Jesus God or a god: The christian debate to end all christian debates read rules

[GenghisKhan44]

Guys, guys...

...This is the debate BETWEEN Christians to end all debates BETWEEN Christians. Get it?

[foreverinlove05]

ok...but since you're all christians, why would you be debating about something that you should all know anyway?

[jcribb16]

Guys, guys...

...This is the debate BETWEEN Christians to end all debates BETWEEN Christians. Get it?

That's just it, though, this will not end Christian/Christian debates either, since Christians have beliefs that differ, such as the trinity, salvation itself, etc.  I have a hard time wanting to debate in one such as this while having to following the rules imposed on (such as this particular one.)

[jcribb16]

ok...but since you're all christians, why would you be debating about something that you should all know anyway?

You bring up a very good point here.  However, there are certain issues that even Christians disagree with other Christians about: the trinity (God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit), "missing" books of the Bible (some feel that these books weren't God-ordained and that's why they weren't included in our Bible), some religious sects pray to saints and to Mary (while others don't believe in that), and many more. I still agree with you, however, that this particular debate won't ever end Christian debates, whether with like Christians and/or non-christians.

[teflonfanatic]

I will offer my first proof.
 

42And the Pharisees being gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42 saying: What think you of Christ? Whose son is he? They say to him: David's.
43 He says to them: How then does David in spirit call him Lord, saying:
44 AThe Lord said to my Lord: Sit on my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool? A
45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
46 And no man was able to answer him a word: neither dared any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

A: Jesus was quoting Psalm 110:1. In the original Hebrew, " Jahweh said to my Adonai". Adonai only refers to God. This is an example of Jesus making the claim He was God's Son.

I have other proofs if that isn't enough.

Genghis Khan I think this debate is over as Jesus is God party is not responding i'll add that Jesus has partners or companions that are ANGELS however.

Hebrews 1:7-9 Reads 7 Also, with reference to the angels he says: “And he makes his angels spirits, and his public servants a flame of fire.” 8 But with reference to the Son: “God is your throne forever and ever, and [the] scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness. 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with [the] oil of exultation more than your partners.”

Jesus partners are the Angels according to the context of these verses!!!!!! I'm well aware that some translations have God saying the O God to Jesus but even then Jesus one verse later is shown to have a God above him(your God). I truly believe that "the most high" doesn't have anyone higher then him.

[Huwee]

please people.please.

[teflonfanatic]

please people.please.

DON'T SPAM MY THREAD TWO MORE TIMES AN I'M APPEALING TO THE ADMIN 

[manicamarketing]

It is hard to defend faith as it is a gift from God, but here I ago...

I argue that Jesus is Lord for three reasons. 

1) Jesus was pre-announced as the Messiah in multiple old-testament books and prophecies
2) Jesus performed miracles which attributed to His divine nature
3) The founder of no other religion is as necessary for that religion as Christ is for Christianity.  Granted these different persons (Buddha, Confucious, Moses, Muhammad, etc.) are necessary for the founding of the religion but not for the religion to carry on.  Buddism doesn't demand you believe in Buddha, but that you become an enlightened one.  Confucionism doesn't demand you have a relationship with him, but that you follow ethical precepts that lead to peace with your ancestors.  Moses didn't demand men believe in him, but they put trust in God. Islam demands faith in God, but not necessarily faith in Muhammad. 

However, when you come to Christ, here Christianity demands a personal, intimate bond. We have to be one with Jesus.  One with Him in a way in which we cannot in any way claim to be Christian unless we reflect the person, the mind, the will, the heart, and the humanity of Christ.

The above was inspired by Fulton J. Sheen.

God love you.     

[gaylasue]

John 10:30 ~ "I and my Father are one."

[HuffmanFamilyof4]

the BIBLE is mans word written for god it's a fiction book about what it may have been like in that time of history

[jcribb16]

the BIBLE is mans word written for god it's a fiction book about what it may have been like in that time of history

I respectfully disagree.  The Bible is God's Word written by men God chose to deliver His Word on paper (probably more like scrolls back then).  What happened is an accurate recording of history as it happened.  I would love to be able to go to Israel and other countries and see the remains of buildings, archaeology digs, and places marked that back the history of His Word. 

[Falconer02]

respectfully disagree.  The Bible is God's Word written by men God chose to deliver His Word on paper (probably more like scrolls back then).  What happened is an accurate recording of history as it happened.  I would love to be able to go to Israel and other countries and see the remains of buildings, archaeology digs, and places marked that back the history of His Word.

"It truly boggles my mind that a big percentage of people in the year 2001 in the U.S. of A., one of, if not the most socially advanced country in the world, believe in a goofy book that was written by people that lived thousands of years ago. It really just completely freaks me out when I think about it. They lived in a time when the world was flat, and the earth was the center of the universe. They wrote a book, said it was the word of God, and two thousand years later people are still buying their bull.

That is one incredible human accomplishment.

The fact that a book filled with stories too dumb to make it into an episode of Xena Princess Warrior continues to be used as the guide for human behavior after all this time is truly mind boggling.

We as a society, if we are going to accept the concepts of organized religion realize that we must put aside normal, natural, human skepticism and questioning in order for ANY of it to make ANY sense whatsoever. Now how did they cover their *bleep* on that one? How do they get you to NOT think, and NOT question? They get you with one simple word: FAITH.

Now if that ain’t a hoot and a half, I don’t know what is. They actually got rational, intelligent people to put aside THINKING and LOGIC just by saying you have to have faith.

And silly as it is, people bought it, and continue to buy it, hook line and sinker. The fact that these stories take in SO many people is what’s really disturbing to me. Simple, dumb, ridiculous stories that only a little kid should be able to believe.

Like Noah and the Ark, for instance.

Now, please… with any knowledge of science whatsoever and a grade school grasp of the food chain, how the hell could you buy into that one? If you put 2 of each animal on a boat for 40 days, all you would have at the end is a couple stuffed crocodiles and a few nervous hippos and rhinos. Animals EAT other animals.

And even if they did put off eating for 40 days, what the hell are they going to eat when they get off the boat?

It’s such a simple puzzle that it’s actually quite confusing to me that people still believe it. It was designed to trick the people of 2,000 years ago, and yet today with all of our science and wisdom it’s still accepted by a frightening number of people.

Want even dumber? How about Adam and Eve.

Two people were created by God, these two people screwed, and their kids screwed each other, and that’s where we came from. Life was supposed to be perfect, pure and holy, but then that Eve chick went and ate the fruit that God said not to eat, so now we’re screwed up forever.

Now, if that isn’t the most retarded thing I’ve ever heard in all my life, I really don’t know what is. Yet, there’s many intelligent people with important jobs and kids, that take that story as a fact."

- Joe Rogan

[teflonfanatic]

respectfully disagree.  The Bible is God's Word written by men God chose to deliver His Word on paper (probably more like scrolls back then).  What happened is an accurate recording of history as it happened.  I would love to be able to go to Israel and other countries and see the remains of buildings, archaeology digs, and places marked that back the history of His Word.

"It truly boggles my mind that a big percentage of people in the year 2001 in the U.S. of A., one of, if not the most socially advanced country in the world, believe in a goofy book that was written by people that lived thousands of years ago. It really just completely freaks me out when I think about it. They lived in a time when the world was flat, and the earth was the center of the universe. They wrote a book, said it was the word of God, and two thousand years later people are still buying their bull.

That is one incredible human accomplishment.

The fact that a book filled with stories too dumb to make it into an episode of Xena Princess Warrior continues to be used as the guide for human behavior after all this time is truly mind boggling.

We as a society, if we are going to accept the concepts of organized religion realize that we must put aside normal, natural, human skepticism and questioning in order for ANY of it to make ANY sense whatsoever. Now how did they cover their *bleep* on that one? How do they get you to NOT think, and NOT question? They get you with one simple word: FAITH.

Now if that ain’t a hoot and a half, I don’t know what is. They actually got rational, intelligent people to put aside THINKING and LOGIC just by saying you have to have faith.

And silly as it is, people bought it, and continue to buy it, hook line and sinker. The fact that these stories take in SO many people is what’s really disturbing to me. Simple, dumb, ridiculous stories that only a little kid should be able to believe.

Like Noah and the Ark, for instance.

Now, please… with any knowledge of science whatsoever and a grade school grasp of the food chain, how the hell could you buy into that one? If you put 2 of each animal on a boat for 40 days, all you would have at the end is a couple stuffed crocodiles and a few nervous hippos and rhinos. Animals EAT other animals.

And even if they did put off eating for 40 days, what the hell are they going to eat when they get off the boat?

It’s such a simple puzzle that it’s actually quite confusing to me that people still believe it. It was designed to trick the people of 2,000 years ago, and yet today with all of our science and wisdom it’s still accepted by a frightening number of people.

Want even dumber? How about Adam and Eve.

Two people were created by God, these two people screwed, and their kids screwed each other, and that’s where we came from. Life was supposed to be perfect, pure and holy, but then that Eve chick went and ate the fruit that God said not to eat, so now we’re screwed up forever.

Now, if that isn’t the most retarded thing I’ve ever heard in all my life, I really don’t know what is. Yet, there’s many intelligent people with important jobs and kids, that take that story as a fact."

- Joe Rogan

It freaks me out at how much hatred atheists have for their ancestors history. They hate their ancestors so much that they regard their history as uneducated and fake.

Anyway read the verses before and after John 10:30 gaylasue they're one for caring for the sheep

 25Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father’s name, these testify of Me. 26“But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. 27“My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will *bleep* them out of My hand. 29“My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to *bleep* them out of the Father’s hand. 30“I and the Father are one.”

      31The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him. 32Jesus answered them, “I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?” 33The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.” 34Jesus answered them, “Has it not been written in your Law, ‘I SAID, YOU ARE GODS’? 35“If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), 36do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? 37“If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me;( John 10:25-37 KJV)

@manicamarketing: No one is denying Jesus is lord where just denying he's the God of gods and most high and almighty.

 17 for Jehovah your God -- He is God of the gods, and Lord of the lords; God, the great, the mighty, and the fearful; who accepteth not persons, nor taketh a bribe;(Deuteronomy 10:17 Young's literal)

18 And they know that Thou -- (Thy name is Jehovah -- by Thyself,) Art the Most High over all the earth!(Psalms 83:18 Young's literal)

With all due respect you'll never find that Jesus is called God of gods or most high in the bible.

[Falconer02]

It freaks me out at how much hatred atheists have for their ancestors history. They hate their ancestors so much that they regard their history as uneducated and fake.

Religious myths are very much like Chuck Norris movies. If you have half a brain and think for a moment about the plausibility of the plot, you’ll never be able to enjoy it. Adam and Eve and Noah's Ark aren't history. They're ancient myths. Everything I quoted from you is massively wrong on so many levels. Educated people know this. If you respond to this, please take consideration on both the ludicrous stories and how reality actually works.

[prtee33]