I do NOT believe in god

[walksalone11]

Sheryl: again, you must have missed my statements that I wasn't aware that it was a Catholic Bible.  I did not pull the verses from my own Bible (which is KJ and sitting on the bookshelf); I got them online because it's easier than having to page through and type things out.  Regardless, you're ignoring the fact that it says the same horrible things in any freaking version of the Bible!!  Enough said.

Also...why are you so sure Catholics "wrong", anyway?  I wasn't a Catholic, but it seems non-denominational Christianity is the white supremacist, "America is the greatest country" brand of religion. 

All denominations are equally crazy...

Actually, through some past research I found that most white supremacist(the uber in your face most vocal of them anyway)are subscribers to "British Isrealism" also known as Christian Identity. Case in point would be organizations and groups such as "Aryan Nations" "The Company" most contemporary skin head groups, many members of the KKK among many others.

However I do whole heartedly believe that Christianity teaches, encourages and in fact demands its own type of supremacy.

[queenofnines]

Queen,
Were the scientists there when the big bang supposedly happened?
Wow they made aHUGE guess to how the world was created. They made it up off the top of their heads with a little backup of what they call evidence. Why do you think it is called the big bang theory because that's all it is. It's a theory (A theory that makes no sense.) And people like you are like "It's science it's true. Science is always right." No it's not. There have been millions of scientific theories that have been proven wrong.. Scientists seriously need to just stop making illogical guesses to how this world was made. God created it. End of story.

No, the scientists were not there but neither were you when the Bible was written.  Where is your proof that the people who wrote the Bible - people you've never met, let alone weren't born in the same millennium as you - were "prophets of god"?  Why do you trust texts from thousands of years ago (written by people who thought the earth was flat and had none of the modern improvements we have today) on how to live your life TODAY?  Oh right, because it makes you feel good and you WANT it to be true.  You wouldn't live your life based on two centuries back when it comes to germs now that we have the germ THEORY of disease, now, would you?  Of course not...that's silly.  It sure is convenient how you pick and choose when to trust science.

Science is not always right.  But you seem to have forgotten what the Scientific Method is.  I'd much rather put my "faith" in something that learns from its mistakes, is constantly discovering things and improving my life, than religion that settles on one impossible thing and ignores all evidence to the contrary.

[queenofnines]

Going to church will not make up for the horrible things they do when they aren't at church.

But Lacey...you are not saved by works but through faith!  It's okay to be a horrible person, as long as you really, weally believe in Jesus!

[queenofnines]

I mean seriously what harm is religion doing anyway?

You obviously didn't pay attention in history class or watch the news if you think this is true.

[walksalone11]

liljp617,
Wow. Anyone with half a brain could figure out the theories you stated. I mean are you serious? Is the question... Don't you think how this world came to be may be a tad bit harder to figure out then gravity? Did I ever say every theory was wrong? OF COURSE NOT! A scientific fact and a scientific theory are two completely different things. Many scientists do not think the big bang theory is how earth came to be. You're being f-ing rude. Calling me ignorant just because I believe something different than you? That's just pathetic. You don't insult people because they have different beliefs than you.

Regardless of what morals are voiced it is simply the fact of the matter that the obvious accept means to deal with people who are different or simply think different is to insult, ridicule, dis-associate, bad-jacket, slander, stalk, invade privacy, all the way up to falsely accuse, frame and sentence to extremely unreasonable imprisonment and sentences of execution by the justice system in America.

[laceybriglia]

I meant what harm is me believing in God? Why does it bother you guys so much that I believe in God? Christianity is doing no harm. In fact if a person is a Christian they typically live a better, nicer life. They have something to believe in and it makes them feel good. So why do you care? Are you jealous that Christians have something to believe in and you don't?  It's just wierd that you all are so interested in a religion you have absolutely no belief in. And for your information no you will not go to heaven just because you believe in Jesus. I'm also sick of every one of you acting like I'm an idiot just because I believe in something different than you. Just accept it. I believe something different than you. So what. Get over it. I you can debate why you think something different... But saying things in a sarcastic tone and trying to make me feel dumb is going overboard. I believe in God because I can tell he is there... I mean seriously I can just feel that he is there. He has answered so many of my prayers as well. I have lived miracles that I know would'nt be possible without a God. Go ahead and laugh because I know your thinking I'm a crazy, stupid, idiotic, Christian. I don't care what you think. Because I think the same about you when you explain to me how you think the world got here. You think my beliefs are ridiculous and I think yours are. I don't pick and choose science either.... I believe the things they have actually proven. I don't believe their little theories on how they think the world got here. I can make up a theory too. That does not make it true. Also if it were so true then why do so many scientists not believe the big bang theory? They say it is impossible.

[walksalone11]

As I have stated before, I believe there is only one Creator, God if you will, I call them Creator.
Regardless of what faith system you subscribe to, I believe everyone that believes in a Creator are believing in the same entity.
That is no issue, at least to me.
The issue comes from some of the other beliefs that people of many different faiths have. Christianity just so happens to be the religion that has had a definite negative impact in my life and peoples, so is the one I am personally most vocal about.
However, any system that teaches and promotes the idea that any person, race, group etc etc is in any way better over-all than any others is dspicable, hateful, supremacist and often deadly, there for I can not be accepting of it.

Personally, I don't think anyone is stupid that decides on what they believe by thing things through logically and believing whats is most logical to themselves.
The stupid ones, in my opinion are the ones who say they believe "A" just because that is the "In" thing to do in their own circles, and never examines said belief but lazily takes someone else's word for it....how the hell do you know you believe in it.
Believing in God in and of itself does not make anyone a Christian.
If you are going to proclaim Christianity then it would be very hypocritical to not own all of the baggage that comes from labeling yourself as such.
Not speaking to anyone in particular but to the membership as a whole.....

[laceybriglia]

As I have stated before, I believe there is only one Creator, God if you will, I call them Creator.

Why do you believe in a creator? I mean I know why I do.. and people asked me when I said I did. So I want your opinion why do you believe in a creator? It seems like no one is going to attack you for not believeing in the big bang theory lol you're lucky.

[walksalone11]

As I have stated before, I believe there is only one Creator, God if you will, I call them Creator.

Why do you believe in a creator? I mean I know why I do.. and people asked me when I said I did. So I want your opinion why do you believe in a creator? It seems like no one is going to attack you for not believeing in the big bang theory lol you're lucky.

Well as a rule I don't get to deep into my beliefs and traditions in any public IE uncontrolled environment or forum as it were.
I will just say that Spirituality is very much a part of my culture from birth and daily through out many of our lives. I say many because there are just as many or perhaps more who have lost this part of the culture through many different circumstances, some self imposed...some forced upon us.
For those of us who have either been able to hold onto these ways or found their way back to them, we have a constant personal relationship with not only Creator but just as importantly with our Ancestors as well.
When we pray it depends on what we are praying about, who it is we are praying/talking to.
Many of us believe that our true needs are known already so we do not see a general need in praying for our selves.
Also most of those who have come to be known as traditionalist(in culture not necessarily Spirituality only) have a more community first mind set rather than a self first one, therefor, usually when we pray we are praying for others or perhaps the people as a whole.......perhaps prayers for the earth or our 4 legged relations.
I guess other then the daily personal interaction with Creator and the Ancestors, there is going to be a very strong faith as well.
I have, in my life, wavered on my path and I have also seen things happen through Ceremony that has revived my faith to my satisfaction.
I don't feel the need of proving any thing nor having broad range acceptance
I can very easily settle into an "I do me and you do you" existence, so far as our existences do not interfere in a negative way with the others existence.

I will be the first to admit that often times I am not a very effective speaker and don't always articulate my thoughts in any comprehensive manner but I hope this answers your question......to a point anyway.

[queenofnines]

I meant what harm is me believing in God? Why does it bother you guys so much that I believe in God? Christianity is doing no harm. In fact if a person is a Christian they typically live a better, nicer life. They have something to believe in and it makes them feel good. So why do you care? Are you jealous that Christians have something to believe in and you don't?  He has answered so many of my prayers as well. I have lived miracles that I know would'nt be possible without a God. I don't pick and choose science either.... I believe the things they have actually proven. Also if it were so true then why do so many scientists not believe the big bang theory? They say it is impossible.

I don't know you in the real world, so I can't make a judgment on if you believing in god is doing any harm.  I can't observe your actions and note if your words and behaviors are ill-effecting others because of your belief.  But I don't know how you can think adults subscribing to something for the foundation of their lives that is akin to Santa Claus or The Tooth Fairy is harmless.

Would it still be a better, nicer life if a person spent their whole life devoted to something and found out towards the end of their life that it wasn't true?  I'm sure more than a few would be pissed and resentful.

Again, I used to be a Christian, so I can perfectly relate to the brainwashed mindset and "having something to believe in".  And honestly, occasionally I have thought, "Man, it sure would be easier to still be that blissful and naive" when having to deal with some very hard realities of life being pointless and not having anyone to rely on but myself.  But in the end, I'd much rather live my life based on truth, reality, logic, and reason.

Consider what prayers have been answered and ask yourself if those life events could have happened regardless.  Why can't god do anything that isn't humanly or naturally possible?  That is a big thing I realized when coming away from the Christian fold.  You speak of "miracles" that you claim aren't possible without god...well, what are they?  If god will do a few things that aren't possible in our world, then I'll believe!  Pray about that, okay?

Sometimes we get what we want, sometimes we don't...for believers, when things happen to go their way that is god saying "yes"...if things don't turn out, that is god saying "no"...but in reality, it's just "it is what it is".

"I believe the things they have actually proven."  God hasn't been proven.  You just got to have faith.

"Also if it were so true then why do so many scientists not believe the big bang theory?"  It is the best idea right now, supported by heaps of observable evidence, unlike god.  One day there will be enough evidence to confirm yes, X is how it actually happened.  Better be ready to rewrite your Bibles then!

[laceybriglia]

I will be the first to admit that often times I am not a very effective speaker and don't always articulate my thoughts in any comprehensive manner but I hope this answers your question......to a point anyway.

It answered my question. I understand because I too have faith. Honestly that's all I need to know there is a God (or creator.) But for the people who have no faith in God have a hard time understanding why people even believe in a higher being.
I also have a hard time saying exactly what I'm thinking. Sometimes it comes out wrong and I can't describe my point exactly but I try my hardest.

[walksalone11]

I will be the first to admit that often times I am not a very effective speaker and don't always articulate my thoughts in any comprehensive manner but I hope this answers your question......to a point anyway.

It answered my question. I understand because I too have faith. Honestly that's all I need to know there is a God (or creator.) But for the people who have no faith in God have a hard time understanding why people even believe in a higher being.
I also have a hard time saying exactly what I'm thinking. Sometimes it comes out wrong and I can't describe my point exactly but I try my hardest.

The important thing to remember I think is that with each and every one of us, at the end of the day our individual relationships with Creator is a very personal one and I think should be a private one.
Regardless of our ability to find the words to describe the specifics of our relationships to other people....Creator understands exactly where we stand, and personally for me.....that is the only thing that truly matters.

[laceybriglia]

Would it still be a better, nicer life if a person spent their whole life devoted to something and found out towards the end of their life that it wasn't true?  I'm sure more than a few would be pissed and resentful.

This is you're opinion you do not think God is true.  What if god is real? Won't you be pissed and resentful that you have been believeing a lie?
That is how I see it. I think what you believe is a lie. And I think one day you will be resentful for what you believe.  I'm sorry but scientists have no way of figuring out how this world was created. They can make all of the scientific theories they want... and some may even make sense.  I think everyone is forgeting how many scientific theories that sounded absolutely true were proven false. It can sound like it makes sense but that doesn't mean it is true. I know God exists and that's all that matters. You can go ahead and believe that there was a huge explosion and it created earth. I really don't care. The fact is that none of us were there when the universe came into being, so technically, none of us can “prove” what happened. We can't “prove” God did it and the atheists can't “prove” everything came into being on it's own.

[laceybriglia]

The important thing to remember I think is that with each and every one of us, at the end of the day our individual relationships with Creator is a very personal one and I think should be a private one.
Regardless of our ability to find the words to describe the specifics of our relationships to other people....Creator understands exactly where we stand, and personally for me.....that is the only thing that truly matters.

I agree completely  

[liljp617]

This is you're opinion you do not think God is true.  What if god is real? Won't you be pissed and resentful that you have been believeing a lie?  That is how I see it. I think what you believe is a lie. And I think one day you will be resentful for what you believe.

This is all irrelevant and pointless.  The odds that you're correct are just as good as the odds that I'm correct.  Pick your poison, it makes no difference, because you have the same odds of suffering eternal damnation as I do.

I'm sorry but scientists have no way of figuring out how this world was created.

They certainly have a much better chance than someone in the middle of a desert who would be impressed by a wheelbarrow.

They can make all of the scientific theories they want... and some may even make sense.

Enlighten us on which major scientific theories "don't make sense," please.  There's a reason they're scientific theories -- they're backed up by research, evidence, observation, rationality, and logic.  Your view of what a scientific theory consists of is ridiculously ignorant.  I suggest you go research what goes into a scientific theory (it's not the same as the everyday usage of the word "theory").  It's not a random guess...  -.-

I think everyone is forgeting how many scientific theories that sounded absolutely true were proven false.

Name them.

It can sound like it makes sense but that doesn't mean it is true. I know God exists and that's all that matters. You can go ahead and believe that there was a huge explosion and it created earth. I really don't care. The fact is that none of us were there when the universe came into being, so technically, none of us can “prove” what happened. We can't “prove” God did it and the atheists can't “prove” everything came into being on it's own.

Your last sentence is fairly incorrect.