HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL ABOUT SAME SEX MARRIGE?? ICE BREAKER

[teflonfanatic]

I'm going to be the closed-minded one here and say that I don't feel it should happen.

I laughed out loud.

more money for the synagogues of satan

I'm sure if all the people in those places of worship knew what I knew about your beliefs, they would have a lot of nasty things to say to you as well. Seriously, you just cursed on them over an assumption.

You can spout all the crap you want to but you cannot take from a person what is rightfully theirs, and that is freedom choice/free will. That is all

Zat ist Korrekt.

He is currently HIV+,

:-(

and completely content with his sexuallity, now that he's not being judged.

:-)

If he had ever decided to get married, I would have been right behind him cheering him on, because there is nothing wrong with it!!

:-D

If they knew about the JW's beliefs they will find that it follows Babylon's hallmarks the least!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Babylon teaches namely, triad of gods, image worship, immortality of the soul, position of the priesthood I.E. The clergy is better then the layman, astrology, divination, magic and sorcery.

@Queenofnines: Thank you for acknowledging that i'm close-minded to the world 0_0. I do some research on my own however and i'm not close-minded to what professors tell you 0_0.

[Falconer02]

I have had gay friends but what does that have anything to do with anything? This is my opinion - it still will never look right to me.

Here's a more specific question pertaining to this-- You mention you had gay friends...what does that mean? And if there was a vote in america to legalize gay marriages, would you vote for or against it despite your opinion?

If they knew about the JW's beliefs they will find that it follows Babylon's hallmarks the least!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Babylon teaches namely, triad of gods, image worship, immortality of the soul, position of the priesthood

So what? You people are 0-9 now with predicting the end of the world. You're furthest from perfect considering the other reigions on this planet. Let's look at the logic that goes on at your circuit assemblies so people here can understand the legitimacy of your churches arguments--

"I went to the Sunday Circuit Assembly and came back all riled up with ALL the nonsense.The Sunday program was on ''safeguarding your spirituality''. ''It is better to remain single and not marry. That gives you more time for studying and the preaching work. Also,you may go to a congregation where the need is greater.'' The speaker talked about how the h1n1 virus has killed thousands around the world. There have been 6 major earthquakes in the last year. He said,''Isn't wonderful that these things have happened as the ''end'' draws near''? ( How sad to wish death on people in Hati and people who died from the virus) Everyone clapped except me.

There were 2 sisters who got up and had a dramatization about a sister not wanting to go to College. I will paraphrase as best as I can.
High School Counselor: ''Have a seat Karen and I will show you all the College applications I have for you.''
Sister: ''Thank you for all the work you have done.''
Counselor: '' I have an application from Harvard,one from Michigan University,and a couple from the East Coast.''
Sister: '' I have done alot of thinking and decided not to go to any College."
Counselor: ''Karen,you have a 4.0 grade average and scored very high on the A.C.T. and you would have no problem getting into any of these schools."
Sister: '' As you know,I'm a Jehovah's Witness and we believe that we are near the ''end times.''  I decided that I will go into the preaching work part time and maybe go to a 2 year school."
Counselor: ''You will probably get into these schools at almost no cost because of your 4.0 average and high A.C.T. scores and have a good career the rest of your life.These are great schools and will prepare you to land a good job.''
Sister: ''This world is passing by and may not be here any longer. I decided to enter the ministry work and Jehovah God will provide for me in the future."
 
Everyone applauded except me."

If you want the source to this, I will post it...but you're close-minded to the world, so I'm sure you'll fuss about it illogically either way.

Thank you for acknowledging that i'm close-minded to the world 0_0.

That is the worst problem within humanity. Scary.

Edit: Sorry if it looks like I'm digging way too deep into this, people. I just can't stand this type of anti-present/reality logic.

[teflonfanatic]

@Falconor: Who said anything about the JW's being perfect I said that they venerate Babylon's hallmarks the least. If your looking for perfection your not going to find it in this world. You completely took the gift of singleness talk out of context, it was about embracing your singleness if you CHOOSE NOT TO GET MARRIED, not forced or even told you should not get married so you can focus on more goals, it's always the choice of the individual. As for the h1n1 thing they weren't clapping cause millions died due to the gov making another virus and killed x amount of people. They were clapping because it shows the times we are living in. The school presentation was about standing up for spiritual goals. You may look at it as close-minded but none of the apostles did extensive schooling they learned enough to have secular jobs and that's it, they spent their time learning about god's purpose. You can throw all the verbal stones you want but it's still the same written word.  True the JW's seem close-minded but compared to say FLDS and Amish they're very open-minded for such zealous people.

[Falconer02]

Who said anything about the JW's being perfect I said that they venerate Babylon's hallmarks the least.

You're trying to put your beliefs in a spotlight but it makes your reasoning skills seem very lacking. So what if they do these things? It's not like your church is good pals with the word "change"...except when it comes to dates of when the end is coming.

You completely took the gift of singleness talk out of context, it was about embracing your singleness if you CHOOSE NOT TO GET MARRIED

Well I didn't write it originally so honestly I wouldn't know the talk word-for-word.
 

They were clapping because it shows the times we are living in.

It's still very inappropriate. Especially since these things aren't proof of the end coming.

The school presentation was about standing up for spiritual goals.

It's not too hard to decypher that the individual could have actually done a lot more good going to Harvard than going door-to-door at 8 AM and bugging people for the rest of her life. Sure she can do whatever she would want to do, but my whole point here is the reasonings make no sense. Call it 'worldly' all you want-- you and your church are doing nothing more than holding people back from what they're truly capable of. Be it through education or sexual preference. I have seen this all too many times across the spectrum.

[tzs]

I don't agree with Gay Marriage because it doesn't look right to me. I was raised and sheltered to think man and women get together. It is what I was brought up to think is normal, so it is. As far as all the legal stuff... I am not a cop and I have no authority enforcing the laws. I mind my own business.

If one day it is legal...then it is, case closed. Good day.

Do you even have any gay friends, just curious.

I have had gay friends but what does that have anything to do with anything? This is my opinion - it still will never look right to me.

The reason I ask marieelissa is because eventually your gay friends-if you have them now, will ask you if you agree with them being together, then what- are you goig to tell them the truth about what you think, or will you pass the buck???

[JHNSONLEEANN]

It is not our business.  If they love one another, who cares?

[chimere78]

Some people don't understand that sometimes being gay isn't a choice.

Uh, being gay is never a choice.  Unless you're a woman who has become fed up with men and sworn them off and has decided to dabble in her own gender, then maybe it's a choice.  lol

LoL thats what I said....Being gay isn't a choice. and ur right about if a women becomes fed up with men and switches to women...because i have a friend who has

[teflonfanatic]

Who said anything about the JW's being perfect I said that they venerate Babylon's hallmarks the least.

You're trying to put your beliefs in a spotlight but it makes your reasoning skills seem very lacking. So what if they do these things? It's not like your church is good pals with the word "change"...except when it comes to dates of when the end is coming.

You completely took the gift of singleness talk out of context, it was about embracing your singleness if you CHOOSE NOT TO GET MARRIED

Well I didn't write it originally so honestly I wouldn't know the talk word-for-word.
 

They were clapping because it shows the times we are living in.

It's still very inappropriate. Especially since these things aren't proof of the end coming.

The school presentation was about standing up for spiritual goals.

It's not too hard to decypher that the individual could have actually done a lot more good going to Harvard than going door-to-door at 8 AM and bugging people for the rest of her life. Sure she can do whatever she would want to do, but my whole point here is the reasonings make no sense. Call it 'worldly' all you want-- you and your church are doing nothing more than holding people back from what they're truly capable of. Be it through education or sexual preference. I have seen this all too many times across the spectrum.

First quote: That's why your struggling in the first place you don't pay attention to the talks and instead you either don't get the whole talk or you find a way to twist it so you can bash the organization.

Second quote: It is proof whether you think it's unreasonable or not, yes it's happened before and yes these things are not new, but whether you admit it or not, it's getting more intense as broadcast are showing a ton of 7.0 earthquakes. Technology or not, they have no control of earthquakes being 7+.

Third quote: This was far more then just regular door-to-door it was a talk about choosing school or Bethel.  I've been to a Bethel branch that place rocks. You get free room&board and you get an allowance and free food 3 times a day, not to mention has free haircuts, place to workout, basketball court etc. It's definitely a good choice to pick Bethel over college, college lasts 4 to 8 years  Bethel on the other hand you can stay for as long as you want.  You can do Bethel and do online college classes at the same time. The JW's are doing their best to encourage people to seek first the kingdom(Matthew 6:33), as for any stones that you may throw at the organization for stuff in the past, it doesn't change the fact that they still venerate babylon's hallmarks the least out of all religions. In case you wanted me to admit that the organization is imperfect here it is. THE ORGANIZATION IS IMPERFECT there I said it are you happy?  I can assure you that people will have a hard time following the command at Hebrews 9:23-25 without venerating Babylon's hallmarks if they went somewhere else.  I'm pretty sure God hates organization that continually practice what God hates(Babylon), whereas the JW's will humbly make corrections in their doctrine instead of keeping the same doctrine.

[Falconer02]

That's why your struggling in the first place you don't pay attention to the talks and instead you either don't get the whole talk or you find a way to twist it so you can bash the organization.

I twist things? You're a JW. That's all they do with their logic. You've proved it countless times in other threads.

Second quote: It is proof whether you think it's unreasonable or not, yes it's happened before and yes these things are not new, but whether you admit it or not, it's getting more intense as broadcast are showing a ton of 7.0 earthquakes. Technology or not, they have no control of earthquakes being 7+.

No, it's furthest from reality. It's pseudoscience. Earthquakes happen. Some years we have massive and catastrophic ones and sometimes we have mild ones. The only reason they may seem to be higher is because we're setting up seismographs in places where there weren't any before. Case in point-- it's random. Besides, JW's are the last to trust when it comes to end-of-the-world predictions. Anyone with an ounce of knowledge of them knows this.
"Take for example the Jehovah's Witnesses. No one group of people in history has ever predicted the end of the world so often and been wrong so often. As of 1984, they are 0 of 9. And in 1995, they took a step further and announced that Armageddon had been postponed until further notice; thank God for that!"
http://www.elcaminouniononline.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticle&ustory_id=f63a9ba3-ed24-4234-81f0-4c4f1b09bddd
"Stay alive till '75!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toVQh0mlolQ
This video gets really sad and creepy near the middle. Everyone should watch.

It's definitely a good choice to pick Bethel over college, college lasts 4 to 8 years  Bethel on the other hand you can stay for as long as you want.

And not learn anything to benefit mankind in the longrun. This girl has a chance to get a degree and correct harsh problems in the world. And she chose the free haircut place. Despite your completely irrational and delusional beliefs of the end coming, it's obvious to any other person that this example was created by someone with a completely lazy mind. Seriously...Bethel over HARVARD!? Idiocracy in the making.

I'm pretty sure God hates organization that continually practice what God hates(Babylon), whereas the JW's will humbly make corrections in their doctrine instead of keeping the same doctrine

I'm glad you know who god hates. What a great super guy he is. Everyone-- read this quote. People are always complaining about the bible being rewritten in the past to suit the groups beliefs. This guy just admitted they do it in the present. This is why you can't trust the JW belief system and their teachings-- they don't like homosexuality because of their ample incompetence and irrational reasoning. Let's get back on track.

[teflonfanatic]

First Quote:Exactly what did I twist? You take a portion of my post and then bash the easiest section you can find often out of context.

Second Quote: Science can tell you how but they won't tell you why, as for getting some dates wrong, God's word says
Proverbs 4:18 - "But the path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established."  

As for getting some dates wrong at least they're trying to follow the prophecies and following the bible's moral code, instead of watering it down and killing people in the name of religion. You also forgot to read this apparently READ WHAT'S IN QUOTES AGAIN "as for any stones that you may throw at the organization for stuff in the past, it doesn't change the fact that they still venerate Babylon's hallmarks the least out of all religions."

Third Quote: One man can't fix the whole world, if Jesus couldn't do it(granted he only had three years) How can man do it? You also didn't look up Mathew 6:33 so here it is
33  “Keep on, then, seeking first the kingdom and his righteousness, and all these [other] things will be added to YOU.  

You can't go to college for 4 to 8 years and keep seeking first the kingdom you can't. Just like you can't slave for 2 masters.

Now let me quote what I said again since you obviously read over it.  "You get free room&board and you get an allowance and free food 3 times a day, not to mention has free haircuts, place to workout, basketball court etc." MUCH MUCH MORE then just haircuts. "You can do Bethel and do online college classes at the same time." Your were already helping people know about God's kingdom and it's blessings and you can still get a degree, btw a lot of people are having a hard time getting a job even if they have master degrees!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Did I mention this lasts for more then a decade!!!!!!

Fourth Quote: I'm glad you know who god hates. What a great super guy he is. Everyone-- read this quote. People are always complaining about the bible being rewritten in the past to suit the groups beliefs. This guy just admitted they do it in the present. This is why you can't trust the JW belief system and their teachings-- they don't like homosexuality because of their ample incompetence and irrational reasoning. Let's get back on track.

Ok, one where did you get rewrite the bible? I said doctrine/teaching not rewrite the bible. They don't like homosexuality cause the creator doesn't like it not cause of incompetence or irrational reasoning, but I guess to you a 2,000 page book that survived for over 6 millenniums is irrational to you. This is what i'm talking about with twisting things.

As for what God hates only if the person who begins to learn about God continues to do what God hates will receive judgment when the time comes.

I will admit though if they put another end of the world date I will join you, until then though i'm sticking to the religion that's least Babylonian A.K.A Jehovah's Witnesses.

[Falconer02]

As for getting some dates wrong at least they're trying to follow the prophecies and following the bible's moral code, instead of watering it down and killing people in the name of religion.

You've scooped up a lot more than just religion here. But I can't trust your reasoning in anything because of your naivity and misinformation on participating in the world. You can't break off from the book to get an aerial viewpoint.

"as for any stones that you may throw at the organization for stuff in the past, it doesn't change the fact that they still venerate Babylon's hallmarks the least out of all religions."

No one cares. This is an appeal to tradition AND consequence of a belief. Both are major logical fallacies. Homosexuals can be good people. That's what counts here.

One man can't fix the whole world, if Jesus couldn't do it(granted he only had three years) How can man do it?

Ah! But you've twisted my words once more! I said this girl could help problems in the world. Not FIX the ENTIRE world. One person can make a difference on this globe be it small or large. I'd wager a lot that going to one of the best damned schools on this planet can immensily help push that into reality.

a lot of people are having a hard time getting a job even if they have master degrees

Red herring.

Ok, one where did you get rewrite the bible? I said doctrine/teaching not rewrite the bible.

Your NWT was translated by your own scholars. You say it's the most accurate. It's not. JW's aren't even considered christian because of this.
Edit: You can argue and say this isn't true, but it is. This is like saying you're a pink bunny. Everyone but yourself knows your not.

They don't like homosexuality cause the creator doesn't like it not cause of incompetence or irrational reasoning,

That's irrational reasoning right there.

but I guess to you a 2,000 page book that survived for over 6 millenniums is irrational to you.

All of the stories weren't assembled into a book till the 4th century. And there have been a few others that have lasted a bit longer-- Hindus and Buddhists got you there. Besides, real and fake stories passing through time is not irrational.

As for what God hates only if the person who beings to learn about God continues to do what God hates will receive judgment when the time comes.

You just gave out gold. Any person can play the naive card and get away with it with that reasoning.
GOD:"You're a homosexual! I despise you! Look! It says so in my book!"
PERSON: "But I never read your book. Never interested me much."
GOD: "Really? Oh! You're okay then. Move along."

[BeccaGoga]

Everyone is entitled to their beliefs. Personally either way doesn't bother me, but if a couple wants to get married then they should be able to no matter what their sexuality, gender, or beliefs are.

[teflonfanatic]

As for getting some dates wrong at least they're trying to follow the prophecies and following the bible's moral code, instead of watering it down and killing people in the name of religion.

You've scooped up a lot more than just religion here. But I can't trust your reasoning in anything because of your naivity and misinformation on participating in the world. You can't break off from the book to get an aerial viewpoint.

"as for any stones that you may throw at the organization for stuff in the past, it doesn't change the fact that they still venerate Babylon's hallmarks the least out of all religions."

No one cares. This is an appeal to tradition AND consequence of a belief. Both are major logical fallacies. Homosexuals can be good people. That's what counts here.

One man can't fix the whole world, if Jesus couldn't do it(granted he only had three years) How can man do it?

Ah! But you've twisted my words once more! I said this girl could help problems in the world. Not FIX the ENTIRE world. One person can make a difference on this globe be it small or large. I'd wager a lot that going to one of the best damned schools on this planet can immensily help push that into reality.

a lot of people are having a hard time getting a job even if they have master degrees

Red herring.

Ok, one where did you get rewrite the bible? I said doctrine/teaching not rewrite the bible.

Your NWT was translated by your own scholars. You say it's the most accurate. It's not. JW's aren't even considered christian because of this.
Edit: You can argue and say this isn't true, but it is. This is like saying you're a pink bunny. Everyone but yourself knows your not.

They don't like homosexuality cause the creator doesn't like it not cause of incompetence or irrational reasoning,

That's irrational reasoning right there.

but I guess to you a 2,000 page book that survived for over 6 millenniums is irrational to you.

All of the stories weren't assembled into a book till the 4th century. And there have been a few others that have lasted a bit longer-- Hindus and Buddhists got you there. Besides, real and fake stories passing through time is not irrational.

As for what God hates only if the person who beings to learn about God continues to do what God hates will receive judgment when the time comes.

You just gave out gold. Any person can play the naive card and get away with it with that reasoning.
GOD:"You're a homosexual! I despise you! Look! It says so in my book!"
PERSON: "But I never read your book. Never interested me much."
GOD: "Really? Oh! You're okay then. Move along."

First Quote: My reasonings come from the greatest law book in the world but maybe your right, maybe I should just cut you off and let you see for yourself that trusting nobles(humans in high political positions) is not the way

Psalms 146:3 reads 3  Do not put YOUR trust in nobles, Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs.

Second Quote: If Satan can turn himself into an angel of light and his ministers into ministers of righteousness why can't people who practice or live a similar lifestyle not be able to be good?

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 reads 14  And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light. 15  It is therefore nothing great if his ministers also keep transforming themselves into ministers of righteousness. But their end shall be according to their works.

Third Quote: Ok you got me there sorry for stretching your comment, Yes she can help a little, and then she will realize that she can't help everyone and then turn to God.

Fourth Quote:

Fifth Quote: Oh wow, and the KJ was translated based on church politics(it's own people) and they put a lot of Latin where it shouldn't be such as the Latin word crux(cross) where the Greek word Stauros(stake) is supposed to be. Most bibles keep the Latin word in even though the Greek word is Stauros is there because of the archaelogical evidence that "supposedly" is against this and because it's been passed down.  If anyone reading this has a bible read from  Acts 5:30 and then ask yourself this do you believe that the bible can contradict itself? If you say there's errors then you didn't learn about how the NWT version came about, I know the history, I know why, the what, the when, where and some of who translated it. The so-called errors are coming from people who only read a couple of translations(I looked at a few translations and context) and prefer to keep God's name of out the bible even though it appears almost 7,000 times in the Hebrew-Aramaic scriptures and quoted from in the Christian Greek scriptures over 200 times, not to mention an abbreviation for hallelujah is praise Yahweh/Jehovah(some bibles have Hallelujah in the christian Greek scriptures!!!!) This also disproves God's name not being in the christian Greek scriptures putting the nail in the coffin.

Sixth Quote: Not when you put on the new personality and get rid of the old. I feel you will in time, it seems you left cause of apostasy or you thought you were missing out on something, I also left once, I know what your going though.

Seventh Quote:  I studied both of those religions and none of them bought anyone close to the True God, in Buddhism your mind is God, and the Hindu's didn't know who to worship and even had a TRIUNE GOD one of the marks of Babylon the great and obviously founder of christendom's trinity.

Eighth Quote:  Nice try read the second part, and if continues to do what God hates. God knows how to read hearts and he'll know if your being naive, you'll still get judged.  
For some unfortunate people who didn't get a chance to learn about God's word, God will give them a second chance (lived in Antarctica or something) he'll give them a second chance according to this scripture(Acts 24:15).
ONCE YOU KNOW THE TRUTH YOU KNOW IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. People who go to church ask your pastor or whatever(ignorant when it comes to church clergy   )  how can unrighteous people get resurrected out of a place there supposed to get tortured forever and how do unrighteous people go to heaven?

[Rastov]

^ YHWH's name isn't to be spoken. Only written.
And regardless, you're calling Him by the wrong name. It's not "Jah-hO-vah". It's "Yah-way".

How do you take the fourth commandment anyway? The one that most Christians would say "goddammit" falls under?

[Falconer02]

Absolute proof there's massive problems in High Contol Groups, people. Read in on this. I'll quote him later.