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Re: HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL ABOUT SAME SEX MARRIGE?? ICE BREAKER
« Reply #75 on: May 14, 2010, 10:43:15 am »
Men will continue to have sex with men and get married to eachother! Women will continue to marry women and have sex with eachother!
Some of us don't really have a problem with either -I know I don't-

Hey- you know what I mean- Huh??-Yeah?!??!- YEAH?!?!?!?

Wink, Wink, Nudge, Nudge-SAY NO MORE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

It doesn't matter how deep you claim your religious beliefs run to date-Sorry, its never gonna stop. At the least, we should worry as taxpayers for flipping the bill for the divorce. You know what? We can't even  really worry about that! Straight couples get divorced everyday, just as much as gay couples do, its a constant!

So yes, Sex is good, and ummmm- theres nothing wrong with same sex unions...hmmm what else- uhmmmm- If you don't like it -TOOO BAD!!
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Re: HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL ABOUT SAME SEX MARRIGE?? ICE BREAKER
« Reply #76 on: May 14, 2010, 12:08:20 pm »
What if God's only motivation for deeming homosexuality a sin was because He wanted people to procreate?  Obviously back in the day, if you had a same sex partner you couldn't have children.  Now science has technically eliminated that obstacle.  If that was His motivation, would He still care? 

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« Reply #77 on: May 14, 2010, 01:38:31 pm »
What if God's only motivation for deeming homosexuality a sin was because He wanted people to procreate?  Obviously back in the day, if you had a same sex partner you couldn't have children.  Now science has technically eliminated that obstacle.  If that was His motivation, would He still care? 

God doesn't change his mind, though (his word is forever!).  Although there are plenty of examples in the Bible where he has.  I'm confused.

I also think god isn't too concerned if we procreate, as he's wiped us out on a couple of occasions...
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Re: HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL ABOUT SAME SEX MARRIGE?? ICE BREAKER
« Reply #78 on: May 14, 2010, 02:47:20 pm »
^ YHWH's name isn't to be spoken. Only written.
And regardless, you're calling Him by the wrong name. It's not "Jah-hO-vah". It's "Yah-way".

How do you take the fourth commandment anyway? The one that most Christians would say "goddammit" falls under?

Wrong. What you just stated is Pharisee belief(apostate Judaism), also every time you say hallelujah your contradicting yourself because it means praise Yahweh!! As for the name Jehovah it's the English version for the divine name, just like Jesus is the English version for Yeshua/Iesous.  It's funny that Christendom puts Jesus on par with his father and yet they use his name like they know how it was pronounced back then, yet they call evil on anyone who uses his father's name(my aunt has her own church and although she knows his name she can't use it or she'll lose her church.) As for fourth commandment? Is that the you must not take up his name in a worthless way? Worthless is blaspheming against his name not using it in a respectful way. If you view it that way then Jesus and his apostles just broke the fourth commandment since they quoted from the Hebrew-Aramaic scriptures.

Matthew 15:6 reads 6  he must not honor his father at all.’ And so YOU  have made the word of God invalid because of YOUR  tradition.

Revelation 2:8 reads 8  “And to the angel of the congregation in Smyr´na write: These are the things that he says, ‘the First and the Last,’ who became dead and came to life [again], 9  ‘I know your tribulation and poverty—but you are rich—and the blasphemy by those who say they themselves are Jews, and yet they are not but are a synagogue of Satan.

Was it used by Jesus and his disciples?

John 17:26 reads 26  And I have made your name known to them and will make it known, in order that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.”

Was that just figurative for his father's will?

Matthew 4:4 reads 4  But in reply he said: “It is written, ‘Man must live, not on bread alone, but on every utterance coming forth through Jehovah’s mouth.’”

This is Jesus replying back to Satan with a quote from Deuteronomy 8:3 where his father's name appears, also LORD all caps in KJ and other bibles is a replacement name for the father not Jesus, look at Psalms 83:18 in an old KJ bible and then look at some modern KJ bibles, notice the replacement!!!!!!!!!!! if Jesus overlooked that one word he who also have made the name of god invalid, do you believe he can do such a thing?

Matthew 4:7 reads 7  Jesus said to him: “Again it is written, ‘You must not put Jehovah your God to the test.’”

Jesus again quotes scripture where his father's name appears(Deuteronomy 6:16)

Matthew 22:73 reads  37  He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’

Jesus again quotes scripture where his father's name appears(Deuteronomy 6:5)

Matthew 22:44 reads 44  ‘Jehovah said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies beneath your feet”’?

Jesus quotes scripture with his father's name AGAIN, this time he's talking to pharisees and he quotes from Psalms 110:1

Luke 4:16-21 quotes Isaiah 61:1-2
 
This is Jesus reading an Isaiah scroll in a synagogue and saying that he is the prophesied messiah. There's no question that Jesus used his father's name from these scriptures and as followers of Jesus likewise his apostles would do the same, and my denom definitely follows the way the apostles imitated Jesus minus some miracles of course.

@Falconor02: Your starting to rely on name-calling? Come on man be a little more "rational"  :thumbsup:

@Tzs: It's really not even a matter of belief to me anymore, I know my denom is the least Babylonian which speaks volumes. I looked and researched other religions as well such as Taoism, Shinto, Hinduism, confuciusism(oh whatever you call it) and Buddhism. I'm going to do Judaism next, I found that compared to all the other religions mine is the least Babylonian. The 6 traits of Babylon are, triad of gods(TRINITY), immortality of the soul(life after death), Image worship(idolatry), hellfire(eternal torment), Position of priesthood(huge division between common man and clergy). Practice of astrology, divination, magic, and sorcery.


TRUE monotheistic religion must not have any of these traits in order to be the true religion.

As for people getting divorced all the time, it's because they don't take the marriage seriously and divorce for whatever reason, which is also adultery

Matthew 5:32 reads 32  However, I say to YOU that everyone divorcing his wife, except on account of fornication, makes her a subject for adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Same sex relationships are CONTRARY TO NATURE in god's eyes and he created nature 0_0.

Romans 1:24-27 reads 24  Therefore God, in keeping with the desires of their hearts, gave them up to uncleanness, that their bodies might be dishonored among them, 25  even those who exchanged the truth of God for the lie and venerated and rendered sacred service to the creation rather than the One who created, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26  That is why God gave them up to disgraceful sexual appetites, for both their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature; 27  and likewise even the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males, working what is obscene and receiving in themselves the full recompense, which was due for their error.

If anyone reading this feels like it stabs a little i'm sorry.

@FuzzyCottonsocks: The "be fruitful" command was never repeated to Christians. He would still care because it's still contrary to nature in his eyes and science is now going to far in messing with nature.

@avril lavigne: Why you got to go and make things complicated(it's a joke please don't take this comment seriously).  Anyway yes he wiped out people who opposed his people. He did this for 2 reasons.

1: To protect the Davidic line(the line Jesus comes though)
2. To get rid of "garbage" (Babylonian religion is contrary to nature in his eyes and thus trash)


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Re: HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL ABOUT SAME SEX MARRIGE?? ICE BREAKER
« Reply #79 on: May 14, 2010, 03:40:28 pm »
I am for same sex marriage. Everyone has the right to choose hisher partner and it shouldn't matter if the person is of the same sex or not.

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Re: HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL ABOUT SAME SEX MARRIGE?? ICE BREAKER
« Reply #80 on: May 14, 2010, 03:59:07 pm »
What if God's only motivation for deeming homosexuality a sin was because He wanted people to procreate?  Obviously back in the day, if you had a same sex partner you couldn't have children.  Now science has technically eliminated that obstacle.  If that was His motivation, would He still care? 

God doesn't change his mind, though (his word is forever!).  Although there are plenty of examples in the Bible where he has.  I'm confused.

I also think god isn't too concerned if we procreate, as he's wiped us out on a couple of occasions...

He has wiped people out, but He saved Noah and family.  It seems like He wanted us to continue living.

@teflon:  I agree science is messing with many things it shouldn't.  However I have trouble seeing why homosexuality is worse than any of the other millions of sins people commit on a daily basis.  It seems to me that many people, Christians in particular, have honed in on this like heat seeking missiles. Why not pick on murderers or adulterers?  This is always the hot button issue that comes up with many Christians I have spoken to.

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Re: HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL ABOUT SAME SEX MARRIGE?? ICE BREAKER
« Reply #81 on: May 14, 2010, 04:42:34 pm »
@avril lavigne: Why you got to go and make things complicated(it's a joke please don't take this comment seriously).

ahahaha I love it!

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Anyway yes he wiped out people who opposed his people. He did this for 2 reasons.

1: To protect the Davidic line(the line Jesus comes though)
2. To get rid of "garbage" (Babylonian religion is contrary to nature in his eyes and thus trash)

Hmm.  Am I the only one who thinks that's pretty psycho of god to get pissed over his own creation and have everyone drown?  I'm just sayin'.
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Re: HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL ABOUT SAME SEX MARRIGE?? ICE BREAKER
« Reply #82 on: May 14, 2010, 05:08:17 pm »
God seems very judgmental.  I was brought up not to pass judgment ;D

And yea, why would God give man free will if he didn't want man to use that gift?  Food for thought

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Re: HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL ABOUT SAME SEX MARRIGE?? ICE BREAKER
« Reply #83 on: May 14, 2010, 05:57:34 pm »
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Am I the only one who thinks that's pretty psycho of god to get pissed over his own creation and have everyone drown?

Given his history, this is completely normal.

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My reasonings come from the greatest law book in the world but maybe your right, maybe I should just cut you off and let you see for yourself that trusting nobles(humans in high political positions) is not the way

I would not say 'greatest'. It's far too broad of a statement for someone who stays out of the world. I would say "come from a huge law book like many in the world. Some are legit and moral...some are old, outdated, and ridiculous." As far as trusting nobles, again, you wouldn't be practicing your faith if it weren't for some trust in nobles at one time or another. I have an extended family who's very politically active and they do extremely well for themselves. This just means that you can only use the "DONT TRUST NOBLES" card when it does not work-- then you can point fingers, scream, and do your little advertisement just like all of the other JWs.

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If Satan can turn himself into an angel of light---

Gahahahahahaaaaa am I REALLY arguing with a guy who believes this crap? Oh wow. Sounds like Satan belongs in some kids book like Animorphs.

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Yes she can help a little, and then she will realize that she can't help everyone and then turn to God.

A christian god would be a unnecessary crutch and burden in this situation.

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Oh wow, and the KJ was translated based on church politics

And your bible was based on a nice fellow who incorporated pyramidologic speculation into the bible. You can't play the moral highground here. Christianity as a whole is flawed in any rational light you bring on it.

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Not when you put on the new personality and get rid of the old. I feel you will in time, it seems you left cause of apostasy or you thought you were missing out on something, I also left once, I know what your going though.

So you're saying we should stick with irrational beliefs because a god you've never met said so. Got it. Oh and I thought I was missing out on something? If you left and came back, you never really left. That much I can assure you of.

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I studied both of those religions and none of them bought anyone close to the True God, in Buddhism your mind is God, and the Hindu's didn't know who to worship and even had a TRIUNE GOD one of the marks of Babylon the great and obviously founder of christendom's trinity.

The logical fallacy meter just broke from stress. You're pulling a massive "CHRISTIANITY = ONLY RIGHT WAY" close-minder here. I'm certain that every single religion listed here could do the exact same thing and find massive flaws in yours. I see muslims doing it on youtube all the time! It's so childish.

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Nice try read the second part, and if continues to do what God hates. God knows how to read hearts and he'll know if your being naive, you'll still get judged.  For some unfortunate people who didn't get a chance to learn about God's word, God will give them a second chance (lived in Antarctica or something) he'll give them a second chance according to this scripture(Acts 24:15).
ONCE YOU KNOW THE TRUTH YOU KNOW IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'd insert a facepalm picture here but it'd make this post too long. You know your bible quotes. That much is fer sher. But unfortunately that's all you seem to know-- you're trapped in a faulty philosophy while badmouthing others beliefs that you've never lived or considered.
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Re: HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL ABOUT SAME SEX MARRIGE?? ICE BREAKER
« Reply #84 on: May 14, 2010, 06:18:43 pm »
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Same sex relationships are CONTRARY TO NATURE

Absolutely wrong.

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--in god's eyes and he created nature 0_0.

Oh. Of course. Let's take out reality and replace it with some personality!

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And yea, why would God give man free will if he didn't want man to use that gift?

This is one of the basic major-fallacies with many religions in general. For instance I'm sure Teflon will have 50 scriptural passages to quote for you. Of course without answering it realisitically-- not showing good reasoning as to why it's so important in todays world except when it pertains to his beliefs.
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Re: HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL ABOUT SAME SEX MARRIGE?? ICE BREAKER
« Reply #85 on: May 15, 2010, 06:02:24 am »
What do you mean turn himself into an angel of light? Didn't Satan start out as an angel of light?

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« Reply #86 on: May 15, 2010, 09:17:43 am »
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Same sex relationships are CONTRARY TO NATURE

Absolutely wrong.

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--in god's eyes and he created nature 0_0.

Oh. Of course. Let's take out reality and replace it with some personality!

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And yea, why would God give man free will if he didn't want man to use that gift?

This is one of the basic major-fallacies with many religions in general. For instance I'm sure Teflon will have 50 scriptural passages to quote for you. Of course without answering it realisitically-- not showing good reasoning as to why it's so important in todays world except when it pertains to his beliefs.

First quote: Well you just went against what his word specifically said.

Second quote: Gave people free will to decide for themselves if they want life or not, we obviously choose to die.

The logical fallacy meter just broke from stress. You're pulling a massive "CHRISTIANITY = ONLY RIGHT WAY" close-minder here. I'm certain that every single religion listed here could do the exact same thing and find massive flaws in yours. I see muslims doing it on youtube all the time! It's so childish.

Again if you know the "hallmarks of Babylon" you can easily tell why almost all religions are false but since you don't know or care to know you think i'm doing it out of opinion. I read up on both those religions I know what they teach and both at one point used idols. I know Hinduism believes in reincarnation which is an after-life belief and another one of Babylon the great's traits.

I did all I can and showed probably close to 50 scriptures I don't know what else I can do to show so-called "rationality". "Throws in the towel again" but you will probably pester all over FC so I guess it won't be long until this happens again, hopefully you will open your heart about the bible instead of looking at it as a fairytale even though there's clear archaeological evidence and clear prophecies, they are real period, self-fulfilling, coincidental or otherwise.

P.S. The NWT was made almost 100 after C.T.R died he had no input on the NWT at all.

@Fuzzycottonsocks: Yes Satan started out as an angel of light, but he didn't stand fast in the truth(as you can see this isn't a JW cult line Jesus DOES talk about being in "the truth")

John 8:44 reads 44  YOU are from YOUR  father the Devil, and YOU wish to do the desires of YOUR father. That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of [the lie].

Stand fast means to uphold or strongly keep your position spiritual or otherwise, Jesus evidently said he didn't stand fast because he was at one point in "the truth". He's also a spirit being so he had to be with God and his angels at one point.

Since he left and became the father of the lie and obviously the original apostate, he is now an arch demon who leads some other demons who were angels.

Revelation 12:9 reads 9  So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. 

There is strong evidence this occurred in the beginning of the 20th century such as the world's first global wars and the incarceration being much higher then it was in the past(basing my statistics on America's incarceration rate).

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« Reply #87 on: May 15, 2010, 01:23:53 pm »
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Well you just went against what his word specifically said.

Did he tell you this personally or did you just read it from some old book? If he did tell you, pix plz.

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Gave people free will to decide for themselves if they want life or not, we obviously choose to die.

This is the problem with your argumenting. You're allowing for the impossible to justify rational things. You rely on cop-outs and handicaps. It's like bumper-bowling next to professional bowlers. Unless you can remove those obvious problems and throw in a real problem with homosexuality, your opinion cannot count.

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I know Hinduism believes in reincarnation which is an after-life belief and another one of Babylon the great's traits.

Prove to me reincarnation does not happen. Without your handicap of course. I'm sure you will find plenty of proof for reincarnation just as you would with creationist nonsense.

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hopefully you will open your heart about the bible instead of looking at it as a fairytale even though there's clear archaeological evidence and clear prophecies, they are real period, self-fulfilling, coincidental or otherwise.

I would never open my heart to the bible. Christianity has been falsified through it being a fairytale, myth, legend, fable-- it encompasses all of these definitions. There is evidence of certain things existing, but prophecies? No. We've been through this before.

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There is strong evidence this occurred in the beginning of the 20th century such as the world's first global wars and the incarceration being much higher then it was in the past(basing my statistics on America's incarceration rate).

Bull. If god wanted people to believe this without skepticism, he would have had it written with an explanation. Names. Dates. Motivations. Lives. Numbers. Instead you've got unclear "examples" that make Nostradamus look like the guy from The Dead Zone.

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Does this count as a referral link? If so, you're breaking the forum rules.
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« Reply #88 on: May 16, 2010, 11:21:02 am »
Just going to comment on the last post for obvious reasons.

I'm pretty sure the rules are against referral links to other programs or things you can make money off of.

Edit: Do not post links to other sites
This means no referral links whatsoever

I guess this can fall under free and religious links, everyone broke this rule though lol, it says DO NOT POST LINKS TO OTHER SITES. So no referral links or normal links to other sites 0_0.
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« Reply #89 on: May 16, 2010, 12:38:29 pm »
I guess this can fall under free and religious links, everyone broke this rule though lol, it says DO NOT POST LINKS TO OTHER SITES. So no referral links or normal links to other sites 0_0.

No, we are allowed to post links that aide in the discussion.  Just nothing that would make $$$ for the poster personally.
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