I do NOT believe in god

[laceybriglia]

liljp617,

Scientific theories proven wrong:

•Flat Earth hypothesis. Although not a truly scientific theory, it was proved wrong by many scientific observations over a period of thousands of years, with evidence compiling and culminating in Apollo 11's images of a spherical Earth.
•Phlogiston theory. Created to explain the processes of oxidation - corrosion and combustion - it was disproved by discovery of the fact that combustion is the reaction of fuel with oxygen and that corrosion is caused by oxidation of metals and the formation of compounds.
•Geocentric theory of the solar system. Disproved by studies through astronomy, as well as the use of physics to predict occurrences that geocentrism could not. Whether Earth is really the centre of the universe remains to be seen, since we don't know exactly where the universe ends.
•The classical elemental theory (that all substance is made of earth, air, fire and water). Disproved by the discovery of subatomic particles and the modern elements, as we know them today.
•Aristotle's dynamic motion. It was an attempt at explaining momentum and why certain substances behave in certain ways; it was linked to the concept of the classical elements. Disproved by Galileo.
•Ether as a carrier of light waves and radio waves. Disproved by study of the dual particle-wave nature of light, which means it does not in fact require a medium of any kind, and the simple complete lack of any evidence for such a substance.(Disproved by the Michelson-Morley experiment.)

Those are few of the many proven wrong.

You're annoying and I'm REALLY sick of you calling me ignorant. So please just stop responding to my posts. Thank you.
It's also kinda strange how you didn't respond to the post I made directed to you.. But you responded to all the posts that were directed towards someone else.

[laceybriglia]

If you know God exists then why fight these petty battles?

I stand up for what I believe in.

[Falconer02]

I stand up for what I believe in.

By being a naive *bleep*? C'mon now. Weren't you originally mad that the OP was being so negative? You're being no different at all.

Your defense is going to be "And yeah God creating the world makes so much more sense hahahahhahaha....." But I guess you just don't realize how illogical your little theories are.

It's like they think they are helping others by convincing other people to not be Christian.. kinda strange. That's what I said at first. Lol but these people just don't get it. I mean seriously what harm is religion doing anyway?

I'm sorry but I don't feel like I need to go through my old reports and tell some stranger the sources I used 2 years ago just so they can believe I have knowledge of a theory. It's not worth it.

Scientists seriously need to just stop making illogical guesses to how this world was made. God created it. End of story.

liljp617, Wow. Anyone with half a brain could figure out the theories you stated. I mean are you serious? You're being f-ing rude. Calling me ignorant just because I believe something different than you? That's just pathetic. You don't insult people because they have different beliefs than you.

This is you're opinion you do not think God is true.  What if god is real? Won't you be pissed and resentful that you have been believeing a lie?
That is how I see it.

You're annoying and I'm REALLY sick of you calling me ignorant. So please just stop responding to my posts. Thank you.

Granted I've probably gone a little over the edge a little in the past, but nobody is doing it constantly like you. Learn to argue peacefully, Christian.

[liljp617]

Thank you for mentioning them (although I'm aware they didn't come from your knowledge and also aware that you only copied/pasted the ones that fit your argument...but that's okay I guess).  All I wanted was for you to put out some specifics rather than speak in generalities.

As you can see, I have never said scientific theories cannot be disproven.  In fact, the entire goal of science is to create experiments that attempt to disprove a theory.  All I have said is that scientific theories, especially those brought about by modern science, are much more than baseless guesses by some crackpot guy in a lab coat.  They're not random fantasies and imaginative stories.  A guess would be the definition of a hypothesis, not a theory.  A hypothesis is an educated guess that is not backed up by any evidence or observation; a scientific theory is supported by evidence, rationality, and observation.  Vastly different.

I was hoping you would bring up some that didn't predate modern science, but I guess I got my hopes up.  It's pretty illogical to compare a theory postulated in the 1600s on the basis of alchemy and non-scientific work to a modern theory such as the Big Bang, which is heavily supported by modern mathematics, physics, observation, and experimentation.

It's also kinda strange how you didn't respond to the post I made directed to you.. But you responded to all the posts that were directed towards someone else.

Didn't see it.

[liljp617]

liljp617,
Wow. Anyone with half a brain could figure out the theories you stated. I mean are you serious? Is the question... Don't you think how this world came to be may be a tad bit harder to figure out then gravity? Did I ever say every theory was wrong? OF COURSE NOT! A scientific fact and a scientific theory are two completely different things. Many scientists do not think the big bang theory is how earth came to be. You're being f-ing rude. Calling me ignorant just because I believe something different than you? That's just pathetic. You don't insult people because they have different beliefs than you.

The point is that things such as gravity, plate tectonics, and microorganisms (germs) causing illness are still scientific theories.  They're officially labeled scientific theories to this day.  I was merely pointing out that you probably don't have an issue with believing those theories, even though they're still under the label of "theory."  And you probably don't have an issue with them because they're backed by tons of research, experimentation, logic, observation, and rationality...just as the BBT is, for example.

I never implied you believed every theory to be wrong.  It just seems like you've been going on about how the Big Bang is "just a theory," and thus it isn't true.  You have not noted any specifics of the BBT that may be incorrect; all you've done in every post I've read so far is cut it down because it's labeled a "theory."  If your basis for saying the BBT is wrong is that it's "just a theory," then why don't have you the same position on all scientific proposals under the label of theory?

How do you decide which theories are probably correct and which ones are probably wrong?  Are the ones that interfere with your beliefs inherently wrong or is there some other reason you haven't stated as to why the BBT is likely wrong in your opinion?

There aren't very many physicists who doubt the BBT.  They may disagree over some of the specifics, but the general theory remains intact.

I am not calling you ignorant for your beliefs.  I am calling you ignorant because you don't seem to know the difference between a hypothesis and theory.  I am calling you ignorant because your posts strongly imply your experience in scientific fields is extremely limited.  I am calling you ignorant because your logic is contradictory and you just keep going with it even after being told why it's nonsense by multiple people.  I don't care about your religious beliefs -- they're very irrelevant to me on this topic.

I did not insult you; you would know if I insulted you.  Being called ignorant when you're rambling on about things you don't seem too educated in isn't an insult, it's an observation.  Now, if I called you stupid, it would be a different story.  Stupid means I'm saying you're incapable of understanding; ignorant means you simply haven't been properly educated on a specific subject (either because you weren't awarded the opportunity or chose not to be).  

Example:  I don't know how to change the oil in my car.  A mechanic does.  I'm ignorant of how to change the oil.  That's not an insult.  It means I don't know the procedure or have the knowledge.

I don't think you're stupid.  I think you could easily go read a few books on the BBT and understand the evidence supporting it if you chose to.  I do think you're closed-minded and ignorant of the topic.  Much too ignorant to flat-out state the BBT is simply wrong.  I don't think you know anything  about the specifics of the theory and the research backing it up.  I think you want to discuss it, you just don't have the desire to obtain the knowledge required to discuss it.  I think that makes you willfully ignorant.  I think willful ignorance is a stupid choice.

[laceybriglia]

I am not calling you ignorant for your beliefs.  I am calling you ignorant because you don't seem to know the difference between a hypothesis and theory.  

First off yes I do know the difference between a hypothesis and a theory I'm not an idiot.
Second, I know all about the big bang theory I made straight A's in science. I understand the concept of the big bang theory and I understand why and how they came up with this theory. All I'm saying is unlike other theories they cannot prove it to be a fact. There is no way they can test it. They cannot cause another huge ginormous explosion in space and see if it creates another planet... That is how this theory is different. I think you should go back and reread my posts. Because I definitely have been providing facts to why the big bang theory goes against rules of science but I guess you just didn't see those posts either...

[laceybriglia]

I think everyone will be interested in watching this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zigL_UmgAl4&feature=related
There is 15 parts. (You may want to start with part 2 only because part one is just a dragged on introduction of the debatores and what they are debating.) Anyway it is a full debate between a Christian and an Atheist. After you finish watching the first video look on the related videos to find the next part. I think this man can explain my beliefs far better than I ever could.

Please watch this debate all the way through. I know it's long but it makes all the points to why Christianity is true.
82% of the 632 non-christians voted that the case for Christianity was stronger.
47 became believers in God.
No Christians became Atheists.

[queenofnines]

What if god is real? Won't you be pissed and resentful that you have been believeing a lie?

I guess it means nothing to you that I was a "true" believer of god for a full 5 years.  It doesn't stir your curiosity how one of your fellow, faithful Christians was able to confidently leave the fold?  I was shocked upon discovering there wasn't a god, but I was backed with enough evidence, research, and common sense that I personally could not deny the facts on a godless existence even if I wanted to.

Only one of us can be right, Lacey...as a Christian I was right there with ya, being all ignorant and saying I "know" there's a god.  It's very, very easy to stay in the Christian mindset if you so desperately want what it stands for to be true.  All you have to do is not extensively investigate the lofty claims you subscribe to.  Don't bother having doubts, asking questions, doing research, or being open-minded to what is scientifically observable or logically feasible.  Ignore any voices of reason and instead look to people in your own "club" to back up what you believe in.  If we really want something to be true, we can easily be blind to anything and everything that threatens it.

The key component to success in discovering the real truth is that you have to approach the situation like an eager student who is prepared and humble enough to admit that everything they believed might have been wrong.  You have to have the ability to look at the facts, evidence, and research objectively and honestly, and you have to have the courage to consult sources that are outside of your current beliefs.  If you're not the type of person that is able to be aware of themselves; if you can't analyze your brain and behavior and realize when you're wrong or what "you're really trying to do" by holding steadfast to certain thoughts and feelings, then leaving Christianity will never work for you.

[queenofnines]

I'm not an idiot.
Second, I know all about the big bang theory I made straight A's in science. I understand the concept of the big bang theory and I understand why and how they came up with this theory. All I'm saying is unlike other theories they cannot prove it to be a fact. There is no way they can test it. They cannot cause another huge ginormous explosion in space and see if it creates another planet...

You seem to be very defensive; I'm wondering why you care non-theists consider zealots to be idiots?  Are you less secure in your beliefs than you've claimed?

Getting straight As in science does not necessarily have anything to do with the ability to understand the Big Bang.  I'm curious as to what makes something a "fact" for you and why you don't apply the traditional definitions to your own beliefs.

You are very ignorant for saying they have no way to "test it".  Please tell me what Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation is, Lacey.

[laceybriglia]

I guess it means nothing to you that I was a "true" believer of god for a full 5 years.  It doesn't stir your curiosity how one of your fellow, faithful Christians was able to confidently leave the fold? 

No not at all. Because at one time i was right there with you... That is what you guys don't understand I've doubted god so many times in my life. But I've come to realize the only way this world is here is because of god. What I've come to realize is what one scientist says is possible another says cannot be possible. Like you say that Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation is proof for the big bang theory.. I guess you don't know of the many scientists that have debunked that.
http://hubpages.com/hub/cmb
Anyway I know that god is true. There is also scientific proof that goes way back to the bible days..
The oldest tree found in the world is roughly 4400 years old. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_trees The biggest  desert in the world, found in Africa, grows at a certain number of feet per year. If it has been millions of years since it started to grow, or even fifty thousand years, it would have consumed the entire world!! And that's not all folks, they found trees growing sideways straight up and upside down through the layers of earth which scientists say is not possible. They put dates on the layers of the earth and if a single tree were to be there in the way it is there, then there would have to be some sort of world wide flood. Which points back to what? the bible.
I guess no one is going to watch the debate that I gave a link too. I watched the whole thing which obviously includes the atheists viewpoint as well... If you want to understand even a little of what I believe and the scientific facts backed up by it then you should watch it.

[queenofnines]

No not at all. Because at one time i was right there with you... That is what you guys don't understand I've doubted god so many times in my life. I guess you don't know of the many scientists that have debunked that.
The oldest tree found in the world is roughly 4400 years old.  The biggest  desert in the world, found in Africa, grows at a certain number of feet per year. If it has been millions of years since it started to grow, or even fifty thousand years, it would have consumed the entire world!! then there would have to be some sort of world wide flood. Which points back to what? the bible.

Hmm, by your first sentence you seem to believe that I have just gotten off track a little, that I'm just temporarily "lost" thanks to "the devil".  Don't say you can understand being in my shoes because you cannot; you were never anywhere close to being away from your beliefs in away that makes you realize which side is truly correct. 

And I know everyone goes around saying, "Blah, blah, everyone thinks they are right" well logically, one side is, you just might not know you're on the wrong side due to emotional attachments, ignorance, and lack of information.  The Christian god is great because he is defined enough that he can be disproven and argued against. 

My shift from one side to the other is permanent; once you learn something you assumed was right is actually wrong, there's no going back to it.  It's plain as day once you can finally open your eyes and get away from Christianity what the real truth is.  You cannot understand my position until you can look back on your old Christian self like I can.  I was very much like you, saying the same things you are.  It's so easy to not think about the most obvious things as a Christian...

Finding one article that suits your viewpoint written by some person on Hubpages (real credible!) does not debunk it.  Likewise, finding a tree that is 4,400 years old proves nothing!  There were many stories of floods; you think that because scientists may not know where certain trees came from yet means that they should believe a story of how god murdered everyone except for a guy and his family and god told them to stuff all of the millions of species of animals (including dinosaurs!) on a boat?  And you say the Big Bang doesn't make sense, lolz.

[laceybriglia]

Finding one article that suits your viewpoint written by some person on Hubpages (real credible!) does not debunk it.  Likewise, finding a tree that is 4,400 years old proves nothing!  There were many stories of floods; you think that because scientists may not know where certain trees came from yet means that they should believe a story of how god murdered everyone except for a guy and his family and god told them to stuff all of the millions of species of animals (including dinosaurs!) on a boat?  And you say the Big Bang doesn't make sense, lolz.

It wasn't just "some person." He had facts and he was very knowlegdable about this situation. He stated facts and he knew what he was talking about..
 But if that's not good enough for you I don't know what is...
I could find hundreds of other articles? Do you want them as well? You just believe what you want. Okay if the world is like billions of years old then why is the oldest tree about 4,400 years old? Tell me please. Oh and what about the desert I see you completely ignored that. I guess you still are refusing to watch the debate... Whatever.
Also I love how you and lilj continue to call me ignorant just because I have different beliefs than you.. I mean seriously shut up. I know about the big bang theory and for your information I am completely knowledgable of science. I'm not f-ing ignorant.

[laceybriglia]

By being a naive *bleep*? C'mon now. Weren't you originally mad that the OP was being so negative? You're being no different at all.





Lol how am I being negative? NOTHING you posted that I said had anything negative in them.. I am arguing peacefully thank you very much
Lol you're hilarious. You are just flat out making things up. YOU need to learn to argue peacefully because you are the one who called me a naive *bleep*... Grow up.. Seriously. Lol I just can't get over this! It's too funny. LOL! Maybe you should reread the "evidence" You gave where I was being so negative and not arguing peacefully because seriously that is so ridiculous.

[Falconer02]

Maybe you should reread the "evidence" You gave where I was being so negative and not arguing peacefully because seriously that is so ridiculous. NOTHING you posted that I said had anything negative in them.. I am arguing peacefully thank you very much

You're trolling now. I'd suggest rereading your posts. Let's just look at two of the things I quoted-

I mean seriously what harm is religion doing anyway?

I know about the big bang theory and for your information I am completely knowledgable of science. I'm not f-ing ignorant.

Naivety.

Wow. Anyone with half a brain could figure out the theories you stated. I mean are you serious? You're being f-ing rude.

You said this to liljp-- one of the most intelligent and non-hating people on this forum. He called you ignorant. Everyone is ignorant in one form or another. It's not a derragatory (sp?) term if you're using it to point out something fallible that someone is standing behind. Despite your mindset, you are being extremely rude and sounding very insecure through each post you make. I'm sure most people reading this will agree. But, of course, you don't care. I will say you are hurting your side of the argument by constantly saying your peice and folding your arms and looking the other way. So calm down and don't get so personal.

YOU need to learn to argue peacefully because you are the one who called me a naive *bleep*

If it means anything to you, I'll call myself a *bleep* for pointing that out.

I guess no one is going to watch the debate that I gave a link too. I watched the whole thing which obviously includes the atheists viewpoint as well... If you want to understand even a little of what I believe and the scientific facts backed up by it then you should watch it.

I'd really like to but it just seems so long to sit here on my uncomfortable chair for that long. Could you do me a favor and point me to the best parts of both arguments in those vids (example- "watch part 5 at 7:21")? I watched the 2nd part and part of the 3rd-- I found the Christian philosophy in the beginning of the 3rd part only scraping the surface of what they were arguing for/against.

[laceybriglia]

Wow. Anyone with half a brain could figure out the theories you stated. I mean are you serious? You're being f-ing rude.

You said this to liljp-- one of the most intelligent and non-hating people on this forum. He called you ignorant. Everyone is ignorant in one form or another. It's not a derragatory (sp?) term if you're using it to point out something fallible that someone is standing behind. Despite your mindset, you are being extremely rude and sounding very insecure through each post you make. I'm sure most people reading this will agree. But, of course, you don't care. I will say you are hurting your side of the argument by constantly saying your peice and folding your arms and looking the other way. So calm down and don't get so personal.





I guess you forgot to add in why I even said he was being f-ing rude. Lol you should really read what liljp was saying to me if you think what I was saying to him was negative or mean. I was only stating my beliefs and opinions then he gets an attitude with me and treats me like I'm a moron just for having different beliefs than him. I'm sorry but that is not very non-hating. And for your info I already have reread all of my posts. I was never negative or mean unless someone was being rude to me and I still wasn't half as rude as people have been being to me. There are a lot of points in that debate and if you want to see my point you would watch the whole thing yourself. I'm not going to waste my time explaining it to you just because you don't feel like watching the entire debate.