountered the living God - He is wonderful! Those who have based their christianity upon mental ascent, they are easily swayed by another "mental" philosophy. Unfortunately, this type of believer is what popular christianity produces - one who only THINKS they were a Christian!
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Re: If I were a Christian, I'd claim this as proof of "god"...
« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2010, 10:09:05 am »
there is definitely a difference between going through the motions of christianity and experiencing a truth that moves lives and breathes in you.  where nothing is logical and everything is possible.


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Re: If I were a Christian, I'd claim this as proof of "god"...
« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2010, 10:28:20 am »
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where nothing is logical and everything is possible.

LSD is one helluva drug.

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Re: If I were a Christian, I'd claim this as proof of "god"...
« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2010, 11:06:30 am »
Real Christians have real encounters that change their life so dramatically that they cannot deny the existence of God.

Give me some examples from your own life then (it's funny, most of the time when an atheist asks a believer this, they suddenly get very quiet).  I think you'll be highly interested to know that when I first became a believer I was in the hospital at 16 due to anorexia; shortly after point-blank deciding to give god a try (I was a non-believer before), I got a gooey, prideful feeling and a few days later contracted a virus where I had to be put on isolation.  I saw angels, the Grim Reaper, God, and heard God during this time, which really made me believe it was God looking out for me and 100% prompted me to start diligently going to church when I got out.  Is that dramatic and real enough enough for ya?

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one who only THINKS they were a Christian!

Quit being snotty.  If you sincerely believe(d) in the god of the Bible, you are/were a Christian.  People who taunt this just don't understand how anyone could ever leave it.
"It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
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